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Well, he wanted to wreck the Fortress of Solitude anyway and apparently has been tracking it for awhile
Except he didnt wreck it. He left it intact enough within a day or two it was backup like nothing had ever happened.

Personally I took it as Lex going there for other things and rather he just happened to find this. It wasn't really part of his plan yet, he just saw an opportunity he couldn't pass up. However, that raises an entire question of why he didn't do that AFTER opinions of Superman were already in the gutter to really seal the deal, but I guess by that point he got what he wanted anyway and there was no need.
The way its presented in the movie Lex only went there for blackmail material which so conveniently was handed to him on a silverplatter.

Also the full message being real I thought was bullshit. Maybe im retarded but it seemed really really really dumb some rando "experts" on Earth could verify the authenticity of alien communications. "Theyve confirmed it" dialogue seems like such a dumb way to get that across if it was.
 
Also the full message being real I thought was bullshit. Maybe im retarded but it seemed really really really dumb some rando "experts" on Earth could verify the authenticity of alien communications. "Theyve confirmed it" dialogue seems like such a dumb way to get that across if it was.
TRUST THE EXPERTS, LITTLE GOY!

I did love the scene where everyone is shiddin and crying because Superman is actually evil because it made me think of something along the lines of:

"leftists when Superman says he doesn't believe in trans rights."

It just fit too well.
 
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It’s Father Hennessy! :lol: Glad to see the big man getting gigs again, but what really stuck with me is how the new Kents are just unapologetic Appalachian holler-dwellers, and they have never even heard of Canada. A bold choice, and I respect it.
 
Ultraman being in this film means there's probably no Earth-3, which is a shame.

I plan to see it on less-than-legal channels, but I'll give it a fair shake and watch some of the previous Superman films before discussing it.
What an absolute fucking waste of a character. I love Owlman alongside the rest of the Crime Syndicate but this won't really work now since they already used the Ultraman name.

Why couldn't they have him be Bizarro? They can just bring him up in the next movie where he's a mutated simpleton.
 
What an absolute fucking waste of a character. I love Owlman alongside the rest of the Crime Syndicate but this won't really work now since they already used the Ultraman name.
I don’t think Ultraman’s inclusion means the Crime Syndicate is off the table; it’s just that they’re clearly not a priority.

Owl Man's been done already in Crisis on Two Earths, which fans revere like Heston in The Ten Commandments, so there’s no real upside to revisiting it. Also, Owl Man isn’t showing up until Gunn decides Batman exists, and given the current pace, we’ll all be dead first.
 
Why couldn't they have him be Bizarro? They can just bring him up in the next movie where he's a mutated simpleton.
That was one of my biggest gripes about the movie, it felt like it could've done alot more.

Bizzaro feels wasted, the rift feels kinda wasted.

The movie was fun, but could've been so much more.
 
That was one of my biggest gripes about the movie, it felt like it could've done alot more.

Bizzaro feels wasted, the rift feels kinda wasted.

The movie was fun, but could've been so much more.
They could’ve even used his New 52 designation which became his name, B-0. Since this is New 52 Bizzaro and seemingly, a New 52-style world where Hawkgirl can do what she did and not get thrown in prison by Supes (which he would do)
 
They could’ve even used his New 52 designation which became his name, B-0. Since this is New 52 Bizzaro and seemingly, a New 52-style world where Hawkgirl can do what she did and not get thrown in prison by Supes (which he would do)
Idkkkk, new 52 kinda fucking garbage when it comes to writing.

They butchered my boy the question, but I trust your judgement.
 
Idkkkk, new 52 kinda fucking garbage when it comes to writing.

They butchered my boy the question, but I trust your judgement.
I don’t like it either, I like Clark to be a based boomer with funny nightmare woman and not ambiguously Asian with a shitty haircut, collared armor, a cuck or an actual idiot.

New 52 sucked cock, but the Gunnverse is wearing the trappings of it, specifically Grant’s Superman run and the edgy heroes being tolerated and not thrown away into a super-prison.
 
I don’t like it either, I like Clark to be a based boomer with funny nightmare woman and not ambiguously Asian with a shitty haircut, collared armor, a cuck or an actual idiot.

New 52 sucked cock, but the Gunnverse is wearing the trappings of it, specifically Grant’s Superman run and the edgy heroes being tolerated and not thrown away into a super-prison.
I feel only hawkgirl fits, considering even in the justice league animated series, she's made it clear she'd put down people beyond redemption.

As for green lantern, he'd have his ring taken away really fucking quick.
 
Also the full message being real I thought was bullshit. Maybe im retarded but it seemed really really really dumb some rando "experts" on Earth could verify the authenticity of alien communications.
TRUST THE EXPERTS,
I'll reneg on this if the chick from Arrival shows up in Superman & Friends (2027) and tells them all the recording is fake and people are morons for trusting "experts" they never met.
 
I saw it, the biggest surprise for me was Nicholas Hoult's performance since out of everyone in the cast, I had the lowest expectations for him since I have seen movies with him before and the worst type of character he played was the scumbag foodie from The Menu. Did not expect him to get that into it that he practically stole every scene he's in.

Looking forward to see what more will come of his Luthor and career in general.
 
The way its presented in the movie Lex only went there for blackmail material which so conveniently was handed to him on a silverplatter.
Yeah because Lex Luthor, supergenius, having got into the Fortress of Solitude, would only steal some blackmail material instead of stealing all the Kryptonian tech too and then completely destroying the place. There's suspension of disbelief and then there's modern scriptwriting
 
Some of my normie friends saw the new Superman movie, and all of them hated it.

And my comic book reading friends who saw it hated it even more.

The biggest complaint I'm hearing is that it's an overstuffed, convoluted, and boring mess with constant unfunny jokes.
My parents saw it and hated it.

Dad said the plot was too confusing/strayed too far from the lore (he didn't like the Jor-El twist), Mom said it was too dark (cinematography wise)/cgi was bad/she couldn't follow what was going on.
 
Finally saw Superman!

Summing up my thoughts, it was a fun, albeit dumb superhero flick that most general audiences will enjoy. As a Superman film, it is pretty bad, feels like a sparknotes adaptation of Superman that “gets” the character, but not enough to write him that well. A lot of dialogue feels like it is ripped straight from this thread and how we describe Lex and Superman, but is coming out of the characters in a manner that feels completely inorganic. As for the other Leaguers, they are sort of just there, mostly adding some fun comedy or action.

Describing the film itself, it is poorly paced and a lot of things are left to assumption. It is very obvious that cuts were made as the film felt like it skipped the entire second act, leaving the last hour to be a bunch of set pieces and fights that just sort of happen. A big issue for me is Superman’s relationship to the Justice Gang. I honestly cannot figure out what there relationship is as we get one scene of them disagreeing, then they all completely turn on him, yet they are said to be friends that he trusts? His relationship to ma and pa Kent, along with his Kryptonian parents is also rather confusing and poorly developed as others have stated here.

Going back to the dialogue complaint, that ending with Lex was painful. Lex basically summing up his character in front of a room of people with no hint of irony was…a choice. Same goes for Superman stating he is more human. These feel like Wikipedia descriptions, not something either character would actually say. Lex would never admit jealousy, especially not out in the open, he would always bullshit up some sort of justification.

Describing Superman, he was fine. The trailers definitely made him out to be more emotional than he was in the film. In saying this, part of him just feels off. He lacks a sort of grounding in the film, coming off a little too passive and weak. I wish we got something more along the lines of STAS’s Superman and Lex meeting, rather than Superman throwing a tantrum. Him flying out the window and coldly threatening Lex would have been have been more in character while still making him look like a threat.

Lex was pretty atrocious. Holt is good with what he’s got, but it doesn’t feel like Lex. Lex leaves way too much evidence against himself for me to think he is as cunning as other Lex adaptations. He also has access to way too much for a first outing. My suspension of disbelief ended once the world was being ripped in two, no way Luthor would be dumb enough basically end the world, Lex usually keeps his bullshit on the down low or in a way it cannot be linked back to him. It would have made for a better story if the plot created a situation in which Lex completely avoided jail.

Plot was a mess that tried to link the heroes to real world consequences but completely gave up in the last half. While they imply a shift (as meta humans get involved) at the end, no consequences really get shown. I guess the US is completely okay with the murder of a leader of a US ally nation? Lex is given another land development plot that they try to BS at the end as it was all about him wanting to kill Superman, but it was so rushed that who cares…


As a final note for now, holy shit Gunn. How the fuck did you get away with the blatant Israel-Palestine conflict, and having it be extremely anti-Israel at that. Don’t tell me it wasn’t, having a white US ally nation invade a nation of mystery meats that are shown as completely defenseless is a little on the nose, don’t you think? No wonder Fox News and Ben Shapiro were shitting themselves over this film.

Film may be a mess, but I have to give Gunn some credit for being this ballsy as to portray not-Israel as the bad guys and have Hawkgirl kill not-Netanyahu.
 
Film may be a mess, but I have to give Gunn some credit for being this ballsy as to portray not-Israel as the bad guys and have Hawkgirl kill not-Netanyahu.
I thought the fake Borisnia (?) country was supposed to be a parody of Russia? The evil president sorta looked like Gorbachev.
 
I thought the fake Borisnia (?) country was supposed to be a parody of Russia? The evil president sorta looked like Gorbachev.
I would have thought that, but they explicitly state the warring country is a US ally, which throws a wrench in the Russia comparison. Also, it is literally a white nation gunning down one filled with brown people, which is not what Russia/Ukraine is.

Might be misremembering, but I believe the map of the two countries were more along a coast line, which is closer to Israel and Gaza.
 
Is Batman 89 still the best example of an origin movie that doesn't focus on the origin?
 
Saw it, I was expecting worse but I have a lot of issues with it.

Firstly, I was in a theater FULL of black people and they were quiet the entire time. While better for my viewing experience I think it's damning to the entertainment quality of the film. However, they were very vocal in Captain America 4, so maybe that's not a proper metric.

Overall, I think the movie is a giant mess with bits here and there that I liked. It felt like watching half of a CW Capeshit show, but like Season 3 or 4 where they had their shit together on the main characters, but the character bloat was starting to become noticeable.

  • I fucking HATE Jor-El and Lara sending Clark to be a tyrant. Completely unnecessary to the plot, the whole movie I kept expecting them to correct that. That Kryptonian language is very complex or something, but not they just left that as his origin.
  • Jimmy Olsen actually being a ladies man while not looking particularly handsome is like a funny gag, but when it's a critical plot point and essentially all of his characterization in the movie it's just distracting.
  • I liked Lois, she was probably the least cunty Lois ever put to film. I think she had good chemistry with Clark.
  • Mr Terrific was good(reminded me of Hawkman and Dr Fate being the only interesting parts of Black Adam), Guy Gardner was ok, Hawkgirl was a gag essentially.
  • I didn't like Clark killing Ultraman. They had a perfectly easy set up for that where Lex is controlling him like a robot, just have him be a body that he's remote controlling that isn't alive. Could be a good set up for Cyborg Superman too if they wanted(barring him being thrown in a black hole)
  • Both Clark and Lex have moments of good characterization muddle up with bizarre awful takes. Lex is worse, I agree his tech level is just absurd for an introduction. Clark is better overall, but there is still times where he just acts weirdly.
  • The Makeupistani conflict started out good, Clark having conflict with acting where he has the power to stop harm, and that conflicting with the real world grayness of situations at the start is great. And then it loses all nuance and it becomes a paramilitary force crushing a bunch of homeless people that just live standing in a gravel pit. Hawkgirl just murdering President Borat felt like the punchline to a joke that wasn't told.
  • I liked Supergirl in The Flash. Maybe it was just a drowning rat grabbing on to a piece of trash that floats, but I thought she gave a great performance and had character. This Kara feels like it's trying to capture what vapid people like about Slut Harley Quinn.
 
Is Batman 89 still the best example of an origin movie that doesn't focus on the origin?
Yes. it's either that or if you really like the Matt Reeves Batman movie, maybe it. People would also throw Spider-Man Homecoming in that conversation but I think that Peter Parker is too much of a departure for that to be it.

For my money, it's still '89.
 
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