Debi Teter "Jackson", Trans-Parenting.com - Encourages transgenderism in children, Mother of the Kid who was on the Natl Geographic cover.

[NoThanks]

When my three-year-old cousin was told, "you're just a little girl,", she said, "No, I'm not, I'm a (First Name)!" LOL



Eh, most trans people I've talked to knew something was "off" since they could remember. I don't think it's something that happens all at once. However, even if that's the case, there's a difference between say, letting a kid cross dress when they're at home (really, kids like to play dress-up anyways, how is that any different?) and putting them on puberty blockers. If the kid wants to play pretend, and have another "identity" at home, whatever. But having them do it medically yet? Fuck that. We don't let people give their kids tattoos, and you can have those removed. At the very least, wait until they're teens to let them start seriously consider transitioning. (I've talked to people who do have trans teens. They say it's pretty rough, even though they DO support them. It must suck to see your kid go through something like that.)

Plus, if I had a kid who was trans, I wouldn't push him or her out into the spotlight. Not out of shame, but because really, would you want to be known as "That Trans Kid"? Even if the kid IS trans, don't force them to be an activist, either -- they can decide that for themselves too.

Thank you for expressing it better, that's what I meant earlier.
I believe that there are early signs, but that doesn't mean you should put your Kids on medication that strong that early. It seems very risky.
(Especially since there are very, very few clinical studies on what meds to to children. Almost all meds I've seen so far state they're not meant to be given to children below 12-14 years. And I'm talking normal stuff like cough syrup here.)

 

[HY 140]

When i was a kid, i was more concerned about pokemon then my own gender

 

[salt]

It's always the parents pushing their own degeneracy on innocent children in cases of so-called "trans children".

Eh, I don't know about that. I think it only becomes an issue when the parent is using their kid for attention.

Spoiler: Powerlevel

There was a little boy who liked wearing dresses at my church when I still went. His parents were lesbians, but not pushy. Their general attitude was "eh, whatever, let him do his thing." They didn't want it to be a big deal, so we didn't make it a big deal. Eventually, he grew out of it. A+ parenting, IMO.

 

[Catetive]

Eh, most trans people I've talked to knew something was "off" since they could remember. I don't think it's something that happens all at once.

Well that makes sense, but obviously they don't 100% know they are transgender at that time. I'm just saying that transpeople pushing the narrative (either consciously or not) of "I knew exactly what I wanted at age 3" is what gives people like Debi this notion of turning her 4 year old into a #TransGirl immediately.

There's such a low percentage of actual transgender people that suffer from dysphoria. I don't know why these SJW parents jump down their kid's throat with the hormone therapy and puberty blockers as soon as possible. If the kid actually ends up being trans, they can easily have laser hair removal for the hair, or hormone therapy to get hair, and cosmetic changes to transition the rest of their appearance. I'll never be able to understand how people ever justify puberty blockers and hormone therapy on young kids.

Sorry if I'm coming off as an evil bigot, suppose we just have a bit of a difference of opinion on this issue. I do agree with most of your post though - about the appropriate time for medical changes etc.

 

[muh_moobs]

Call it A-loggy all you want but....for fucks sake I wish these wackos would stop breeding.

Congratulations! While this whole thing is nothing to be happy about, take solace in the fact that guaranteeing that Avery will become sterile, and grooming her other son to be a peter-puffer, this woman's genetic lineage has ground to a halt, and it has done so entirely though her own engineering.

 

[Count groudon]

I like to believe the "totally supportive grandparent" plays along with the gender shit when the mom is around, but then takes the kids out for burgers and lets them go fishing and play catch and shit when she's gone. It's like the only comforting thought I can find in all this bullshit.

 

[Michel]

ITT: No one knows what Powerlevelling is, actual powerlevelling and people thinking that prefacing your powerlevel and/or spoilering it makes it ok.

 

[sourrascal]

I'm sick of people who think that puberty blockers are totally reversible. They shouldn't be handed out like candy.

 

[repentance]

I'll never be able to understand how people ever justify puberty blockers and hormone therapy on young kids.

The issue is that as a theoretical course of action it makes intuitive sense and there's no actual evidence specifically against it. The reason there's no actual evidence against it is because these kids are literally guinea pigs. Our knowledge of what puberty blockers do to kids comes from a different age group and different underlying issues. It can't just be extrapolated to a totally different situation, and it will likely be decades before we can say either "well that was a bad idea" or "this is a valid course of action given longitudinal outcomes".

People just want easy solutions and in the absence of evidence of immediate harm they will go with whatever "experts" (actual or self-styled) recommend, especially when a course of action is being promoted as "potentially life-saving" (which is exactly how transition at the earliest possible opportunity is marketed).

I'm sick of people who think that puberty blockers are totally reversible. They shouldn't be handed out like candy.

In paediatrics in general, they're not handed out like candy - thank goodness. The whole "gender medicine" industry is something of an outlier.

 

[Sadcake]

I knew a kid who wanted to be an apple when she was 4.

There is a reason kids aren't allowed to vote or enter contracts. Kids aren't equipped to make decisions like identity that early.

 

[muh_moobs]

When I was in the first grade, I spent a few weeks pretending that I was a Tyrannosaurs full-time. Sure is a good thing that wasn't taken seriously, or else I'd have been paraded off to the surgeon to have my arms amputated and my hands reattached to my nipples.

I've never understood people who think this is appropriate to do to their children.

 

[knux]

Kid decided at 4 it was transgender? I feel it was more likely that the mother decided at that time she preferred to have a daughter. Instead of having another child, she just turned her son into a daughter. I worry for the child's future.

 

[Foltest]

To believe that this was absurd comedy back in the 70s.

 

[AnOminous]

It can't just be extrapolated to a totally different situation, and it will likely be decades before we can say either "well that was a bad idea" or "this is a valid course of action given longitudinal outcomes".

I think we can definitely say "this is a bad idea" right now. Not because we know for sure that it is, but specifically because we DON'T. It's an unnecessary medical experiment that on its face looks like a bad idea because something that has seriously adverse effects in adults can't possibly be good when done on children during a core developmental period.

So unless there's a diagnosed, specific condition that is going to cause more harm than the potential harm caused by just pumping some kid full of untested, off label hormones, and there's a medical reason for doing it, just doing it for the sheer hell of it to humor some degenerate fetishist parent is child abuse.

 

[JULAY]

I think we can definitely say "this is a bad idea" right now. Not because we know for sure that it is, but specifically because we DON'T. It's an unnecessary medical experiment that on its face looks like a bad idea because something that has seriously adverse effects in adults can't possibly be good when done on children during a core developmental period.

So unless there's a diagnosed, specific condition that is going to cause more harm than the potential harm caused by just pumping some kid full of untested, off label hormones, and there's a medical reason for doing it, just doing it for the sheer hell of it to humor some degenerate fetishist parent is child abuse.

It is quite obviously a bad idea, as the case of thalidomide, and numerous other disastrous medical "treatments" or fads teaches us.

More generally, changing the gender of a child can go horrifically wrong, as the case of David Reimer, which is really our only available evidence on transitioning children indicates.

Transtrenders don't care, for them, this is a way to increase their numbers. It's kind of like Shakers and their practice of adopting children to increase their numbers, since they were celibate. Which continued right up until the legal system outlawed adoption by religious groups instead of individuals. They don't give a single fuck about what happens to these kids, they only see the potential benefit for them as a "community", and thus try and push the idea that it is legally and morally acceptable to let pre-pubescent children decide what gender they actually are with no real frame of reference.

 

[repentance]

So unless there's a diagnosed, specific condition that is going to cause more harm than the potential harm caused by just pumping some kid full of untested, off label hormones, and there's a medical reason for doing it, just doing it for the sheer hell of it to humor some degenerate fetishist parent is child abuse.

This is exactly *why* the pro lobby has been so aggressive in promoting gender confusion as a medical condition (while simultaneously claiming that it's not an illness and shouldn't be pathologised) and "gender affirming" interventions as the only valid treatment. They have quite literally redefined "medical need" on the basis of extremely flimsy evidence and feel good, untested, theories.

It sounds like experimentation because it *is* experimentation, but you can get away with a lot if you drape it in the cloak of "medically necessary treatment".

It also has implications for the use of puberty blockers in "non-trans" children and the potential to see their use continued beyond or initiated at later ages than those at which they're currently used. You're going to get parents wanting them prescribed because they don't like the fact their little girl is growing up and don't want to deal with adolescence if they can delay it a few years.

 

[VenomPlug]

Some trans people have very naive and irresponsible views on hormone blockers:

Oh boy, this shit. I like how the first thing coming from the kid is "My Doctor bla bla Hormone Blockers bla". Shouldn't kids have childhood? Have fun, play with friends, go outside, do sports, learn basic relationships, be free? No, I'm too afraid about this nasty thing in my pants, instead of fun I'd rather have medical plan, hormone injection and a psychiatrist. What a great start. Same shit with Avery. How is this better than 'CIS Scum'? Have a non-functioning dick, no being able to have orgasm and procreate because 'I'm speshul'? Spend money on meds and doctors instead of your life? And how's it going to end, life full of physical and mental torment. Cos, sadly, we are shaped to be humans, not some weird half-men half-women. That's what Avery is going to be: half. Never a whole. Don't get me wrong, nothing against grown up transgender people who made their choice because they legit suffer. But when the choice is taken away from you, and 'transition' is forced down your throat, it's going to be a fucking disaster.

 

[melty]

Lmao at the "trannies suck because I thought I was a horse" tag. It's 8 pages in and people are still kids are stupid and can't make decisions. Where is the lolcow content? Does say dumb stuff on twitter?
I am kind of curious how easy it is to get puberty blockers for kids. Is this actually a thing now or are people just reeeeing?

 

[Jaimas]

Lmao at the "trannies suck because I thought I was a horse" tag. It's 8 pages in and people are still kids are stupid and can't make decisions. Where is the lolcow content? Does say dumb stuff on twitter?
I am kind of curious how easy it is to get puberty blockers for kids. Is this actually a thing now or are people just reeeeing?

Don't worry: We're going to have a lot more on this particular cow very soon. There's a lot to cover.

 

[Brit Crust]

This whole forcing transgenderism on helpless children is absolutely haram.