Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

[Marissa Moira]

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Yes, this is the Culture War thread, but tonight we are all John Madden. This man changed sports gaming in a way that I don’t think we’ll ever see again. Even during retirement, he somehow managed to make EA Sports fun again.

Fast forward to today, though, EA is largely to blame for the downfall of this genre as a whole.

Though, with that said, John Madden is the perfect definition of “legend” through and through.

oh fuck he's dead?!

What the fuck, first one of the Bogs and now him.

The amount of NASA Interns he inspired can be counted in the dozens.

 

[SiccDicc]

I dunno, the chances of someone who is such a Lolcow that he gets ass blasted over being called Winnie the Poo being correct about anything is very small.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. And Winnie the Pooh is the greatest spiritual poison. He is slovenly, a glutton, constantly trying to break into Rabbit's house and steal his honey.

Our great Emperor Xi would never do or be any of these things.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Our great Emperor Xi would never do or be any of these things.

He is Chris Chan with a Dad who was high enough in the party to get him a job.

 

[BananaSplit]

>wanting to play Bayonetta and Tomb Raider without cringe and embarrassment
>also wanting to play it next to your parents

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Apart from disrespecting possibly the Bayonetta and Tomb Raider fanbases combined, while trying to then say that they’re not wearing the “right” clothing, this sounds more like a poser than an actual fan of famous fictional strong women with massive fan/sex appeal.

"modern" Lara Croft is nowhere the sexual appeal icon she used to be in the 90s-00s. Which proves how much the wokefags are willing to bite the hand of a game company, for not complying enough, even after chasing away female sexiness from being the norm in mainstream western vidya.

 

[Marissa Moira]

"modern" Lara Croft is nowhere the sexual appeal icon she used to be in the 90s-00s. Which proves how much the wokefags are willing to bite the hand of a game company, for not complying enough, even after chasing away female sexiness from being the norm in mainstream western vidya.

It had more to do with the tomb raiders after 3 not being very well done, even the ones released on the Dreamcast and the like were bad.

You had Anniversary and Underworld do a bit better, but at that point the series was in dire need of a new direction. The 2013 Tomb Raider did better than the last 5 tomb raider games combined. People forget that shit like Angel of Darkness existed.

They took a more grounded approach because at that point you had series like Uncharted be long established and Uncharted was considered Male Tomb Raider for the longest time. But if you were to take all 3 of the modern trilogy, they make up more than half of the series total lifetime sales.

Reverting them back to how the original games played would not go over well since they were very much a product of their time and way more limited from a tech standpoint. The tomb raider levels were quite small in comparison to what most action games use for levels now. Like the older games had vehicle segments that came off more as a novelty. Where as now most games can seamlessly switch between a character riding and exiting a vehicle within the same level.

 

[Judge Dredd]

"modern" Lara Croft is nowhere the sexual appeal icon she used to be in the 90s-00s. Which proves how much the wokefags are willing to bite the hand of a game company, for not complying enough, even after chasing away female sexiness from being the norm in mainstream western vidya.

I think it's more that they're out of touch. They either assume those new games are the problematic ones, or they never looked into where the series went after the playstation.

LMAO MY VAGINA HAS ITS OWN VOICE seriously who thought of this being a good idea

"If this is what vaginas say when they talk, my kingdom for a tampon." -Razorfist

 

[BananaSplit]

I think it's more that they're out of touch. They either assume those new games are the problematic ones, or they never looked into where the series went after the playstation.

I was thinking that could have been the case, but since the journalist has been using modern examples of games I simply assumed he was talking about the recent Tomb Raider titles.

That said, America has long gotten the reputation in the vidya industry of being that progressive-puritan land that forbids anything remotely sexually suggestive or politically-incorrect, no matter the context.

Feature: 'Royal Anapoko Academy' Director On Ancient's Style And Potential Issues Of An Overseas Release​

-Do you have any plans for an international release?

"There are parts in this game that express sexual characters and discrimination. In Japan and North America, the level of tolerance for such things is different. It may be difficult to release the game in North America with the exact same content. If we are going to release it overseas, we will have to carefully examine these issues before translating it. First, we will measure how popular the game is in Japan, and then we will consider the strategy for the overseas version."

'Royal Anapoko Academy' Director On Ancient's Style And Potential Issues Of An Overseas Release

"Leave it to the big companies to overwhelm the players... let's do what only we can do!"

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[Marissa Moira]

I was thinking that could have been the case, but since the journalist has been using modern examples of games I simply assumed he was talking about the recent Tomb Raider titles.

That said, America has long gotten the reputation in the vidya industry of being that progressive-puritan land that forbids anything remotely suggestive or politically-incorrect, no matter the context.

'Royal Anapoko Academy' Director On Ancient's Style And Potential Issues Of An Overseas Release

"Leave it to the big companies to overwhelm the players... let's do what only we can do!"

www.nintendolife.com

https://archive.md/tGzUj

I'm pretty sure most American games wind up getting their gore removed in other countries which happens way more frequently because even European versions wind up needing shit removed compared to their american releases. PEGI has way more stricter standards than ESRB when it comes to content.

Violence and use of guns is mostly definitely what more countries tend to wince on.

The standard that the interviewer is referring to is that Americans don't like seeing scantly clad underage looking characters. Grown adults tend to be fine.

 

[SiccDicc]

The standard that the interviewer is referring to is that Americans don't like seeing scantly clad underage looking characters. Grown adults tend to be fine.

When Netflix launches shit like Cuties but then say the need to cover up Faye Valentine in their Cowboy Bepop adaptation... I call bullshit.

 

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[Marissa Moira]

When Netflix launches shit like Cuties but then say the need to cover up Faye Valentine in their Cowboy Bepop adaptation... I call bullshit.

Well if you really want to dig deep there were many feminist movements pre-1900 in America that wanted the legal age raised from 10 years old to eventually 18. This was long after the civil war was over so there really wasn't any real practical reason to throw girls into marriage that early anymore. And it was disproportionately girls who were pursued because it was not happening to 10 year old boys.

Part of what helped child labor end in the western world end due to women and children working in coal mines. Now all throughout Europe it was pretty common to have naked women and children work along side each other in the mines due to how hot it got. Kids were also great for being able to fit between the cramped spaces in the mine. A newspaper made a report about how indecent it was and that if a woman worked in the mines she would be a unfit for marriage since she was essentially walking around with her boobs exposed for 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. Male Feminists existed back then who were also part of the nobility, and they made a stink about how this was horrible treatment and threatened the companies. So after this was all reported on all the women and children then found themselves out of work. Men then had to replace them and mining accidents actually went up.

So with no job and now having a legal age requirement, child marriages in the west pretty much ended. With the spread of information and modern facilities and in many places rural life was being replaced with suburbia, it was deemed a better use to send children to school rather then marrying them off before they were in their teens.

Point is, lolicon is such a slippery slope that if I were to throw a bowling ball down the slope it would hit 10 federal agents and a bunch of actual pedophiles.

 

[SiccDicc]

Well if you really want to dig deep there were many feminist movements pre-1900 in America that wanted the legal age raised from 10 years old to eventually 18. This was long after the civil war was over so there really wasn't any real practical reason to throw girls into marriage that early anymore. And it was disproportionately girls who were pursued because it was not happening to 10 year old boys.

Part of what helped child labor end in the western world end due to women and children working in coal mines. Now all throughout Europe it was pretty common to have naked women and children work along side each other in the mines due to how hot it got. Kids were also great for being able to fit between the cramped spaces in the mine. A newspaper made a report about how indecent it was and that if a woman worked in the mines she would be a unfit for marriage since she was essentially walking around with her boobs exposed for 20 hours a day, 7 days a week. Male Feminists existed back then who were also part of the nobility, and they made a stink about how this was horrible treatment and threatened the companies. So after this was all reported on all the women and children then found themselves out of work. Men then had to replace them and mining accidents actually went up.

So with no job and now having a legal age requirement, child marriages in the west pretty much ended. With the spread of information and modern facilities and in many places rural life was being replaced with suburbia, it was deemed a better use to send children to school rather then marrying them off before they were in their teens.

Point is, lolicon is such a slippery slope that if I were to throw a bowling ball down the slope it would hit 10 federal agents and a bunch of actual pedophiles.

No, the point is you love to go on tangents that have nothing to do with the initial point.

How does anything of what you said have anything to do with Netflix's efforts to show promiscuous children and yet cover up fully grown adults?

 

[Marissa Moira]

No, the point is you love to go on tangents that have nothing to do with the initial point.

How does anything of what you said have anything to do with Netflix's efforts to show promiscuous children and yet cover up fully grown adults?

You're talking about one specific company with it's own form of mismanagement and standards.

I was talking about more in general for the western world, that's why lolicon is mostly shunned. There's a ton of historical events in the west that drove society away from wanting to find children appealing in that way. It's why Cuties in itself drove controversy because people don't like seeing kids in sexy outfits for that specific reason. Netflix isn't what sets the standard, and both those shows you mentioned turned out to be unpopular.

 

[SiccDicc]

You're talking about one specific company with it's own form of mismanagement and standards.

I was talking about more in general for the western world, that's why lolicon is mostly shunned. There's a ton of historical events in the west that drove society away from wanting to find children appealing in that way. It's why Cuties in itself drove controversy because people don't like seeing kids in sexy outfits for that specific reason. Netflix isn't what sets the standard, and both those shows you mentioned turned out to be unpopular.

It's biological that we find children unappealing. Anything otherwise is suggesting it's a societal construct that we don't. Something the likes of which John Money or Helmut Kentler would suggest.

And the problem is that the standard is set by people who decide that Cuties are good and sexy adult women are bad. They run the most prominent of media and defended the actions of Netflix -- the only ones that didn't were alt-related or the occasional talk on Fox News, I actually can't recall Fox throwing their hat in the ring to be honest yet I do recall Tucker. It doesn't matter what the majority of a nation thinks. What matters is what's projected by those that run things and the people that run things say Netflix is right and you're a chud for disagreeing. There was a huge coordinated effort by the typical individuals on Twitter. It is an ideological imperative that they succeed. They've also been trying to push for pedophile acceptance with the occasional backstep since - I think - 2015 at least if those Salon articles were anything to go by, like they were dipping their toe to see how society feels. So long as it is biological they will fail, as the sexologists did in Germany in 1933.

Pedophilia runs rampant with the assholes in Hollywood. You really think it's just Netflix?

As an aside, though, I don't need to remind you of the infamous Dr. Pizza and his entire crusade against anime and sexy adult women.

 

[Marissa Moira]

It's biological that we find children unappealing. Anything otherwise is suggesting it's a societal construct that we don't. Something the likes of which John Money or Helmut Kentler would suggest.

And the problem is that the standard is set by people who decide that Cuties are good and sexy adult women are bad. They run the most prominent of media and defended the actions of Netflix -- the only ones that didn't were alt-related or the occasional talk on Fox News, I actually can't recall Fox throwing their hat in the ring to be honest yet I do recall Tucker. It doesn't matter what the majority of a nation thinks. What matters is what's projected by those that run things and the people that run things say Netflix is right and you're a chud for disagreeing. There was a huge coordinated effort by the typical individuals on Twitter. It is an ideological imperative that they succeed. They've also been trying to push for pedophile acceptance with the occasional backstep since - I think - 2015 at least if those Salon articles were anything to go by, like they were dipping their toe to see how society feels. So long as it is biological they will fail, as the sexologists did in Germany in 1933.

Pedophilia runs rampant with the assholes in Hollywood. You really think it's just Netflix?

As an aside, though, I don't need to remind you of the infamous Dr. Pizza and his entire crusade against anime and sexy adult women.

Except Cuties was pretty much outright rejected by the public. Hot takes on twitter don't really amount to much. The Maxwell verdict yesterday probably did more to stop child trafficking and predation than any type of corporate boycott.

The biological standard does have some truth to it, however it didn't stop groups from emerging that did not adhere to it. Which was why the legal age limit was raised and enforced to deter others from doing it and to give a route for culpability. Most of these child brides suffered significant abuse due to the relationship being very one sided since the man in the relationship would be the husband and surrogate father figure all rolled into one.

 

[SiccDicc]

Except Cuties was pretty much outright rejected by the public. Hot takes on twitter don't really amount to much. The Maxwell verdict yesterday probably did more to stop child trafficking and predation than any type of corporate boycott.

The biological standard does have some truth to it, however it didn't stop groups from emerging that did not adhere to it. Which was why the legal age limit was raised and enforced to deter others from doing it and to give a route for culpability. Most of these child brides suffered significant abuse due to the relationship being very one sided since the man in the relationship would be the husband and surrogate father figure all rolled into one.

That's a lot of conjecture there. How do you figure they saw the man they were to marry as a father figure when it was likely their father who arranged the marriage? Not only that most arranged marriages were to similar aged individuals. It was quite unusual to have a particularly older man married to a child bride. Unless of course we're talking Islamic nations, but they collect wives over there like Pokemon. In fact the average age of marriage in the US has been pretty consistent at mid 20's or so. And has been that way in general since the 1500's in Europe.

And as for hot takes on Twitter? It was a coordinated effort and not one exclusive to Twitter, several typical media sites ran to bat for Cuties as well as to attack the audience as sexist for wanting Faye Valentine to be authentic. Who the fuck cares about boycotts?

 

[Marissa Moira]

That's a lot of conjecture there. How do you figure they saw the man they were to marry as a father figure when it was likely their father who arranged the marriage? Not only that most arranged marriages were to similar aged individuals. It was quite unusual to have a particularly older man married to a child bride. Unless of course we're talking Islamic nations, but they collect wives over there like Pokemon. In fact the average age of marriage in the US has been pretty consistent at mid 20's or so. And has been that way in general since the 1500's in Europe.

And as for hot takes on Twitter? It was a coordinated effort and not one exclusive to Twitter, several typical media sites ran to bat for Cuties as well as to attack the audience as sexist for wanting Faye Valentine to be authentic. Who the fuck cares about boycotts?

Mormons when they first started went full retard on collecting as many pre-teen wives as humanly possible. It's why people chased them out and they finally found Utah because nobody was there.

But yes child bride marriages do wind up with the man acting as the father figure. Hell, Tale of Genji lays it all out in spades with wanting to take Murasaki and mold her into his ideal woman.

 

[SiccDicc]

Mormons when they first started went full retard on collecting as many pre-teen wives as humanly possible. It's why people chased them out and they finally found Utah because nobody was there.

But yes child bride marriages do wind up with the man acting as the father figure. Hell, Tale of Genji lays it all out in spades with wanting to take Murasaki and mold her into his ideal woman.

I like to think of Mormons as on the same level of Islamic nations, if I'm gonna be honest. They certainly were as bloody.

Also that's not a father figure. Now the husband would be taking a place of authority, but that doesn't automatically equate to father figure. Fathers don't groom their daughters to be their ideal brides. Child brides are something creeps and incels latch onto to create their ideal woman that will never leave them or - in the case of Lolita - try to recapture the love of a lost woman, granted the latter fellow became a stepfather to his target but I assure you his intentions were anything but paternal. Lolita didn't see the guy as a father figure and I don't think Murasaki saw Genji as a father figure. Even then the Tale of Genji is a fictitious telling akin to 1,001 Arabian Nights. The story just went on and on for as long as she could tell it. Did nobles act that way? Sure, why do you think Oda burned down all the monks? It wasn't to be a father figure or even take on that role, though.

 

[BananaSplit]

@SiccDicc why are you trying to debate with the idiot who fancies himself as a mature "le neutral" intellectual but sucks sony executives' cocks harder than a whore on crack?
Should have just let the stupid argument at "they're just drawings lmao", point out his profile anime avatar, or just plainly ignore him (what I've been currently doing since the guy is a master at shifting goalposts until the initial point is lost)

Also some korean MMO "Lost Ark" got localized/censored in the West



Additionally, the Key's visual novel Rewrite+ was pre-emptively censored by SekaiProject for the main reason the company feared the game would have been rejected by Steam. Refunds are available but it's still a shame the censorship was revealed at the very last moment for people who backed up the translation project.

Update 28: Steam keys are going out + Announcement about content changes · Digital & Physical Release of the Visual Novel, Rewrite+!

Hi all, Be on the lookout for an email from BackerKit containing your Steam key for Rewrite+! Now about the other subject in the title. Okay, before we go in to details we know there's lot of opinions on why you should or shouldn't change game content to make it acceptable for platform holders...

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[SiccDicc]

@SiccDicc why are you trying to debate with the idiot who fancies himself as a mature "le neutral" intellectual but sucks sony executives' cocks harder than a whore on crack?
Should have just let the stupid argument at "they're just drawings lmao", point out his profile anime avatar, or just plainly ignore him (what I've been currently doing since the guy is a master at shifting goalposts until the initial point is lost)

I get to learn more about him this way.

With his idea of what father figures are... it kind of reminds me of someone else that thinks any father taking an active role in his daughter's life means that father wants to fuck them, that guy lived in Hong Kong though.

EDIT: I don't really even dislike Moira because I can agree with him on things. Just because he acts like an idiot with this shit doesn't really change that.

Also some korean MMO "Lost Ark" got localized/censored in the West
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Yeah, they were saying they were gonna diversify the game from the start. The funniest thing is that the Community Manager said they weren't gonna censor the sexiness. He was very adamant about that. Whoops.