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Breadtubers like Anthony Gramuglia defending the Harley Quinn fart comic for having a pro-feminist sex positive message. Like all media literacy breadtubers he outright calls for Harley Quinn original creator saying they never planned for her to be LGBT to be ignored.
 
Basic Blond Boy said:
Maybe I am misreading Lex, but I honestly see Lex as someone who has some level of respect for individuality and power, which seems to be a key aspect of his relationships.
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You're not wrong and it applies to many of his opponents as well like Batman. But he only respects that human tenacity, that fiery willpower that drives men or women to carve their own path in the world through personal strength, cunning and intelligence. For that very reason guys like Ras also respect Batman, to the point that he wants the man to bang his own daughter. Lex at least in pre N52 continuity respected humans like that, now I can't say.
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
but every time I hear Mark Hamill
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I may be alone in finding Hamill's voice worn out. Hearing the same rasp every time an animated Joker opens his mouth is a little tiring.
Battlefield2142EU said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UCNE1ffWMa0Breadtubers like Anthony Gramuglia defending the Harley Quinn fart comic for having a pro-feminist sex positive message. Like all media literacy breadtubers he outright calls for Harley Quinn original creator saying they never planned for her to be LGBT to be ignored.
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Don't they realize sex positivity is "objectifying mail gaze" now? I guess the rules don't matter when it comes to being as disgusting and subversive as possible.
 
The greater a'tuin said:
I may be alone in finding Hamill's voice worn out.
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By the time Arkham Knight rolled out, I was burned out on Mark Hamill. He's literally everywhere, never shutting up, always popping up in every goddamned room.

Same thing happened with John de Lancie on Star Trek—great until they wouldn’t stop using him, then I couldn’t stand the guy.
 
Captain Syrup said:
You're not wrong—but Burton gave them Batman and Warner Bros thanked him by making him shoot BR in what might have been the back lot of a Circuit City. They're just cheap miserable bastards.

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They built that first awesome Gotham City set outdoors in England, intending to use it again, but sadly Burton said he wouldn't do the sequel unless it was filmed in LA. The "indoor Gotham" of Batman Returns looks great but definitely feels smaller. I think there's a couple shots of Batman on the roofs where you can see the soundstage ceiling above him. But surely there was nothing cheap about it.

Alternatively they could have shot on normal WB backlots like you might see in the 1990s Flash or Lois & Clark. In those shows you can see it's really only filmed from certain angles because there's just a couple streets that aren't that big.

Here's a sweet trespasser's guide to 1989 Gotham. I think that whole area is now subdivisions however.

http://www.1989batman.com/2013/04/production-materials-pinewood-studios.html
 
Incecticyder said:
Lex respects those that can match him but he also likes his plans going his way. I think part of his obsession with Superman is him being dumbfounded as to how to deal with him. Yes, he has had people that could keep up with him but never one that could both defeat him and be impossible to work around. Lex could be defeated by the US Gov freezing his assets and gunning him down but he made the country at large his ally. Superman is seeing through his bullshit and can fight him. The stars aligned and Lex cannot come up with a good enough plan. Supes cannot be bribed, defeated, outsmarting him is hard, he has a ton of abilities that are hard to plan around and has access to alien tech. Lex has his work cut out for him.
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Lex has the key advantage of being very rich and very influential - two things Superman should struggle to deal with because Superman likes to operate within the law and avoid ruffling feathers with the government. He's aware how powerful he is and goes out of his way to not be seen as using that power to lord over people or supplant their agency. So if Toyman is building a lethal giant teddybear, Superman can deal with that. But if Lex has a contract with the United States government to develop new arms and weaponry for them, Superman has a problem. Just like if Grundy robs a bank Superman can beat him up and return the money. But if Lex has some corrupt contract with the Vice President or inside knowledge of some big merger (legally obtained or otherwise), Superman is going to find that hard to punch. In many ways, Lex is the perfect villain for Superman because he's emblematic of all the real wrongs in society.

Clark Kent is a bigger threat to Lex Luthor than Superman. One exposé can undo a dozen schemes that Superman could never touch.

@Basic Blond Boy I really liked your take on Lex+Joker. That line in the last page you posted: "If there's no meaning it's a joke on us [...] Any meaning we create ourselves is us pretending to ourselves we're in on it." is really quite profound. What is it from?
 
Overly Serious said:
@Basic Blond Boy I really liked your take on Lex+Joker. That line in the last page you posted: "If there's no meaning it's a joke on us [...] Any meaning we create ourselves is us pretending to ourselves we're in on it." is really quite profound. What is it from?
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It is from Action Comics #897, by Paul Cornell. You can check out some more of it here as they go into Lex and Joker from that issue:
 
Overly Serious said:
Lex has the key advantage of being very rich and very influential - two things Superman should struggle to deal with because Superman likes to operate within the law and avoid ruffling feathers with the government. He's aware how powerful he is and goes out of his way to not be seen as using that power to lord over people or supplant their agency. So if Toyman is building a lethal giant teddybear, Superman can deal with that. But if Lex has a contract with the United States government to develop new arms and weaponry for them, Superman has a problem. Just like if Grundy robs a bank Superman can beat him up and return the money. But if Lex has some corrupt contract with the Vice President or inside knowledge of some big merger (legally obtained or otherwise), Superman is going to find that hard to punch. In many ways, Lex is the perfect villain for Superman because he's emblematic of all the real wrongs in society.

Clark Kent is a bigger threat to Lex Luthor than Superman. One exposé can undo a dozen schemes that Superman could never touch.
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The thing about Lex is that he does not stick to the things that are legal, moral or allowed. He does weapon contracts with the US government and basic government corruption but he also unleashes killer cyborgs that wreck half a city, which then embarrasses the government, creates evil mutants that seek to take over the world and is, overall, powerful enough to make the world his bitch unless Superheroes stop him. He does not just do evil things, he does supervillainy that is harder to cover up.
 
@Overly Serious that page is from “The Black Ring” arc from Action Comics, Lex hijacked the protagonist role for a storyline in the post-Blackest Night setting, where he is still buck-broken by having the orange ring and then losing it, that want is still burned into his head despite Larfleeze being gone.

It’s one of the best Luthor stories, right up there with Luthor: Man of Steel, Forever Evil, All-star, Public Enemies and the majority of Rebirth.
 
Black Ring is one of my top 5 probably dark horse superman storyline suggestions to people but the one thing I don't like about it is the same thing I've never liked about it and it's the fact we have some random backstory where young lex trained with Ra's al Ghul and outsmarted Darkseid and shit and it's just gay. everything present day was awesome but all that little extra lex backstory was horrible, unnecessary, and creatively bankrupt.

yeah Lex is almost a mirror Batman where he's the best at shit but driven entirely by ego but did we really need to have teenage him 1-uping major dcu forces? I hate prequelitis shit like that. It might not have been in black ring itself but it's definitely somewhere around there I had a mail subscription to action comics from right around infinite crisis to Greg Pak during new 52 when my dad was finally like why the fuck does dc comics come out of my bank account every 6 months and I explained to him he got me that for my birthday when I was 12 and he was pissed he had still been paying for it
 
So outside of Hitman, did any of the new heroes introduced in Bloodlines stick around for very long?

The only ones I remember is the racemixed native american and/or black guy who threw knives or something, the cop in a wheelchair who turned into a big blue guy who could walk, and some guy called the Terrorsmith who got hit with an ugly stick and could turn people's nightmares into reality, whatever happened to all of them?
 
GilaCutter said:
So outside of Hitman, did any of the new heroes introduced in Bloodlines stick around for very long?

The only ones I remember is the racemixed native american and/or black guy who threw knives or something, the cop in a wheelchair who turned into a big blue guy who could walk, and some guy called the Terrorsmith who got hit with an ugly stick and could turn people's nightmares into reality, whatever happened to all of them?
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No none of them stuck around, one of those dudes is in limbo in final crisis though with the other forgotten heroes though lol
 
Yeah, I decided to look up the one guy whose name I remembered (only because I looked the storyline up on a wiki for a refresher) and turns out, Terrorsmith literally never appeared in anything else, not even in Infinite Crisis to get killed off. And looks like most of the other ones never appear in anything except for that Blood Pack miniseries, except for that cop guy, Cannon something, who had his own comic as well, and did turn up a couple of times in other titles.

Also I got the knife guy and the pissed off half native mixed up, turns out those are two different characters.

The one surprising exception was Sparx who has turned up in various titles and I completely forgot she was one of the New Bloods.
 
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Bros... we were robbed of Baykino.

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The Doom Slayer said:
Bros... we were robbed of Baykino.

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I’m now just imagining Pain and Gain Mark Wahlberg as Ultraman.

That would be actually be pretty awesome.
Overly Serious said:
If it meant we got more Henry Cavill but where he was allowed to be a little more human and humorous, I honestly would have enjoyed seeing that.

Though he'd probably re-cast Lois Lane with Megan Fox.

Plus he'd probably re-cast Lois Lane with Megan Fox!
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Michael Bay is overhated and his Superman would be the most patriotic, heterosexual and aesthetically pleasing depiction of the Man of Steel since Donner’s.

Plus it would’ve made Mark Waid and Grant Morrison kick a chair out.
 
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