Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

[Takodachi]

What iteration would this be?
4.0 or 5.0?

 

[knightlautrec]

This might be Prey 2017 all over again, a good game that was harmed by some SJW flavoring that didn't really affect the game much, but still kept people away.

Which is a shame. Prey was pretty good though it was hard to swallow what Bethesda did to the original intended Prey sequel and still like Prey 2017. But you are right. I liked Morgan Yu but the twitter journo screeching about 'HOW IMPORTANT ASIAN AND LESBIAN REP IS' when it's clear the only reason the female Yu is a lesbo is that they didn't want to change the love interest into a man and make more work for themselves on a game they were contracted to do and didn't actually have any passion for. That's literally it. If a dev being lazy is progress then jeeze. I don't know man.

 

[nonvir_1984]

Seems like Gamergate has become the holocaust for the permanently irate. Of course the issue should not be forgotten, but you don't need to wallow in it either. But remember and learn.
As for the salacious story that "He'd jam his fingers inside me and walk me around the house by them when I told him it hurt," That, if true, and lacking consent is degrading and is a sexual assault. Report it.
And as for Quinn not using gender neutral pronouns, I think that "him" might be one. But may be she makes an exception when it comes to talking about evil males.

 

[SJ 485]

they didn't want to change the love interest into a man and make more work for themselves on a game they were contracted to do and didn't actually have any passion for. That's literally it.

I very seriously disagree with the assertion that Prey was a work made without passion. I think rather that they didn't change Ilyushin's gender based on the player's choice of a male or female Morgan because it'd be in bad taste to do so (or they felt as much.)

 

[CheezzyMach]

Seems like Gamergate has become the holocaust for the permanently irate. Of course the issue should not be forgotten, but you don't need to wallow in it either. But remember and learn.
As for the salacious story that "He'd jam his fingers inside me and walk me around the house by them when I told him it hurt," That, if true, and lacking consent is degrading and is a sexual assault. Report it.
And as for Quinn not using gender neutral pronouns, I think that "him" might be one. But may be she makes an exception when it comes to talking about evil males.

Are you kidding? These tards love Gamergate it's the most relevance they'll ever have.

 

[knightlautrec]

I very seriously disagree with the assertion that Prey was a work made without passion. I think rather that they didn't change Ilyushin's gender based on the player's choice of a male or female Morgan because it'd be in bad taste to do so (or they felt as much.)

You only have to look at the care and design of Dishonored 1 and 2 (vastly superior games) versus Prey to see that it was clearly a obligation game because it was. The game isn't bad but if you think that parts of it weren't phoned in or quickly cobbled together then idk that we played the same game. The enemies were very samey, copy pasted from section to section and the game was about 7-8 hours with very little level variation.

And why the actual hell is it in bad taste to change a love interests gender to match the opposing gender? I kinda found it fairly eyerolling that Morgan the dude got to be straight and Morgan the woman didn't as a woman cuz I'm goddamn tired of this weird prevalent trope in games that female characters are absolutely gagging for other pussy.

 

[Haramburger]

She was around during its start and I think she followed Zoe Quinn for a time. Only the Sage of Autism knows for certain: @Jaimas, if you would be so kind.

Taken from the wiki page for "Gamergate_controversy":

 

[Pumpkin Girl IRL]

Prey's idea of diversity is the very tired Lots Of Lesbians approach, with a weird aversion to any dudes getting it on.

 

[Jaimas]

She was around during its start and I think she followed Zoe Quinn for a time. Only the Sage of Autism knows for certain: @Jaimas, if you would be so kind.

IRL friend of Quinn's. Shored up the initial defensives on her behalf by writing thinkpieces about people critical of Quinn and when GG hit, was in the vanguard against it.

Short version is that she wanted in the cool kids' club that was CON, but she wasn't even useful enough to be part of the outer sphere like David Gallant, Izzy Galvez, and Jake Alley.

She's been a non-stop cheerleader of Quinn's since day one, but Sempai never noticed her.

 

[Ineedahero]

Seems like Gamergate has become the holocaust for the permanently irate. Of course the issue should not be forgotten, but you don't need to wallow in it either. But remember and learn.

Are you for fucking real? What in the universe would change if gamergate was forgotten? Or if it never existed? We'd lose our favourite CatParty articles and...?

Games journalism would still be a cesspool of nepotism and propaganda, gamers would still not give a shit about 'important issues' when they are trying to play fucking video games and Trump would still be president.

 

[Jaimas]

Seems like Gamergate has become the holocaust for the permanently irate. Of course the issue should not be forgotten, but you don't need to wallow in it either. But remember and learn.

All right. Let me get this out of the way, once and for all.

If you had somehow avoided the Autism shitstorm itself, odds are extremely high that you had no idea it even happened - the Journos in question don't have the reach they like to pretend they do, and the Autistic nerds sperging to oppose them have even less. The end result of everything that happened during GG, and indeed its biggest take-away, was that we saw every single trick in the SJW playbook and basically its entire arsenal leveraged solely against a group that would have been entirely content to be left the fuck alone, only for that group, via the power of Autism, to turn around and tell it to fuck off and go away.

But that begs a question I only realized the answer to recently: How did this happen? Why did the Anti-GGers try this shit at all? Why did they throw everything at this? It couldn't possibly be to simply protect Zoe Quinn, despite how many people accidentally their entire careers on her behalf. There had to be something bigger.

See, for the most part, Social Justice, to this point, steamrolled everything that stood against it. There's a few outliers like the Heavy Metal community that sent them packing, but almost every other part of media got completely overrun, and the biggest reason for it is the combination of outrage culture and the simple fact that people just sort of let it ride. Don't go blaming the victims of the harassment tactics the SJWs leverage on this one; they've never encountered anything like outrage mobs and sustained harassment campaigns from agitators before.

Where their tactics begin to fail, however, is with groups that were already largely ostracized, and/or which are heavily meritocratic. The former don't give a toss about identity politics and the latter believe you should git gud or fuck off. Gaming as a whole subscribes to both, and as such, was never going to tolerate this shit.

In fact, if you go looking, like through DIGRA's shit especially, they complain about this a lot - that Gamers didn't care about identity politics, and that they were never going to be able to use that to get a foothold in the industry, and that was their biggest reason for doing this shit. If you look at the events leading up to GG, you can see a very clear pattern where pretty much everything they had were probing, trying to find that entry point into gaming so they could turn it into one more shitty mouthpiece for their political shit, in many cases years before GG ever happened.

What ultimately caused them to go full Autism Warfare was that the person who got exposed, Zoe Quinn, was connected to dozens, if not hundreds of different groups that were all trying to push this crap, big and small. In the attempt to protect their own, they all let their collective spaghetti out of their pockets, and in so doing, basically revealed the entire thing. It wasn't a conspiracy in the sense one may think of it, it was dozens of individual stupid dumb asshole idiot groups with social justice politics all moving the same way and having the same incestuous circlejerks around the same people (which, I will add, is why the 7 degrees of Gamergate minigame is a thing).

GG is essentially meaningless to those who weren't involved in it, and that's honestly for the best. I've always referred to GG as the Autism Holy War not because GG speds saw it as some righteous cause, but because ultimately gaming was the Jersusalem the SJWs failed to take in the crusade. The reason that, half-a-decade hence, speds keep shrieking about GG, is because the scars, for them, are still fresh. They saw this whole shebang as another easy fight that they were predestined to win, as they had done with a thousand previous communities, only for them to get told to fuck off.

In the SJW mindset, the biggest sin one can commit is not wrongthink; it's indifference - the simple statement that SJW outrage is, ultimately, unimportant that makes them angriest, and the fact that years later, GG still continues to generate thinkpieces from these assclowns is testament to that impotent rage.

 

[AnOminous]

In the SJW mindset, the biggest sin one can commit is not wrongthink; it's indifference - the simple statement that SJW outrage is, ultimately, unimportant that makes them angriest, and the fact that years later, GG still continues to generate thinkpieces from these assclowns is testament to that impotent rage.

It's a mystery to me why they think just constantly throwing in inane references to Gamergate gets anything but befuddlement out of normal people reading it. An infinitesimally small number of people know or care about it. I haven't encountered a single person irl who even knew what it was.

 

[Jaimas]

It's a mystery to me why they think just constantly throwing in inane references to Gamergate gets anything but befuddlement out of normal people reading it. An infinitesimally small number of people know or care about it. I haven't encountered a single person irl who even knew what it was.

Because it's the most relevant they've ever been, and it's never coming back.

 

[AnOminous]

Because it's the most relevant they've ever been, and it's never coming back.

Even in the last week, I've seen articles in actual newspapers where there's just suddenly a Gamergate reference just out of fucking nowhere. I mean I could see it coming, because the kind of hysterical screeching articles these are always go there eventually, but I can't imagine what a normal person would think reading this crazy shit.

Maybe they just stop reading before it shows up, whereas I usually control+F "gamergate" just to see where it is.

 

[Judge Dredd]

ultimately gaming was the Jersusalem the SJWs failed to take in the crusade

One thing I like that metaphor is a reason that you may or may not have intended.

What have been the ultimate end goal of all woke media infestations? Spread the ideology. Weather they were true believers or just looking for asspats doesn't really matter. The point was to get the message into everything and ostracize and vilify everyone who didn't agree with it.

Gaming was (and I think still is) the biggest form of mass media by far. I remember hearing that it earned more money a year than film and music combined. And yet it was the only mainstream media without political bullshit, gatekeeping, and a high-brow low-brow divide.

And they lost.

They lost not only the most important space, but also the space that was meant to be easiest to take. Fat neets in their parents basement vs the entire news media and the big game companies.

 

[Gar For Archer]

One thing I like that metaphor is a reason that you may or may not have intended.

What have been the ultimate end goal of all woke media infestations? Spread the ideology. Weather they were true believers or just looking for asspats doesn't really matter. The point was to get the message into everything and ostracize and vilify everyone who didn't agree with it.

Gaming was (and I think still is) the biggest form of mass media by far. I remember hearing that it earned more money a year than film and music combined. And yet it was the only mainstream media without political bullshit, gatekeeping, and a high-brow low-brow divide.

And they lost.

They lost not only the most important space, but also the space that was meant to be easiest to take. Fat neets in their parents basement vs the entire news media and the big game companies.

I think that's because with gaming, it's the #hardcore #gamers who are responsible for the game's word-of-mouth. Unlike with movies or TV where everyone will pile in early on, with games it's mostly going to be your serious fans who buy and play your game on release, so they're the ones who get to determine its early reception. I'd say it's pretty much impossible for a shitty game to get astroturfed into popularity - even games that are widely (and unfairly, IMO) derided like Fortnite or COD are, at the end of the day, fun games or else they wouldn't be so perpetually popular.

 

[Slap47]

ultimately gaming was the Jersusalem the SJWs failed to take in the crusade.

This is simply the Peasant's Crusade wave.

The next wave will come with the backing of state force and just like with the real city - there will be no survivors.

 

[AnOminous]

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This is simply the Peasant's Crusade wave.

The next wave will come with the backing of state force and just like with the real city - there will be no survivors.

Yet more reason to have a "Games Journalist" mode below easy where they put in shit that's only in that mode so anyone who mentions it in a review can be disregarded. Not that they aren't disregarded anyway.

 

[Jaimas]

This is simply the Peasant's Crusade wave.

The next wave will come with the backing of state force and just like with the real city - there will be no survivors.

No they won't. At least not at their current trajectory.

 

[MrTroll]

Bad news gentlemen:

https://www.oneangrygamer.net/2019/08/final-fantasy-8-remastered-censored/92005/