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Do You Support The Death Penalty?


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In my opinion it should be reserved to cases where the guilt it really straighforward proven and when the especially violent crime was the goal itself.
I mean when people rob a bank and end up in a shootout where they kill a bunch of people- they should get life without parole because their original inted wasn't to kill people, which puts them morally way above serial killers who set out with the specific goal of killing in the most gruesome way.
 
Yeah I miss when people were motivated by fear of death or violence. Bear with me because it can be a "slippery slope" as the libs say. But remember when you couldn't shoplift a store without getting your ass kicked? That doesn't happen anymore. Used to be you would be killed when you murder someone too.

If you commit first degree murder, I believe you should get the death penalty. Crimes of passion are often circumstantial, but premeditated murder is always pure evil.

Furthermore, I believe getting caught with a large amount of narcotics with the intent to distribute or sell should be the death penalty. We need to put the fear of god into these soulless vultures and put them to death for poisoning our country and children. Sadly we are moving towards the opposite where drugs are decriminalized in most major cities.

Rape of minors and adults should also be punishable by death, but in the case of adults the suspect should be first charged without a shadow of a doubt, with DNA evidence, evidence of violence and forced entry. The things that rarely are tested and proven in modern day MeToo stories. I could be convinced otherwise on this being too harsh or too hard to prove, but I believe death is a good deterrent for these animals.
 
It’s a shiny object wedge issue that affects maybe less than 100 people a year in the US. It’s so irrelevant. And I am sorry to dismiss the subject despite posting in the topic but that’s all I have to say.

The whole “hyuk hyuk pro life but pro death” thing is now hilariously irrelevant when you realize they are against humane executions of vicious murderers but for the abominable dismemberment of children and call it healthcare.
 
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The threat of the death penalty is necessary for deterrence. Generally speaking though I believe the state should be working more toward reform and building a better society over retribution.
 
I don't support it because there's no good reason to use it anymore. Why should we prefer death over just locking someone up and making them hammer out license plates all day?

Worst case they're innocent and they can be later released, best case they're guilty and you got years of productivity from them. If you kill someone innocent you can never right that wrong.

The death penalty is archaic.
I say yes under the condition that there is no legal immunity
That means that if someone is wrongly killed, congratulations, executioner, jury, judge, and prosecutor are guilty of murder
I think this would be the only case where I could support it. There should be a real threat to the people issuing such a punishment that if they get it wrong they're completely fucked.

Subjecting an innocent person to death should at minimum result in the total destruction of their careers.
The threat of the death penalty is necessary for deterrence.
Yet America has higher incarceration rates and significantly higher rates of crime than countries without it.
 
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People have a natural right to protect themselves, using lethal force when necessary, so it reasonably follows that use of lethal force is a power that we may delegate to the governments we create.

In terms of theoretical bases for systems of governance and what powers a government may legitimately excercise, "the death penalty" is less offensive to reason than, say, taxation.

But calling it "the death penalty" upends the relationship between governments and the people who create them. The government is not your dad and is in no position to be "punishing" you.

The primary rationale for considering government justified in harming a person it not punishment, revenge, deterence, rehabilitation, restoration, etc. It is separation.
And the function of separative justice is to preclude the criminal from committing further crimes against free society and its members for the duration of the criminal's sentenced separation from free society.

The discussion of what crimes or offenses we permit the government to claim justify harming a person (i.e., what laws we create to define what the government can claim as justification) is a separate topic, but when you understand that the form of the harm the government is permitted to commit should be thought of as separation from free society, a death sentence is just a logically consisten extension of that separation to indefinite/permanent duration.

All that said, it's also reasonable to hold the position that governments are not trustworthy enough to be delegated an authority to sentence a person to a separation from free society of permanent duration; so even if the theoretical basis may be sound, you can still oppose it as a matter of practice.

Though if a fallible government taking life of an innocent person is something you find significantly worrisome, taking a whole life all at once (via execution), taking a whole life one day at a time (via imprisonment until death), or taking life only partially (via a sentence of fixed duration) all raise this concern.

There's also some irony when people who are so concerned with the government taking the life of an innocent person found guilty by mistake also point out that sentencing someone to death by imprisonment is much cheaper than sentencing someone to death by execution... since the former skips all the very expensive checks and doublechecks to ensure the State isn't taking the life of an innocent person.

Handwaving about how an innocent person sentenced to death by imprisonment COULD still be released if exonerated ignores that they probably won't be. Did you know that you can have your filings to appeal rejected without consideration on the basis of "timeliness" after as little as three years into a life sentence? It's not that your appeal is without merit, they don't know/care if your appeal has merit or not (that's what "without consideration" means), it just took too long to figure out how to properly file the paperwork. Maybe you've spent those three years repeatedly filing to appeal and having them rejected on technicalities... you used 8.5x11 letter-sized paper, not 8.5x14 legal-sized paper; it was hand written, not typed; your margins were too small; your font wasn't large enough; it needs to be double-spaced; it was insufficiently concise, keep it to one sheet of paper; you didn't cross all your t's and dot all your i's; et cetera.

If only you, dear innocent person, had been sentenced to death by execution, then you'd still have legal counsel to make sure you didn't keep having your filings rejected for dumb reasons. Also such rejections without consideration due to technical deficiencies may not be allowed at all. Also, also, you get a mandatory appeal.

And then people will tell you that, in addition to saving all that taxpayer money by not making sure whether the person is innocent, execution is a merciful release compared to the ongoing suffering of spending every day locked in a cage to Think About What You've Done.

Which is, BTW, a very non-criminal way of thinking. A non-criminal finds a potential death sentence to be a deterrent because they think about how they don't want to be sentenced to death. A criminal does not find a potential death sentence to be a deterrent because they think they won't get caught. Or if caught, won't get charged. Or if charged, won't be prosecuted. Or if prosecuted, won't be found guilty. Or if found guilty, won't be sentenced to death. Really, that "death sentence" boogeyman is some way-off thing that won't happen until after you've eaten breakfast at least. And what if you didn't eat breakfast?
 
Strongly oppose.

Setting aside that it is an obviously breach of "Cruel and Unusual" ask yourself, do you trust your Government with the ability to execute people?
 
For those of you who keep repeating the question, "Do you trust your government with the ability to execute people?", I want you to consider that state-level government and federal government are two very different things.

Do I trust my local government with the ability to execute people? To an extent, and until I'm given reasonable cause to no longer trust my local government.

Do I trust the federal government with the ability to execute people? Of course not.

Would you rather we subject offenders to mob rule instead?
 
Death penalty is appropriate and necessary. Some people give up their right to live with their actions. Society (we live in) must be able to appropriately punish such people. Deterrence, vengeance, irrelevant. Murder a child, murder a public official, murder for hire, mass murder, serial murder, a few other things, the people who do them simply do not deserve to, and should not be allowed to, live any longer. Put them in the ground
 
Would you rather we subject offenders to mob rule instead?
I have thought that it could be interesting to have some crimes result in The Golden Sentence. As you have done unto others, so it may be done unto you without consequences to the perpetrators.

I.e., if you're found guilty of murdering someone, this revokes the State's delegatsd authority to act on your behalf if someone kills you, since by your choices and actions you have demonstrated you believe the act is acceptable.

I'm kind of curious what that society would look like.

It is an obviously breach of "Cruel and Unusual"
The 8th Amendment prohibition of "cruel and unusual punishment" does not prohibit merely cruel punishments nor does it prohibit merely unusual punishments. It prohibits only punishments that are BOTH cruel AND unusual.

Death sentences are not unusual for a variety of violent crimes.
 
I think we should give it a shot, at least do one big purge to get rid of everyone currently in jail and then after that we can decide if we want to keep going with it.
 
From a preventative perspective, is it more or less likely to inhibit crime? I think that's the important question when I think about it. Some criminals might prefer death to life imprisonment. Maybe the solution is doling it out on a case-by-case basis, if they wanna live then kill them.
 
From a preventative perspective, is it more or less likely to inhibit crime? I think that's the important question when I think about it. Some criminals might prefer death to life imprisonment. Maybe the solution is doling it out on a case-by-case basis, if they wanna live then kill them.
Prevent crime? I just don't want to pay for a lifetime of healthcare if the convict in question is absolutely guilty beyond a super shadow of doubt. Mass murderer whose crime was witnessed by many people or who confesses to the crime with evidence only the murderer could know? Kill him. Kill him now. Send him to the gallows. I've the noose right here.
And what if you didn't eat breakfast?
But I did eat breakfast.
 
Prevent crime? I just don't want to pay for a lifetime of healthcare if the convict in question is absolutely guilty beyond a super shadow of doubt. Mass murderer whose crime was witnessed by many people or who confesses to the crime with evidence only the murderer could know? Kill him. Kill him now. Send him to the gallows. I've the noose right here.
But what if he wants your noose instead of a lifetime in the nigger rape dungeons?
 
But what if he wants your noose instead of a lifetime in the nigger rape dungeons?
But what if I want to save money by forever ending his need for insulin, dental care, and gender affirming make-up? Those things don't pay for themselves you know!
 
But what if he wants your noose instead of a lifetime in the nigger rape dungeons?
We shouldn't be rewarding niggers by giving them fleshlights that we then have to house and feed for decades while also housing and feeding the niggers.

Setting up a building where faggots rape each other is so extremely over-the-top gay its beyond anything in Sodom & Gomorrah, all these fag facilities (prisons) should be nuked from orbit.

I questions the heterosexuality of someone who gets off on the idea of a building where faggots rape each others asses thousands of times a day. Prisons are basically P Diddy Freak Off parties and everyone in them should be killed.

Kill them all. Nuke them all from orbit. No more faggots.

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But what if I want to save money by forever ending his need for insulin, dental care, and gender affirming make-up? Those things don't pay for themselves you know!
Inflicting maximum suffering prevents crime, that's a good use of taxpayer funding.
 
...what does "cruel and unusual punishment", mean?

The 8th amendment in the US was inspired by what happened to Titus Oates and the goal was to prevent the state from literally torturing its enemies to death.

The founders of the US didn't envision an America that would completely dominated by Jews and their pilpul that interprets any and all consequences and cruel and unusual.

We shouldn't be rewarding niggers by giving them fleshlights that we then have to house and feed for decades while also housing and feeding the niggers.

Setting up a building where faggots rape each other is so extremely over-the-top gay its beyond anything in Sodom & Gomorrah, all these fag facilities (prisons) should be nuked from orbit.

I questions the heterosexuality of someone who gets off on the idea of a building where faggots rape each others asses thousands of times a day. Prisons are basically P Diddy Freak Off parties and everyone in them should be killed.

Kill them all. Nuke them all from orbit. No more faggots.

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Prison rape doesn't happen anywhere near as much as fat Amerimutts and Jewish directors like to think it does.
 
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