DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Incecticyder]

The Boys, as bad as they get, typically stay away from hurting innocents, Butcher’s later decision is potrayed as wrong, insane and indoes everything they do. Their show version are much dumber and less competent but by and large, the ones they go after deserve it.

The Boys had too many expies. Too much mocking of what others made to stand on its own and certainly not for long.

The Authority never back down and think, they are self-righteous retards made up of an actual british whore, an anarchist q literally can’t ever touch grass, a Berkeley nudist who was fully willing to murder the only healthy LI she ever had in the series, a faggot ex-soldier whose entire schtick is compensation, a faggot who got raped by aliens and got powers from it. Who despite his might always jobs, a drug addicted burnout with too much power and a chinky bird-woman who is the least-developed. All of them are actually low-iq reactionaries with the sole exception of Engineer but she’s a follower and has no original thoughts whatsoever. All the types that would fit in with the exaggerated “New Breed” characters that Supes and the gang locked away in KC.

The Authority is like a joke they expect others to take seriously. Like "The Room". People mock and laugh at it and the creator thinks he made high art or a good point.

He wipes the floor with them, calls Apollo an idiot and overdoses him, the only actual threat on the sun itself (Apollo is a solar battery, not a reactor like Supes), the rest pose no threat. Eventually the idiots wound him and the end-result is the fags and their “daughter” getting vaporized.
That’s the fate of the OG Authority, killed by Captain Atom and their shitheel reality rebooted.

Honestly, Captain Atom is that kind of hero done right. Often he is split between following orders and doing what is right. That is how it should be with that kind of character. Conflicted but still heroic.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Oh yeah...wasn’t Captain Atom supposed to be Monarch at one point? Then they panicked and rewrote it ‘cause too many readers guessed it in advance. Like yeah no kidding.

 

[UnKillFill]

Oh yeah...wasn’t Captain Atom supposed to be Monarch at one point? Then they panicked and rewrote it ‘cause too many readers guessed it in advance. Like yeah no kidding.

I honestly don't know what comic you guys are talking about, but they should have made him *The* Monarch.

Nobody would have seen that coming.

 

[Disastrously Dumb]

curious on people's thoughts here.

what are your opinion on James Gunn and cast doing a podcast every episode of PEACEMAKER?

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Oh yeah...wasn’t Captain Atom supposed to be Monarch at one point? Then they panicked and rewrote it ‘cause too many readers guessed it in advance. Like yeah no kidding.

DC freaked the fuck out as they had shit tier OPSEC at the time as Monarch's real identity was leaked. Confirming what the readers had guess, since DC had been extremely obvious what their opinion was of Captain Atom for several years up to that point. Using Hawk from the rebooted Hawk & Dove* was the ass pull from no where and total character assassination.

*OG Dove was male.

 

[Incecticyder]

Honestly, the hate for Captain Atom by DC is baffling to me. There is nothing about him that is truly worthy of hate. He is not a bullethead that obeys every order or a musclebrain that attacks first instead of thinking/talking or an egomaniac that lords over others with his power. He is just a bloke who made mistakes but learned and is trying to do what is best for others with the powers he has been given.

His fights vs The Wildstorm universe prove it best. He is trying his best to make sure no one dies and they try to kill him for it. That is the problem with this kind of "heroes". They make the harsh decisions even a less harsh one would wield better results. They try to kill Captain Atom to prevent the end of the world even when killing him also cause the end of the world. They die trying to attack him after they damaged his containment suit after he warned them that killing him would backfire. He is the only one trying to save them and they, due to always having murder on the brain, fail to realize it and die.

 

[Your Starter for 10]

what are your opinion on James Gunn and cast doing a podcast every episode of PEACEMAKER?

It's less time for him to make TV shows and movies, so I'm all for it.

 

[Newcomer 42]

His fights vs The Wildstorm universe prove it best. He is trying his best to make sure no one dies and they try to kill him for it. That is the problem with this kind of "heroes". They make the harsh decisions even a less harsh one would wield better results. They try to kill Captain Atom to prevent the end of the world even when killing him also cause the end of the world. They die trying to attack him after they damaged his containment suit after he warned them that killing him would backfire. He is the only one trying to save them and they, due to always having murder on the brain, fail to realize it and die.

Checked and skimmed that book for fun. Not only the 'Ry go out of their way to an alternate reality to kill nazis for fun (and then they drop Hitler in front of Cap to let him finish him), they also use arguments that the left would later use during the 2010s and beyond (the comic is from 2006). Then reality is resetted after a certain character plainly states that this reality has become too violent for sane people, kek.

And yeah, they were exceedingly violent. I might be misremembering, but I swear the team wasn't that bad back when I read a bit about them.

Changing topic, I read the Batman the not-Kamen Rider, Batman Immortal IIRC. The first issue barely explains much, but it's pretty much same deal with usual, with a sci-fi bent. Too early to tell.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Honestly, the hate for Captain Atom by DC is baffling to me. There is nothing about him that is truly worthy of hate. He is not a bullethead that obeys every order or a musclebrain that attacks first instead of thinking/talking or an egomaniac that lords over others with his power. He is just a bloke who made mistakes but learned and is trying to do what is best for others with the powers he has been given.

He wasn't one of DC's created superheroes as they got him during their acquisition of Charlton Comics. Which in of and by itself doesn't explain their hatred of him. Years or decades ago someone had put up online the real reasons to the hatred but I just don't remember what they were.

 

[Incecticyder]

Checked and skimmed that book for fun. Not only the 'Ry go out of their way to an alternate reality to kill nazis for fun (and then they drop Hitler in front of Cap to let him finish him), they also use arguments that the left would later use during the 2010s and beyond (the comic is from 2006). Then reality is resetted after a certain character plainly states that this reality has become too violent for sane people, kek.

Honestly, I do not mind the fact that they fight Nazis (actual Nazis as opposed to a mildly conservative dude that does not want his kids raped by a They/Them). My issue is that they are just violent assholes that travel to other dimensions in order to feel like badasses by abusing their powers. They did not fight Hitler because it was moral, they fought him because they wanted to feel morally superior to someone and serial killers have been in short supply (at least as far as those outside the Authority go).

He wasn't one of DC's created superheroes as they got him during their acquisition of Charlton Comics. Which in of and by itself doesn't explain their hatred of him. Years or decades ago someone had put up online the real reasons to the hatred but I just don't remember what they were.

I mean, they also acquired Shazam and they made movies with him.

 

[Halbschwanz]

They keep basing him on real guys who lack the strength Lex has and it never works because of it.

Luthor is the Nietzchen übermensch to Kent's moral er, Superman. They're meant to be mirrors of each other. A writer who doesn't respect Supes similarly will not write a compelling Lex. Add onto the fact that the current servitor class of the media industrial complex is firmly of the belief that bad guys should never be able to be cool ever lest it make the protagonists (read: vehicles for their worldview) look stupid or disagreeable. So because their heroes have to be snarky theater queers who have no principles beyond "heckin decent human being-ism," the only opposition that doesn't make them look completely retarded are nitpicking nepo babies. Snyder has the same issue except instead of prog politics he's closer to a god-modding teenager in a freeform chat roleplay trying to make sure everyone knows how extra cool his OC (Batman donut steel) is by draining the wits from every other character.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

OPSEC

I remember one time on QVC the company rep blew that none of the Reign Of The Supermen were Supes OG

 

[Humble Architect]

I remember one time on QVC the company rep blew that none of the Reign Of The Supermen were Supes OG

I love that, it’s the ultimate fuck off to legacy characters.
They even had Eradicator (the best one) drop the line, “There is only one Superman.” In the movie version.

 

[Incecticyder]

Luthor is the Nietzchen übermensch to Kent's moral er, Superman. They're meant to be mirrors of each other. A writer who doesn't respect Supes similarly will not write a compelling Lex. Add onto the fact that the current servitor class of the media industrial complex is firmly of the belief that bad guys should never be able to be cool ever lest it make the protagonists (read: vehicles for their worldview) look stupid or disagreeable. So because their heroes have to be snarky theater queers who have no principles beyond "heckin decent human being-ism," the only opposition that doesn't make them look completely retarded are nitpicking nepo babies. Snyder has the same issue except instead of prog politics he's closer to a god-modding teenager in a freeform chat roleplay trying to make sure everyone knows how extra cool his OC (Batman donut steel) is by draining the wits from every other character.

Nietzsche's übermensch was not evil though. He is supposed to be untethered by what society considers good but he still does good. He might agree with society on morals some of the time or even all of the time but he does it because he came to that conclusion on his own.

Imagine society telling you what is moral and what is not as a GPS and a good deed is finding a restaurant: The übermensch is someone who decides to forgo using the GPS and find a restaurant on his own. In fact, the decision to find a restaurant in the first place was his own. He might go to the restaurant that the GPS would have told him to go, he might even have taken the same route the GPS would have told him to take but he wouldn't know or care. He never turned it on. He navigated morality on his own, without guidance or help.

Lex Luthor is, in most continuities, too shaped by society and others to qualify as übermensch. He is either abused by his parents and that becomes a key part of who he is and/or envies Superman and people's reaction to him. Especially the latter as he treats it as a popularity contest. The übermensch would not care about Superman beyond the fact that he gets i his way from time to time, Lex is envious of his popularity with the masses though.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Add onto the fact that the current servitor class of the media industrial complex is firmly of the belief that bad guys should never be able to be cool ever lest it make the protagonists (read: vehicles for their worldview) look stupid or disagreeable.

Extra points if the villain is accidentally right and makes the heroes look like psychotic morons. See RWBY with Ironwood. That's probably why lately villains have become impersonal or hyper cartoonish.

 

[Incecticyder]

Extra points if the villain is accidentally right and makes the heroes look like psychotic morons. See RWBY with Ironwood. That's probably why lately villains have become impersonal or hyper cartoonish.

Even if they try to make the villains irredeemable, they fail. Look at Wish: Magnifico was supposed to be mad with power but he ended up being the only one who was reasonable and went mad when his successor decided to be absolutely reckless with unlimited power.

Imagine going through trial and error to learn which wishes threaten to destroy everything and which help only for your successor to grant the wishes of Jack the Ripper, Gil de Ray and a certain Austrian painter with dreams of going into politics just as readily as she grants the wish of Tom the guy who wants a successful toy store and Lucy who wants to master the piano.

Seriously, they put no thought into their arguments anymore.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Even if they try to make the villains irredeemable, they fail. Look at Wish: Magnifico was supposed to be mad with power but he ended up being the only one who was reasonable and went mad when his successor decided to be absolutely reckless with unlimited power.

Imagine going through trial and error to learn which wishes threaten to destroy everything and which help only for your successor to grant the wishes of Jack the Ripper, Gil de Ray and a certain Austrian painter with dreams of going into politics just as readily as she grants the wish of Tom the guy who wants a successful toy store and Lucy who wants to master the piano.

Seriously, they put no thought into their arguments anymore.

"yOu'Re JuSt RaCiSt AnD hAtE wOmEn."

 

[TheAmbiguousLurker]

Her main focus was on her Starfire series

Getting ripped apart in Apocalypse War is gonna end up being respectful compared to how they ruin her, isn't it?

• How they created their villains was taking a subset of core aspects from the character previously, discarded the rest, then translate the parts they kept through a different lens. For example, with Livewire, they took 2 major aspects, her electrical powers and her lack of care for the well-being of others, and then just changed it to be a psycho mercenary to make it fit in smoother with the Task Force X plot. With Monsieur Mallah and the Brain, they liked the gay MLM relationship they had going, but wanted it to be a more positive representation, so they turned them into a more good natured, but amoral couple instead of their normal villainous characterization.

"We adapt characters by boiling them down to the most surface level components and then making them gayer."

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Imagine going through trial and error to learn which wishes threaten to destroy everything and which help only for your successor to grant the wishes of Jack the Ripper, Gil de Ray and a certain Austrian painter with dreams of going into politics just as readily as she grants the wish of Tom the guy who wants a successful toy store and Lucy who wants to master the piano.

Seriously, they put no thought into their arguments anymore.

The worst part is neither do their viewers even think of the arguments or know there is an argument being told at all. As they just go with being told the protagonist is automatically right and anyone else daring to suggest the protagonist might be wrong are to be ignored or are the antagonists.

 

[Newcomer 42]

Look at Wish: Magnifico was supposed to be mad with power but he ended up being the only one who was reasonable and went mad when his successor decided to be absolutely reckless with unlimited power.

I liked how his reaction was understandable but he escalated to 100 immediately because EVIIL!

As they just go with being told the protagonist is automatically right and anyone else daring to suggest the protagonist might be wrong.

The protagonist was a black woman. That character type has the most plot armor and relevance ever no matter the show she's in, having more than "regular blacks" if these are around. Niggressess cannot be evil characters as well (unless there are multiple, perhaps?), as that would be racist or something, no matter how nonsensical they are.