💰 Grifter Devon Del Vecchio / "Dev" / ShortFatOtaku / @sleepy_devo - Degenerate loser, honorary whiteknight for Lilith Lovett, constantly at odds with his own viewers for being a centrist

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Says the faggot who when his government showed they were willing to declare martial law because of honking not only folded, but folded so hard he refuses to even talk about the event.

Canadians are fucking ultranationalists. I know this sounds insane but think about it: they have a level of worship of the state and loyalty to their shithole nation that rivals some fucking WW1 European jingoism and North Korea. A Canadian won't salute the flag or sing the national anthem, but if you even imply that the hated southern neighbour might have a slightly advantage over them they fly into a rage. If you give them a choice between losing a leg to infection or driving to the USA for a cheap private appointment they will chose to lose the leg. They will literally set their own wealth on fire to tarriff American goods in "retaliation" rather than admit they are not doing well economically.

Dev is a perfect example of another aspect of this: the desperate and constant whataboutism and fixation on American politics. Canadians care more about the US than they do Canada, it's crazy. They will ignore their own election but butt in the American ones. They let America set the policy ideas and the subject of the election. They will waste no effort to follow and comment on American politics and can name the governors and senators/congressmen of US states but will be unaware of who they have representing them in their sham Parliament.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
Canadians are fucking ultranationalists. I know this sounds insane but think about it: they have a level of worship of the state and loyalty to their shithole nation that rivals some fucking WW1 European jingoism and North Korea
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Funny thing, I've been watching 90's WWF lately and I'm up to the pre-attitude era where the Hart Foundation are the big heel stable, and when they were in Canada the crowd were absolutley bonkers cheering for the Harts and booing any Americans. Brett's promos were all the same 'muh free healthcare and ugh gun violence' we're still hearing today.
 
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yep im gonna gamble with my life to keep Dev alive. Pick blue guys
 
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yep im gonna gamble with my life to keep Dev alive. Pick blue guys
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Thumbnail your images, nigga.

Anyway, for context, this is a direct rebuke of Arch's recent video on the meme where he explicitly states that yes, picking red IS third-world, in-group behavior, which is why for the good of western civilization you should press the red button because all the browns damn sure will be pressing it, so you being a 'good person' and pressing blue is suicidal empathy.

 
So it is basically the prisoner's dilemma, but explained by Asmongold using a more extreme version of the reward and punishment.
 
Someone in USPG2 said it best, the whole hypothetical is just red button where nothing happens, or the blue button where you are entered into the death gamble.

My perspective is that the hypothetical really isn't anything but a political retard trap. If all it takes for you to hypothetically gamble your life away is the implication you are morally superior for doing so, you're a retard. It's virtue signalling and nothing else. If you're so inclined to gamble, that's your problem if everyone else chooses not to.
 
Tanuki Mixed Nuts said:
Someone in USPG2 said it best, the whole hypothetical is just red button where nothing happens, or the blue button where you are entered into the death gamble.

My perspective is that the hypothetical really isn't anything but a political retard trap. If all it takes for you to hypothetically gamble your life away is the implication you are morally superior for doing so, you're a retard. It's virtue signalling and nothing else. If you're so inclined to gamble, that's your problem if everyone else chooses not to.
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Yeah there is basically no reason to press the blue button.
 
General Emílio Médici said:
I really want to hear his argument on how exactly picking blue would be better long term and how they would make things better.

This leaf is so retarded.
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I'm not saying I believe this. But the argument would basically be that if you press the red button you are saying you have no trust and are willing to kill a lot of people. While killing the blue button means you trust your fellow man and want them all to live.

The problem with the entire thing is that while this could filter for people and there levels of trust, the exact same argument could be made that this filters for retards and people that are unable to model incentives and friend/enemy distinctions in their heads. Simply put the best blue can do is tell you what kind of society you want to live in.

Meanwhile in practice, there's literally nothing stopping everyone from thinking for two seconds and picking red. Or alternatively all the people that hate you picking red and hoping to kill you. Simply put, walk into the Gaza strip and inform them of this deal. Then also inform them that Israel will be doing the exact same deal. By the end of the day every arab will press the red button or risk their local warlord beheading them for not pressing it, not because they are afraid for their lives (everyone will tell you they are ready to die to fight the Jews) but because they are hoping they can wipe out a ton of the people they hate in the process, and if they kill you and everyone you love by accident then that's acceptable collateral.

Blue is what you want, Red is you acknowledging the reality of the world you live in. But he's not smart enough to recognize that.
 
Frag Tag Mini 3 said:
I'm not saying I believe this. But the argument would basically be that if you press the red button you are saying you have no trust and are willing to kill a lot of people. While killing the blue button means you trust your fellow man and want them all to live.
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Let's not kid ourselves, of Dev was presented a button that would kill everyone who voted for Trump he'd sprain his wrist slamming it. He's just concern trolling because most right-wing youtubers are pointing out that pressing blue is suicidal empathy.
 
Frag Tag Mini 3 said:
Blue is what you want, Red is you acknowledging the reality of the world you live in. But he's not smart enough to recognize that.
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The better way to frame it is that the buttons represent group dynamics, namely which of the in-group or the out-group a person favors. This is something that I KNOW Dev's at least knowledgeable of (if not outright talked about), but like clockwork he's not synthesizing that information into his thinking because he wants that Twitter dunk on the rightoids.

As a thought experiment, imagine two American women who are asked to push this button - a white danger-haired liberal and a black progressive. Which one would they press, and why? (I'm spoilering the rest of this post because I want you to think about it first before reading my opinion.)

The white woman is likely to press the blue button, due to years of social conditioning to be concerned with the welfare of out-group members. To her, pressing the red button is the empathetic option, so she has to do her part to save everyone and press the blue button. And because most of these women have Cluster-B personality disorders, they believe everyone else thinks like them, so the danger of death would never cross her mind until it's too late. It also will never cross her mind that her understanding of empathy is wrong, since she will believe it means "caring for the plights of others and feeling their pain" and not "understanding how and why a person thinks the way they do."

The black progressive is likely to press the red button, not out of game theory, but because the black progressive mindset only runs on in-group preferences. Since they only trust other black progressives and drive their political views through the lens of victim culture, she's more likely to assume that everyone else who is NOT a black progressive is out to maximally harm her, which would mean pressing the red button. Since she expects her opponents to press red, she will press red.
Dev's not wrong that picking the red button is the low-trust, third world option. But picking red is also the empathetic option, because doing so requires the understanding that people from low-trust societies are also picking which button to push and using their distrust of out-group societies to drive their choices. If other groups want to harm you, pressing red prevents them from doing that. If other groups vote blue and they die as a result, even better, because you didn't care for them anyway and wanted them dead.

But Dev's trying to "dunk on the rightoids" by trying to call them all low-trust trogs and insinuate that their policies would lead to an increase in third-world policies. Whereas the only thing it really reveals is that his understanding of empathy is that of a danger-haired AWFUL that leads to the implementation of actual third-world bullshit and the destruction of his own country.
 
As simple as the "Red Button vs Blue Button" dilemma is, I still find it facinating as it really does put on display the flaw of suicidal empathy.

Because there is no way to rebuke the Red button without implication of moral misdeed. Because to be clear, pressing the button does not kill blue pressers. It's when blue lacks a majority that it dies. But with no incentive present to push blue, the only means of advocation is to imply that those who press Red only want to watch those that press Blue die. As Dev demonstrates.

Blue only wins when it shames enough people to press Blue.
 
Are we doing the Red v Blue thing? Its obviously red innit? Theres no impact or consequence, its just self preservation. But I get how the Blues think the Reds are selfish for choosing Red. I dont agree with most of the communist rationales for Blue, many internet communists I know had an abysmal take about this, Fredda said society would fall into chaos without the Blues as they might be in key positions, there was one person saying the uneducated and babies would choose Blue so youre effectively killing them. Many shit takes, this dev take was also shit, in a first world society you know most people would choose red so its not third worldism to choose red. Only the retarded suicidal empathy people would choose Blue. Unironically I would love to kill the Blue button people, good riddance.
 
funwithshemales69 said:
Are we doing the Red v Blue thing? Its obviously red innit? Theres no impact or consequence, its just self preservation. But I get how the Blues think the Reds are selfish for choosing Red. I dont agree with most of the communist rationales for Blue, many internet communists I know had an abysmal take about this, Fredda said society would fall into chaos without the Blues as they might be in key positions, there was one person saying the uneducated and babies would choose Blue so youre effectively killing them. Many shit takes, this dev take was also shit, in a first world society you know most people would choose red so its not third worldism to choose red. Only the retarded suicidal empathy people would choose Blue. Unironically I would love to kill the Blue button people, good riddance.
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To play devil's advocate, the blue button does symbolically represent the ideals of society. Many systems of power, government, and even economy hold value and power BECAUSE the majority expect that they do. The entire concept of fiat currency is the idea that people collectively agree that paper has value greater than it would appear. The difference between a 100 dollar bill and a green paper with the number 100 written on it with ink.

These systems only work if people actively participate, but if it were to collapse then those dependent on it suffer immensely. Pressing Red in this perspective is actively abandoning our current systems of society due to a lack of faith with those both running it and supporting it. Resulting in society's collapse.

But all this grand standing shows the flaw in their position. Because while the Blue button can symbolically represents something more, the truth and facts of the scenario is that Blue offers nothing substantial beyond "save those who also pressed blue." This is why the dilemma is a good example of "suicidal empathy" and not an "indicator of faith in society." Because the later has incentives.

For example; yeah, a barter system is safer than fiat money and always has value, but a fiat system allows for larger exchanges and better economics. The risk is still very much present. Those that choose to support fiat currency will find themselves destitute if the currency collapses, but the reward can outweigh the risk.

Meanwhile, the only positive thing that occurs when you press blue is that everyone who pressed blue lives. There's no incentive, it's just taking a risk and making a sacrifice because others also took a risk and made a sacrifice. For nothing. The people who choose to make this question about greater society as a whole, like Dev, are forgetting the fact that there's supposed to be a reason to support it beyond helping those who rely on it.
 
Frag Tag Mini 3 said:
But the argument would basically be that if you press the red button you are saying you have no trust and are willing to kill a lot of people
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I was thinking about this actually. I wondered if a more 1950s expectation would be that people would be far more high-trust and willing to press the blue button (to avoid potentially harming their neighbors), but actually I'm not so sure about that. The red button would still likely be pressed, simply because a high trust society would assume you wouldn't take the gamble. And if you were willing to take the gamble, your choices would likely be as bad in other areas, i.e. the red scare or something similar.

This again falls into "death gamble" or "nothing happens". A high trust society actually gives/has a lot of trust because the assumption is that your neighbors make the right choice. An example would be that I don't lock my doors because I trust that my neighbors wouldn't choose to enter my home without my permission. If you are choosing to make the bad choice, it says more about you than the other person's trust or lack thereof. BUT, if I know my neighbor is prone to poor decisions, my trust is lessened and my empathy for him is subsequently lowered if his bad decisions lead to bad outcomes. I have trust in those that choose like I do, not in those that don't.
 
TLDW: Ruby Ridge Retard chastises red button pushers for having a pessimistic view on the world and maintaining a "third world" mindset. However, RRR would push the red button if he was given the choice, simply becuase he wouldn't want to risk his life over something insignificant like this. RRR thinks blue is the right option, but the prompt needs to be more neutral to get the desired outcome. The last 3 minutes is thinly veiled seething against rightoids.

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