DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Someone else gets it.

Wonder Woman is, at the end of the day, a Superhero(ine). She is like Superman and Batman as someone who does not kill. Even more so than them if anything, due to her being framed as "all-loving" and her non-lethal weaponry in the Lasso of Truth. At MOST, you can have it that as a "warrior" she's like Captain America being explicitly a "soldier", but if anything that makes their no-killing rule even STRONGER for them to symbolically obey - they moved on from being one who has to kill to one who has the power NOT to. That includes her becoming a far-more-effective "warrior" than anyone else alive by being THAT GOOD A FIGHTER - IE, she became even BETTER than her "warrior" days - to disarm and take them down with just her training and Lasso without needing to kill them. Because she's no longer a warrior, she's now a superhero.

I always maintain Wonder Woman's default persona should be "serene" to Superman's "confident" and Batman's "stoic" and it would really aid in re-routing her back to the no-kill aspect. Can't have a hardcore barbarian queen if she's in complete understanding and control of herself and the situation.

It's not just that, Wondy's entire shtick is "saving the world through love" and stuff. Yeah, it sounds gay and cringy but that was the general intent and also the reason why so many members of her traditional rogues' gallery ended up getting redeemed. And if you don't believe me, just read up on Marston's beliefs where he genuinely thought that women were all compassionate and loving creatures that could bring peace to the world if they were in charge. So if anything, Wonder Woman should be the least likely of the trio of her, Superman and Batman to actually resort to violent means but they always make her one of the first to start considering lethal measures. There's a reason that her weapons - lasso, tiara and bracelets - are all designed for defensive and non-lethal means.

Not to mention having her as some kind of hardened warrior basically defeats the entire purpose of DC's Amazons as despising "Man's World" for being violent and unhinged and Diana going into the outside world specifically to spread the ideals of peace and love. You can't really do that effectively carrying around a sword and shield to hack apart people, it sends some mixed messages if you ask me.

As for Supes and Wondy, it's fine in some cases but not in others. DC writers seem to love to flirt with the idea of the two having unresolved sexual tension but utterly shit the bed whenever the two of them actually get together. I personally wouldn't mind a Superman film where Lois ISN'T the main love interest for once, Man of Steel had the perfect opportunity to do a childhood romance with Lana Lang but then just dropped it for Lois.

 

[el bandito loco]

Wait? Is that true about CW Supes being a virgin up until his wedding night?

100%. I only remember because I laughed out loud at it and my woman walked through and asked what was so funny and saw I was watching a Superman thing and went "nevermind I don't want to know, I have shit to do tonight" to get out of listening to me ramble about Superman like I do.

She doesn't mind Superman is my one autism level thing, but she'd prefer I keep that shit to my fortress of drunkitude in my office room of the house and not bother her about it. Which is fair, I don't want to fucking hear about Scooby Doo and how some Indian bitch raped her childhood either.

Speaking of women I've lived with and my Superman shit the funniest thing I encountered with anything like that is when Justice League came out my ex surprised me with like early tickets. and when we left the movie we got in the car and she said 'you hated it didn't you?' and before I could answer she said 'I want to know why they made the flash a little faggot' which had me dying because we'd been together years and I'd never heard her ever say faggot or even anything that told me she even paid any attention to any of those movies after she watched them.

It's been a decade and I too, am still wondering why they made the flash a little faggot.

 

[The greater a'tuin]

an actress who in interview said that she fantastised about raping people and that if there were some Purge-like suspension of law that's what she'd like to do

No way Anna Akana is that crazy...

 

[Overly Serious]

100%. I only remember because I laughed out loud at it and my woman walked through and asked what was so funny and saw I was watching a Superman thing and went "nevermind I don't want to know, I have shit to do tonight" to get out of listening to me ramble about Superman like I do.

She doesn't mind Superman is my one autism level thing, but she'd prefer I keep that shit to my fortress of drunkitude in my office room of the house and not bother her about it. Which is fair, I don't want to fucking hear about Scooby Doo and how some Indian bitch raped her childhood either.

Speaking of women I've lived with and my Superman shit the funniest thing I encountered with anything like that is when Justice League came out my ex surprised me with like early tickets. and when we left the movie we got in the car and she said 'you hated it didn't you?' and before I could answer she said 'I want to know why they made the flash a little faggot' which had me dying because we'd been together years and I'd never heard her ever say faggot or even anything that told me she even paid any attention to any of those movies after she watched them.

It could be worse than dating women who don't share your Superman obsession. Imagine if you were dating a woman who did. You'd be all "Injustice was a flawed premise" and she'd be all "actually it works because _______ and there's precedent in _____ and also...". Trust me - you're better off living with a woman who tolerates it than a woman who is as into it as you are. You'd inevitably disagree on points and think less of each other for it.

No way Anna Akana is that crazy...

I assume sarcasm, but for general edification of the thread, here's her interview. For bonus points, the guy interviewing her is actually her boyfriend and you can see him get increasingly uncomfortable as it goes on. And I believe they split up not long after that.

Also, got to be concerned that she says her rape fantasy is about how it lets her assert power over somebody. Much like ruining their career with tweets lets you?

 

[Idiotron]

It's been a decade and I too, am still wondering why they made the flash a little faggot.

Because Ezra Miller was sucking off some producer at Warner Bros, it's why he got all those roles despite being hated by everyone and being a convicted criminal.

I have no evidence of this but that's 100% the reason.

 

[Newcomer 42]

My point was that the premise of Injustice is absolutely ridiculous because it wouldn't make him crazy. Batman's retarded nonsense about killing would make him become a habitual killer doesn't apply to Superman and the reason evil Superman is always retarded is because the writers are pea brained dumbshits who can't fathom the idea of a character putting someone down without them being bloodthirsty.

Fair, it was an excuse for Supes to be a villain, and I get that. Injustice 2's writing is even worse though.
Also, I remember reading about some DC fans genuinely believing that once a hero kills a villain, he will not stop... And that's a problem because...?
Half of Gotham's villains deserve the chair, although I would argue some cases aren't that bad (ie: Two-Face, who depending on the writer is more tragic victim than supervillain).
atman murdering a bad guy would continue to fuck with him and drive him nuts. If Superman did it, he'd be upset he had to do it but he'd be back to business as usual after and just hope he doesn't have to again, but if he has to, it is what it is. It's like a (good) cop or soldier who's put into an impossible situation. If they aren't brain broken by the event or already nuts it doesn't make them start randomly murdering random people.

Speaking of which, didn’t Lex hand Joker the nuke that levels Metropolis in this timeline? So how is Superman buddies with Lex in Injustice? Are there are two different Lex Luthors in that universe?

Lex became good because... Can't recall.
It was funnier how Harley was forgiven and joined the side of the good guys because she left Joker. She was partially responsible for nuking Metropolis, if only by guilt of association, but eh, that's in the past.

KC Supes will always be the best “fallen” Superman, he failed hard and his inaction led to two disasters. But he’s still the same character, he doesn’t overnight become a villian, he gets a bit tyrannical and maybe crosses some lines but it makes sense and you can see Superman aging into this bitter recluse who’s in denial.

Agreed, it has a cool fight with Captian Marvel and the art is spectacular. Shame it will never be animated.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

KC Supes will always be the best “fallen” Superman, he failed hard and his inaction led to two disasters. But he’s still the same character, he doesn’t overnight become a villian, he gets a bit tyrannical and maybe crosses some lines but it makes sense and you can see Superman aging into this bitter recluse who’s in denial.

I think there is a certain version that worked a bit better:

Honestly, I think there is DCAU had the best progression of Superman becoming a misguided dictator. While it is never fully shown the downfall of this version, we can assume events played out relatively the same as prime DCAU Supes, which creates one of the strongest bridges from Superman to the villain. There was no one event that made Superman give up, but rather a series of escalation from the world governments and Lex that lead him to take up the reigns. (Also, I like that this is a bad Superman that isn’t tied to the Joker, makes it feel way more original).

I find the catalyst for the downfall way more compelling. Having the system Superman fights for completely turn on him to the point where his arch-nemesis is the president and publicly executed his teammate on the White House lawn has to be the ultimate shot in the heart. Lex eroded all faith in the law Superman had and was likely going to start a World War III had Superman not killed him. Of course, killing the elected official of the largest nation in the world basically doomed the JL to be forced to go down the path they did.

We're not going to agree on this and I know that at the outset. But I'm going to offer a different opinion here. The Injustice comics were very well done in taking what they were required to do - make an "evil" Superman - and pulling it off convincingly. There's more than one true take on Superman and the circumstances in the comic were more than Superman kills someone "in the line of duty". Joker sets it up not only that Lois Lane dies but that it's Superman who kills her. And he doesn't kill Joker in the line of stopping him. He kills him afterwards out of revenge. Nor does he go from that to insta-evil. It begins very small with Superman deciding he needs to be more pro-active in preventing crime and death. He doesn't leap across the line in a single bound, he takes a small step over it. And everything that follows, follows in the reverberating feedback that begins with this transgression; every extra step creating every bit more resistance. It's because of what Batman knows but Superman loses site of: It's not that you killed someone. It's that once you make the decision that's okay, there isn't any logical stopping point.

The problem with Injustice is that all the majors players are extremely out of character and hold varying morality throughout the series. I know I spoke about it earlier in the thread, but will do so again. Superman would not have been the issue he was if the universe was anywhere like the actual DC universe it portrays itself as being.

Batman in Injustice is prime turbo-douche Batman. He barely allows Clark to grieve before giving his high-horse speeches. Bruce overall just seems to abandon Clark because muh Jonkler, when he realistically should be helping him. Makes even less sense when he goes on about saving lives, then recruits Harley Quinn and forgives her for aiding in nuking a city and killing his best friend’s wife.

Wonder Woman is a giga bitch that only cares about Super cock. I think everyone has gone off on this Diana as one of the most out-of-character adaptations just to make her the main reason for Superman to fall.

Hal and Barry bitch, but ultimately relegate themselves to the cuck chair every time. Barry is especially egregious as he will prattle on about how the world may deserve this fate, making any of his arguments void since he refuses to actually do anything.

The Kents are alive, yet allow their son to be what he is as they too relegate themselves to passive observers over everything.

I will actually defend the movie adaptation as it genuinely seemed to want to fix these issues, but in doing so highlights how much that would break the narrative. Killing Flash was a good call, it removes the heart of the team, but comes at the cost of a cheap death. Killing the Kents off was also a good call. WW and Batman are more in character, but by making them so, the plot can’t actually happen.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Because Ezra Miller was sucking off some producer at Warner Bros

I have no idea how Ezra Miller ever had a career. Leto may be a hack but at least he has Fight Club to point at.

Ezra felt like Hollywood panic-hiring a new Johnny Depp after the original started slowly mummifying in public.

It was funnier how Harley was forgiven after nuking Metropolis

I always took it as DC trying to half-ass their own version of Deadpool, but they also want Harley to cry in the rain or whatever.

 

[Idiotron]

Leto may be a hack but at least he has Fight Club to point at.

Leto's movie career makes perfect sense.
He has a rock band that has a huge female following.
Movie producers think that those fangirls will all pay to see his movies.
That kind of worked for Suicide Squad but never before or since.
Still, it's understandable on a corporate level.

 

[Humble Architect]

Justice Lord Superman also had one thing really going for him

That costume, merging elements of Superman Beyond with design ques from the Eradicator was brilliant. This is the best “Evil Superman” look.

Justice Lord Supes being the same man as DCAU Supes was also a nice touch, same emotions, same life and the same failures, finally pushed over the edge by that one, single variation of events.

He was the highlight of the Beyond comics, fully devolved and long-past the point of no return.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

 

[King Metalia]

Justice Lord Superman also had one thing really going for him
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That costume, merging elements of Superman Beyond with design ques from the Eradicator was brilliant. This is the best “Evil Superman” look.

Justice Lord Supes being the same man as DCAU Supes was also a nice touch, same emotions, same life and the same failures, finally pushed over the edge by that one, single variation of events.

He was the highlight of the Beyond comics, fully devolved and long-past the point of no return.

Id love to see DC do more with the Justice Lords in the future. If I'm not mistaken they are officially part of the multiverse now. Also yeah their costumes in particular Lord Superman's are sick.

 

[Mayor Cody Travers]

I'm aware it was brief but Justice Lord Flash's costume was a ripoff of Reverse-Flash's - did we ever get a Justice Lord Hal Jordan or Aquaman anywhere? Show, comic, etc.?

 

[The greater a'tuin]

The masses spit in his face and prop up a vigilante sociopath. Any man, super or not would say “fuck it” and leave, he wanted to rip Joker apart and play hopscotch with his spine, that’s human, that’s Clark, he consistently has entertained the fantasy of unleashing his wrath on his worst foes. Lois spent her last moments being his anchor, one last time.

Mark Waid made a comic called Irredeemable, and it has perhaps the best take on this kind of heroic atrophy. Basically Falling Down with Superman.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I'm aware it was brief but Justice Lord Flash's costume was a ripoff of Reverse-Flash's - did we ever get a Justice Lord Hal Jordan or Aquaman anywhere? Show, comic, etc.?

They only did Lords versions of the main 6 Leaguers from the DCAU, so Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl and Green Lantern (Stewart).

Flash is questionable as it was an Android replica of Lords Flash. We never actually see the Lords version of Flash. Pretty sure he never dawns that outfit even in their universe. Also it won’t make sense as they don’t become Lords till after his death.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=RyHEvDusigI

Not really feeling Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor to be honest but maybe it's just a showcase of his worst scenes.

 

[Cactuar King]

They only did Lords versions of the main 6 Leaguers from the DCAU, so Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Martian Manhunter, Hawkgirl and Green Lantern (Stewart).

Flash is questionable as it was an Android replica of Lords Flash. We never actually see the Lords version of Flash. Pretty sure he never dawns that outfit even in their universe. Also it won’t make sense as they don’t become Lords till after his death.

Yeah, they all had their original costumes before they became the Justice Lords. There's some pretty nice fanart of Justice Lord Flash though.

 

[el bandito loco]

Not really feeling Nicholas Hoult as Lex Luthor to be honest but maybe it's just a showcase of his worst scenes.

Yeah, I'm really shocked because as down as I've been on this movie he was the one casting thing I thought was great, but I can't put my finger on it specifically but his line delivery is terrible!

okay I've seen enough of it in motion to be sure now, that suit is the worst live action superman suit yet.

and why the FUCK do all the shots of the crowds and people still look cheap and like a cellphone commercial??

at least the action looks better than the prior trailers, but it still kind of looks like when the CW did action scenes and tried to look like Man of Steel and it looked cheap and shitty.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

Yeah, I'm really shocked because as down as I've been on this movie he was the one casting thing I thought was great, but I can't put my finger on it specifically but his line delivery is terrible!

okay I've seen enough of it in motion to be sure now, that suit is the worst live action superman suit yet.

and why the FUCK do all the shots of the crowds and people still look cheap and like a cellphone commercial??

at least the action looks better than the prior trailers, but it still kind of looks like when the CW did action scenes and tried to look like Man of Steel and it looked cheap and shitty.

Honestly most of the dialogue delivery feels flat. The guy playing Superman is 50/50 on whether he delivers something with some passion or really horribly.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Warner Bros. Animation and DC Studios Order Adult Animation Series ‘Mister Miracle’​

The show is based on the Eisner Award-winning comic from Tom King and Mitch Gerads.

Warner Bros. Animation and DC Studios have greenlit Mister Miracle, an adult animated series based on the 12-issue Eisner Award-winning comic from writer Tom King and artist Mitch Gerads. King is executive producer and showrunner on the series, which is currently in production.

Mister Miracle marks the second adult-oriented animated project from Warner Bros. Animation and DC Studios, following Creature Commandos, the James Gunn-created series is currently in production on its second season for HBO Max. Other recent animated series orders from DC Studios include Starfire!, My Adventures with Green Lantern, and DC Super Powers.

The new series follows Scott Free, the world’s greatest escape artist, known to the world as Mister Miracle, whose perfect life with his warrior wife Big Barda falls apart when their two home worlds — Apocalypse and New Genesis — go to war and Scott’s cruel adoptive father Darkseid appears to have captured the ultimate weapon, the Anti-Life Equation, that will give him total dominance over the universe.

As the mountains of bodies on both sides grow ever higher, only Mister Miracle can stop the slaughter and restore peace. But the terrible power of the Anti-Life Equation may already be at work in his own mind, warping his reality, exposing his long-buried pain, and shattering the fragile happiness he’s found with the woman he loves.

The boilerplate for Mister Miracle describes the show as a “harrowing, hilarious, heart-wrenching journey across the pitfalls of the ordinary and extraordinary as the son of God raised by the devil tries to save his family, his world, and maybe even himself.”

Network distribution is still to be determined.

Warner Bros. announced the new series at the Annecy animation festival on Thursday.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/warner-bros-dc-studios-order-mister-miracle-series-1236263407/