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Don't bring up Epic as a whole because that was not what I was talking about. The store is hemorrhaging money. It's only on life support. It would be dead if Tim would call it quits like he fucking should, but won't because his ego can't take the hit. Only an utter moron would buy it, but there's plenty of them in this industry yet I don't think they will even have the chance because Tim can't take the hit. You saw how much he fucked up in the Apple lawsuit for the sake of his ego; not that he ever had a chance, but his behavior was atrocious.
There's been so many instances of people creating companies to just be bought up by a larger entity. They literally pull the same shit Tim did, but those companies only last like 1-5 years at most Because the belief is that you'll find a buyer for something even in a flaming dumpster heap, but if it doesn't get bought within the allotted time period then shit really does hit the fan and then the leadership abandons ship leaving the employees to hold the bag..
 
There's been so many instances of people creating companies to just be bought up by a larger entity. They literally pull the same shit Tim did, but those companies only last like 1-5 years at most Because the belief is that you'll find a buyer for something even in a flaming dumpster heap, but if it doesn't get bought within the allotted time period then shit really does hit the fan and then the leadership abandons ship leaving the employees to hold the bag..
Oh, I'm sure that's true, but I just don't think that's what Tim will do. His ego is too great and he's taken this shit personally at this point. Maybe Tencent will have him whacked and sell off the store, though.
 
Oh, I'm sure that's true, but I just don't think that's what Tim will do. His ego is too great and he's taken this shit personally at this point. Maybe Tencent will have him whacked and sell off the store, though.
The thing is unless you're bill gates or Bezos levels of wealth, very egotistical people will usually take the cash payout because they will wind up boosting their ego more.

It's why they do stupid shit like flying their private plane to Israel with enough weed on board that could get the whole crew arrested and jailed on the spot.
 
The thing is unless you're bill gates or Bezos levels of wealth, very egotistical people will usually take the cash payout because they will wind up boosting their ego more.

It's why they do stupid shit like flying their private plane to Israel with enough weed on board that could get the whole crew arrested and jailed on the spot.
Except Tim didn't create this from the ground up. He created it as a side project to Epic and it's attached to Epic, this isn't the faggots behind Youtube who started their site and sold it to Google. This is basically just another department of Epic, there's no ego boost if you sell this because it's not an upwards move and if you sell it that means it was never good which turns it into a downwards move. Plus to sell the Epic Game Store they'd be selling it to a person who can't use the word Epic in the title because Epic owns the trademark to Epic.

There's literally no reason to buy this storefront and no way Tim can get an ego boost selling it.
 
Except Tim didn't create this from the ground up. He created it as a side project to Epic and it's attached to Epic, this isn't the faggots behind Youtube who started their site and sold it to Google. This is basically just another department of Epic, there's no ego boost if you sell this because it's not an upwards move and if you sell it that means it was never good which turns it into a downwards move. Plus to sell the Epic Game Store they'd be selling it to a person who can't use the word Epic in the title because Epic owns the trademark to Epic.

There's literally no reason to buy this storefront and no way Tim can get an ego boost selling it.
I dunno, they could decide to split it off since many companies have done things like that where they turn entire divisions or branches into their own separate business. But this is all hypothetical.

After all the shit he's done and everything that the store has been dragged through and that still hasn't destroyed it, it's probably just going to sit there. It would take a corporate cataclysm to probably end the epic store at this point. But also they're a much bigger name than Origin or Gog.
 
I dunno, they could decide to split it off since many companies have done things like that where they turn entire divisions or branches into their own separate business. But this is all hypothetical.

After all the shit he's done and everything that the store has been dragged through and that still hasn't destroyed it, it's probably just going to sit there. It would take a corporate cataclysm to probably end the epic store at this point. But also they're a much bigger name than Origin or Gog.
I don't think they can make it a separate business because if it's not attached to Epic Games then it won't be able to use Epic in the name since Epic Games owns that trademark. Or they should anyways in regards to the digital entertainment front.

And it effectively is destroyed. Nobody runs to EGS to play exclusives, this was actually brought out once where it turned out they didn't get any of the Steam audience like they had hoped and got a fraction of what they would have had they just released on Steam. That's why Epic has to pay millions to get games on their store and even then if you're big enough you can make it a temporary exclusive. EGS is a terrible marketplace, fucking GOG has a better return rate; so much for being a bigger name. The majority of its users are just people playing free games and they don't even buy any games after. The only reason it's alive at all is because Tim won't stop with the money transfusions to keep it alive. The moment Tim isn't at the wheel anymore they likely will shut it down, but because he is they won't and he won't because he can't accept his failure. It's personal to him.

It's taken them like 2 years to put in a shopping cart and I still can't find it actually being released, even if it's supposed to be this year. Even EA and Ubisoft figured out how to do that, but EA still couldn't compete with Steam.
 
Yeah, one indie company said that Epic's payment was more than they likely woulda earned on Steam in a year.
Paying for shit is honestly the quickest and most surefire way to get stuff on your platform. But they have to make it up on the consumer end.

Besides people forget that the Microsoft Storefront and Xbox Store have banned entire developers and a few dozen visual novels much like Steam has. It really hasn't hurt them at all. Steam's Censorship policy is less than that of Microsoft's.
 
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People claim console warrior shit doesn't work, but if it didn't then Epic would be dead already. They've outlasted the dreamcast at this point.
Epic isn't profitable. It's only afloat due to Fortnite money and Chinese Tencent money

Epic expects Epic Games Store to be profitable by 2024
Court documents also reveal details of $146 million Borderlands exclusivity deal and $11.7 million spent on free games

Epic has sunk $500M into the Epic Games Store, doesn't expect to make a profit until 2027
Epic lost around $181 million on EGS in 2019. Epic projected to lose around $273 million on EGS in 2020. Epic acknowledges that trend will continue in the immediate future: Epic projects to lose around $139 million in 2021."

Epic Is Losing An Astonishing Amount Of Money Securing Games For EGS
Epic giving games a guaranteed minimum payout for being on the store, and then…failing to hit that minimum in almost every instance.

They're operating at a heavy loss in an effort to secure market share. As a gamer it's great, I've gotten like 50 free games from them and competition is always welcome. But just because they're still up doesn't mean their strategy is "working".
 
Epic isn't profitable. It's only afloat due to Fortnite money and Chinese Tencent money

Epic expects Epic Games Store to be profitable by 2024
Court documents also reveal details of $146 million Borderlands exclusivity deal and $11.7 million spent on free games

Epic has sunk $500M into the Epic Games Store, doesn't expect to make a profit until 2027
Epic lost around $181 million on EGS in 2019. Epic projected to lose around $273 million on EGS in 2020. Epic acknowledges that trend will continue in the immediate future: Epic projects to lose around $139 million in 2021."

Epic Is Losing An Astonishing Amount Of Money Securing Games For EGS
Epic giving games a guaranteed minimum payout for being on the store, and then…failing to hit that minimum in almost every instance.

They're operating at a heavy loss in an effort to secure market share. As a gamer it's great, I've gotten like 50 free games from them and competition is always welcome. But just because they're still up doesn't mean their strategy is "working".
Them losing 100-200 million isn't anything major especially considering where they get money from. Their benefactors give them way more and do expect losses because holding on and managing the market share is the important thing. It sounds retarded on paper but many businesses do operate like this.

In general if a company expands as much as they can and they need to grow their market, the easiest way to buy out their competition or cut deals. Companies always look to expand every quarter so that's kind of the logic to some of these decisions. In Epic's case they probably won't sell, but if someone wants to hypothetically buy the whole company like years down the line having a storefront would still raise the price tag of the purchase since it's an already established revenue stream with infrastructure.
 
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Them losing 100-200 million isn't anything major especially considering where they get money from. Their benefactors give them way more and do expect losses because holding on and managing the market share is the important thing. It sounds retarded on paper but many businesses do operate like this.
I'm not saying it's retarded, I fully understand their business plan. But losing $200M yearly isn't proof that your strategy is working just because you have endless Chinese investor money backing you up. "They're doing something right or the store would be dead" doesn't apply here, because none of the money is coming in from the store. It's like if a billionaire started a personal hobby project.
 
It's like if a billionaire started a personal hobby project.
That's been every failed Valve, Google, and Amazon venture.

That's literally what many of those things were because they couldn't figure out how to grow the company. So stuff gets tested out.
 
That's literally what many of those things were because they couldn't figure out how to grow the company.
Growing the company or gaining market share is only desirable on the expectation that at some future date they turn profitable. It's too early to tell, maybe they will start making a profit in 2027 and it will all have been worth it by 2035 or whatever. But even if they eventually fail it still would've looked the same to us in 2021.

having a storefront would still raise the price tag of the purchase since it's an already established revenue stream with infrastructure.
It's a revenue stream that's costing more to maintain than it's bringing in income. Again it would have to turn itself profitable before it becomes attractive to potential buyers. Which I don't think will ever happen either, Epic is valued at something like $30B and it's the CCP's bridgeheard into the Western gaming industry. If they're bought out by anybody it's Sweeney giving up 50+% to Tencent.
 
Gay sparkle vampires that existed before Twilight was even a thing.
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But they seriously put out a NO SPOILERS notice for a visual novel that's decades old
No awkward sex scenes where Shiki is a near rapist, no buy. Also fuck the removal of the granny skirt for a mini skirt. In all seriousness, the removal of the Far Side routes is baffling considering they were the best parts of the game.

Edit: Oh, never mind, the Far Side routes are getting a separate game. Here's to another ten years of waiting.
 
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No awkward sex scenes where Shiki is a near rapist, no buy. Also fuck the removal of the granny skirt for a mini skirt.
Game seems to be a gigantic monkey's paw due of how long it took to be developed and released, with rewritten parts to "subvert your expectations" (I guess), not to mention the thing is quite huge in size in spite of not having all the story content from the original title. I can see it as the Final Fantasy 7 Remake of visual novels frankly.

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I may recall the PS4 version was 40GB big according to the back of the box.
For recent comparison, Fuuraiki 4 from Nippon Ichi Software is 15GB on Switch and it is filled with roadmap videos of nippon countryside/small towns of the Gifu region that you can freely rotate 360° style, most VNs don't go above 10GB on the system.
 
Game seems to be a gigantic monkey's paw due of how long it took to be developed and released, with rewritten parts to "subvert your expectations" (I guess), not to mention the thing is quite huge in size in spite of not having all the story content from the original title. I can see it as the Final Fantasy 7 Remake of visual novels frankly.

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The Final Fantasy 7 Remake of visual novels already happened, it was the ZAN games from Utawererumono, they made them full fledged Action games and retold the same story from the Mask Duology. Every character had full 3d models and they included new what if scenarios.

This is closer to the 1997 cut of Star Wars
 
Wow what an undiverse and shitty looking team full of white dudebros, I'm sure these dudes have NEVER made an influential video game in their lives.
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You have no idea how much I wish these guys could try and make a new game.
It doesn't even have to be a revolutionary new concept or some landmark entry, but Romero/Carmack was a duo that can only publish greatness.
 
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