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For wanting to right the wrongs of Synder, they really are following him to a T.

Yep, Superman 2 is now going to be a Batman/Superman adventure because how can Superman go without Batman.

Sounds promising...now how are they going to screw it up?
Written by Tom King, based on his run where Miracle is a depressed loser trying to escape his family.
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Tom King does this impressive thing where literally every single thing he has ever written has moments in a vacuum that I would straight up call absolute brilliance, surrounded by the worst superhero comic book you've ever read.

I have no idea how he does it in every last thing he writes, but he does it. It baffles me that someone could "get it" better than almost anyone working in the industry, while simultaneously not getting it at all in the slightest, usually in the same issue about the same character he had do or say something genius for them to, directly followed by them entirely out of character and doing or saying things that break everything about said character with no logical reason to.

I think he's one of those guys that shouldn't be allowed near material in continuity at all, and needs a hardcore tard wrangler. his writing style itself is also simultaneously super pretentious, but super juvenile. idk really he needs to be a guy who does nothing but say shit like "hey there should be a line where riddler does this/wouldn't it be cool if penguin's goofy schemes were recontextualized like this/etc" and then someone else who can actually write something good says thanks ill write that, please do absolutely nothing else but give me little in a vacuum moments and I'll do the story and the actual dialogue because you can't at all and you're going to try to add twists that are terrible.
 
Tom King does this impressive thing where literally every single thing he has ever written has moments in a vacuum that I would straight up call absolute brilliance, surrounded by the worst superhero comic book you've ever read.

I have no idea how he does it in every last thing he writes, but he does it. It baffles me that someone could "get it" better than almost anyone working in the industry, while simultaneously not getting it at all in the slightest, usually in the same issue about the same character he had do or say something genius for them to, directly followed by them entirely out of character and doing or saying things that break everything about said character with no logical reason to.

I think he's one of those guys that shouldn't be allowed near material in continuity at all, and needs a hardcore tard wrangler. his writing style itself is also simultaneously super pretentious, but super juvenile. idk really he needs to be a guy who does nothing but say shit like "hey there should be a line where riddler does this/wouldn't it be cool if penguin's goofy schemes were recontextualized like this/etc" and then someone else who can actually write something good says thanks ill write that, please do absolutely nothing else but give me little in a vacuum moments and I'll do the story and the actual dialogue because you can't at all and you're going to try to add twists that are terrible.
His stuff is so abhorrently bad it's unreal. Seriously, maybe he does have a hidden talent, but his work is so bad I'd rather he kept it hidden.

I'm shocked DC is allowing this cuckold to work with them despite barely dodging a lawsuit last time due to him.
 
His stuff is so abhorrently bad it's unreal. Seriously, maybe he does have a hidden talent, but his work is so bad I'd rather he kept it hidden.

I'm shocked DC is allowing this cuckold to work with them despite barely dodging a lawsuit last time due to him.
that's the weird thing with him is the final product is always absolutely terrible and usually a story that goes absolutely nowhere and it feels intentional like a fuck you after wasting your time with a bunch of shit that seems to be set up but ends up just being there.

I've just been reading a lot of comics lately and went through most of his dc stuff and it's all the exact same reading experience. and in all of it there's a random exchange, or moment or something that I'll be like god damn I wish that was in something where it worked, and it will be undermined sometimes directly in the next panel and it sort of makes it funny.

His dialogue in particular is egregiously terrible and I talk like a sailor or whatever but it's actually difficult to read pages of stuff he writes because of censored curse words. I don't understand why dc doesn't put his shit out in black label or just ask him to stop putting $!*&%$ 4 times per dialogue balloon. It's either that or bad melodramatic soap opera dialogue. like fuck dude, do you talk like that in real life?
 
Honestly, have a question for the thread. If you were to handle the DC Universe, how would you go about it? I have honestly been thinking through how I would set up this universe, more importantly Superman and Batman, but am curious as to how others would create a cohesive DC world. I find that in thinking about it, I come up with too much as DC has so many characters I would want to have roaming around.
Despite Gunn being a total hack, I understand the desire to jump in with obscure and unorthodox characters. But it's optimal to get the trinity out the way first. From there I would go with a REAL Flash movie, an Aquaman cast as blond, and Red Tornado (maybe wedge Martian Manhunter in there, or even Shazam to actually face Mr. Mind), all carefully setting up a first JL film where Starro gets the respect it deserves instead of being shitty SS fodder. Only when that's all stable would I dive into autistic B-lister stuff. Killer Moth and the Misfits series. Warlord, Kamandi and Bumblebee each get animated shows. Nightwing movie (maybe animated, Spider-Verse style). Something with Blue Devil.
 
Despite Gunn being a total hack, I understand the desire to jump in with obscure and unorthodox characters.
I think the best idea would be to just have the obscure characters be their own team. Justice League International is one of the most loved DC teams for being a collection of nobodies + Batman & Martian Manhunter. After the first JL film, they can have Maxwell Lord set up his own league. From there just have International show up and be their own comical group of losers that end up having the most heart of any of DC's films - like Guardians of The Galaxy.

They don't even need to necessarily stick to the comics, just have a team of dipshits like Booster Gold, Blue Beetle (Ted Kord), Green Lantern (Guy Gardner), Fire & Ice, Red Tornado, Plastic Man, The Question, Huntress, etc.. Basically, all those random DC characters that always seem to appear in cartoons like Brave & The Bold, JLU or JL Action.

The DC universe definitely needs these types of characters, so doing an International style team can make it easy to just cram a bunch in, while allowing the big hitters some room to breath since all the main leaguers and then some should be getting trilogies exclusive to them.
 
something that lives rent free in my brain is if I ever made a Batman movie, there'd be a big '66 tv show homage that would basically be Dick strung out on some mixture of bad guy drugs like Scarecrow toxin and Joker gas.

It would be bright, loud and goofy and basically be like that scene of hit girl in the apartment in Kick Ass but he'd be crippling not killing bad guys, have those weird angles the 66 show always filmed action from and henchmen in name tags and little goofy shit like that.

something I've never seen anyone mention about the TV show I've noticed since I was a little kid, is Robin is fucking vicious compared to Batman and it's hilarious. The show never focuses on him during action, but Batman will just be throwing punches and in the background Dick is always picking up chairs and breaking them over bad guys heads, and beating them with the arms of the chairs and kicking them while they're down and shit.

Of course it's always still poorly choreographed and looks ridiculous, it's just funny because he's always using random objects as weapons and beating the fuck out of people, compared to Batman who will do like the same punch and weak kicks and they'll drop but robin is back there throwing tables and beating people with chairs, pots, signs from the wall, whatever, and they'll be down and he'll be on top of them still. it's a wonder that Batman ever managed to presumably defeat anyone before he had Robin's crazy ass drafted into his silly war on the local gotham goofballs
 
something I've never seen anyone mention about the TV show I've noticed since I was a little kid, is Robin is fucking vicious compared to Batman and it's hilarious. The show never focuses on him during action, but Batman will just be throwing punches and in the background Dick is always picking up chairs and breaking them over bad guys heads, and beating them with the arms of the chairs and kicking them while they're down and shit.

Of course it's always still poorly choreographed and looks ridiculous, it's just funny because he's always using random objects as weapons and beating the fuck out of people, compared to Batman who will do like the same punch and weak kicks and they'll drop but robin is back there throwing tables and beating people with chairs, pots, signs from the wall, whatever, and they'll be down and he'll be on top of them still. it's a wonder that Batman ever managed to presumably defeat anyone before he had Robin's crazy ass drafted into his silly war on the local gotham goofballs
Glad 03 was able to continue Robin’s legacy of being a vicious psycho:
 
It was funnier how Harley was forgiven and joined the side of the good guys because she left Joker. She was partially responsible for nuking Metropolis, if only by guilt of association, but eh, that's in the past.
She did the surgery on Lois to wire the detonator into her and sprayed Superman with the gas; she's a bit more than guilt by association. Like, Joker's the one who made the plan, but she's the one who pulled the trigger.
Nightwing movie (maybe animated, Spider-Verse style).
Honestly, if you wanted to go for an introduction movie to a DC universe that already has a lot of history, Nightwing would be a great vehicle for that.

He's the dawn of a new era, a walking manifestation of the setting developing and not clinging to the status quo where nothign is allowed to change, he's already been raised by Batman and watched Bruce go from Adam West to Michael Keaton, he's already got Superman as an uncle, some major Batman characters like Alfred are dead by now from old age and the like, major supervillains have actually stayed in prison for a few years between capers instead of getting out next week, he's already led a team of young heroes, he has a shit ton of connections across the entire superhero gallery and drops tidbits about past adventures, and you could have his transition into Nightwing as a representation of the setting bridging the divide between different tones/genres of other heroes.
 
this applies to comic book adaptations in general, but I remember reading years ago Jim Starlin is on record somewhere that KGBeast being a bit part in Batman vs Superman WB gave him more money than Disney did for being the creator of Thanos.

Now I'm one of those insufferable nitpicking faggots who will watch a Batman movie or Spider-Man movie, and when there's any new character in some other characters mold, or filling in a role I'm always complaining they don't just name them that person. I'm probably the only person on the planet who had a complaint about the Dark Knight that I was irritated they didn't call that Hispanic cop who sells Gordon to Two Face Renee Montoya.

Now, I would have complained because they made her do something out of character but that's irrelevant. Anyways I bring this up to say, I wonder if why various roles like a mayor or a cop character or a coworker or something don't just have a recognizable or even Easter egg level character name in these things, because of rights deals and to avoid paying a creator x amount of money for using their randomly named and irrelevant or pet character that only existed in their run person to get name dropped in a movie.

Just food for thought
 
more money than Disney did for being the creator of Thanos.
tbh Thanos is an old enough character that I assumed Starlin got the princely sum of jack and shit each time Purple Scrote (Marvel) shows up in things, so a royalty payment of some nachos would probably outdo whatever Disney gave him
 
tbh Thanos is an old enough character that I assumed Starlin got the princely sum of jack and shit each time Purple Scrote (Marvel) shows up in things, so a royalty payment of some nachos would probably outdo whatever Disney gave him
Yeah, that's also true and relevant too, but Ed Brubaker is always pissed they gave him like $1500 for Winter Soldier in the movies and stuff. Granted I wonder about the provisions of that too, because he didn't create Bucky he'd been there since day 1.

I guess I'm mostly just wondering if they can never name some random character after the comics much because they'd have to give some has been $150 and a discount coupon for an early bird special and they can't be bothered.
 
Bros... we were robbed of Baykino.
At least Micheal Bay would’ve gotten us a Superman costume that looks good on screen. Along with good looking special effects. Transformers 2007 CGI still shockingly looks great.
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Because Ezra Miller was sucking off some producer at Warner Bros, it's why he got all those roles despite being hated by everyone and being a convicted criminal.
Ezra felt like Hollywood panic-hiring a new Johnny Depp after the original started slowly mummifying in public.
Let’s be honest. Ezra Miller wouldn’t get away with half the shit he does if he wasn’t a Jewish tranny.
 
something I've never seen anyone mention about the TV show I've noticed since I was a little kid, is Robin is fucking vicious compared to Batman and it's hilarious. The show never focuses on him during action, but Batman will just be throwing punches and in the background Dick is always picking up chairs and breaking them over bad guys heads, and beating them with the arms of the chairs and kicking them while they're down and shit.

Of course it's always still poorly choreographed and looks ridiculous, it's just funny because he's always using random objects as weapons and beating the fuck out of people, compared to Batman who will do like the same punch and weak kicks and they'll drop but robin is back there throwing tables and beating people with chairs, pots, signs from the wall, whatever, and they'll be down and he'll be on top of them still. it's a wonder that Batman ever managed to presumably defeat anyone before he had Robin's crazy ass drafted into his silly war on the local gotham goofballs
You start by saying Dick, but what you describe sounds more like Jason Todd. I know you must have seen the live-action Titans show because you're you. I thought it was an interesting first season, Starfire aside, but the show got more unpleasant than I enjoy quite quickly. Anyway, it absolutely has Robin the way you describe.


And no, for anyone who is wondering, Robin is not mind-controlled and they're not crooked cops who are really criminals or anything like that. He's just a psycho in the show.

I guess I'm mostly just wondering if they can never name some random character after the comics much because they'd have to give some has been $150 and a discount coupon for an early bird special and they can't be bothered.
The pay gap I'm interested in and would love to know - though this is a Marvel one - is how much the stuntperson playing Task Master got paid compared to the actress who played the character. Because she has something like two lines in the entire Black Widow movie and the vast majority of the time she has the mask on and is actually being played by the stuntman. I'd just love to know how their pay compares.
 
You start by saying Dick, but what you describe sounds more like Jason Todd. I know you must have seen the live-action Titans show because you're you. I thought it was an interesting first season, Starfire aside, but the show got more unpleasant than I enjoy quite quickly. Anyway, it absolutely has Robin the way you describe.
yeah it's actually kind of funny in those terms, because the 1960s show sort of has him more in line with what Jason was by the time we got him, but exclusively during fights. The rest of the time he was goofy ass Dick Grayson cracking jokes and just enjoying himself. It really is hilarious, it's like a totally unintentional show within the show, that Robin is just a psychopath. I'm serious watch any compilation of fights from that show and watch Robin, he does 20* as much damage as Batman ever does.

I know I'm probably the only person on the planet who felt this way, but I overall liked the Titans show as a weird ass elseworlds thing. I felt that Dick's characterization while not what I would want out of that character, worked for the most part. and the show was at times so mean spirited and edgy try hard throughout the run I just thought it was entertaining.

My biggest issue with it was there was no fucking world I would buy that old actor playing Bruce was still suiting up as Batman every night. It had a lot of other problems that were really stupid narrative choices, but again it was so weird I sort of liked it. Not what I would of made. Nor something I'd recommend probably, but it played fine for me. Once we got to Under the Hood and Scarecrow was just a stoner guy smoking joints in Arkham Asylum I got to a point the show was so absurd I couldn't be mad at it. We also got a good Krypto the Super-Dog in it even if he barely did anything.

On the subject of Jason, it's kind of weird how popular Red Hood is, that in the animated movies he's only in a tiny amount of them. but maybe it's because I hang out with and talk about Batman predominantly with generic black dudes so the concept of "Batman but with guns" or "Robin but he kills guys" is more appealing to those dudes, maybe I'm overselling his popularity. I'm not a big red hood guy but he has his place but outside of his starring movie from 15 years ago, and Arkham Knight, outside of the comics he has very little footprint.
 
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