Culture Wars General - KiA Diet Coke Edition

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Marissa Moira said:
You're going to need to a bit more specific on an actual product camapign then.

Because companies have done stuff like breast cancer awareness for decades and other branding things for different causes.
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I was specific. They don't mention the product.

Your examples they would still try to sell a whopper with it. It's just in pink wrapping or a rainbow flag of processed excrement. They don't do that anymore. They just show some bullshit story, no mention or showing of the product.
 
SiccDicc said:
I was specific. They don't mention the product.

Your examples they would still try to sell a whopper with it. It's just in pink wrapping or a rainbow flag of processed excrement. They don't do that anymore. They just show some bullshit story, no mention or showing of the product.
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If you mean stuff similar to the Stonetoss "Burgers?!" comic, they still mention the product. It's a similar form to existing abstract or surreal advertising where you get a very strange seemingly thematically unrelated ad to a product. Like the Old Spice Commercials with Terry Crews. It's to get you to talk about the ad and think about it after the commercial is over, like a mental aftertaste.

I mean you're not buying air, there has to be some sort of goods exchanged for currency.
 
Marissa Moira said:
If you mean stuff similar to the Stonetoss "Burgers?!" comic, they still mention the product. It's a similar form to existing abstract or surreal advertising where you get a very strange seemingly unrelated ad to a product. Like the Old Spice Commercials with Terry Crews. It's to get you to talk about the ad and think about it after the commercial is over, like a mental aftertaste.

I mean you're not buying air, there has to be some sort of goods exchanged for currency.
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Except those Terry Crews ads still showed the product. He'd even be holding it.
 
SiccDicc said:
Except those Terry Crews ads still showed the product. He'd even be holding it.
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I was just using that as an example but they both behave in a similar fashion.

Like say you're out with a group of people and you mention that "Mcdonalds showed two fags kissing I'm not going there again it made me fucking puke" well you said it in a public area, so people around you are going to grab their phones and look up the ad. You have therefore delivered the desired outcome of spreading the ad around and having it gain attention. It doesn't matter if the attention is good or bad because the companies are able to gather more feedback and data from any sort of attention.

It's literally the same way how memes get spread around.
 
Marissa Moira said:
I was just using that as an example but they both behave in a similar fashion.

Like say you're out with a group of people and you mention that "Mcdonalds showed two fags kissing I'm not going there again it made me fucking puke" well you said it in a public area, so people around you are going to grab their phones and look up the ad. You have therefore delivered the desired outcome of spreading the ad around and having it gain attention. It doesn't matter if the attention is good or bad because the companies are able to gather more feedback and data from any sort of attention.

It's literally the same way how memes get spread around.
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They don't really behave in any similar fashion. One is just random bullshit like the Quizno's roadkill and the other has express purpose to send a political message. Also the Quizno's roadkill also showed the sandwiches.

And contrary to popular belief, bad PR is still bad. It's not good. Look at how Santa Inc. is tanking. The only reason it has a season is strictly cronyism which was also my initial complaint. It's why they'll keep getting shows despite hemorrhaging money. These people do not operate on selling the product, they operate on sending propaganda. This was not how it was originally. They would still focus on selling the burger. They would still try to tie their product to a cause by saying "Buy X and support Y". They don't do that anymore. You're right that it's about getting the ad out there, but it's not to sell the product as it was. It's strictly to get that stupid message out there. That's what has changed.
 
SiccDicc said:
They don't really behave in any similar fashion. One is just random bullshit like the Quizno's roadkill and the other has express purpose to send a political message. Also the Quizno's roadkill also showed the sandwiches.

And contrary to popular belief, bad PR is still bad. It's not good. Look at how Santa Inc. is tanking. The only reason it has a season is strictly cronyism which was also my initial complaint. It's why they'll keep getting shows despite hemorrhaging money. These people do not operate on selling the product, they operate on sending propaganda. This was not how it was originally. They would still focus on selling the burger. They would still try to tie their product to a cause by saying "Buy X and support Y". They don't do that anymore. You're right that it's about getting the ad out there, but it's not to sell the product as it was. It's strictly to get that stupid message out there. That's what has changed.
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Americans are less tolerant of people with opposing political views than they are about people of different races at this point in time.

So it makes sense for politics to be at the forefront, it gets the loudest reaction. The marketing team doesn't care that people are talking good or bad about the ad, simply that people are talking and that it's trending. And overwhelming negative reaction means they get to position themselves as the little guy fighting this big goliath of hatred. Which in turn leads to more ads.

 
Marissa Moira said:
Americans are less tolerant of people with opposing political views than they are about people of different races at this point in time.

So it makes sense for politics to be at the forefront, it gets the loudest reaction. The marketing team doesn't care that people are talking good or bad about the ad, simply that people are talking and that it's trending. And overwhelming negative reaction means they get to position themselves as the little guy fighting this big goliath of hatred. Which in turn leads to more ads.
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And yet it hurts the bottom line. Again, the suits don't care because it doesn't hurt their paycheck or their bonuses. It doesn't personally affect them in the least -- they can just fire someone to offset. Once it does, though, they're gone. If you at any point intrude on their bubble, you're in deep shit. Like that guy that laid off 900 people and all of the inclusivity department to boot.

And again, I don't disagree about it trending. I disagree that it's about selling a product. It's strictly the message at this point. Suits being stupid enough to not check if the marketing department is lying to them is something else entirely.
 
Marissa Moira said:
You're wrong about 13 sentinels not being acknowledged, it had pretty big advertising on the playstation store when it came out and became one of vanillaware's highest selling games. It got a shitlload of merch too. Vanilaware isn't doing the port, it's Atlus. Atlus is also porting Shin megami tensei 5 to PS4/PS5 for much the same reasons, because they can due to no more existing limited exclusivity agreement. 13 sentinels sold around half a million units and Dragon's Crown only reached a little under a million and that was after the PS3,Vita, and PS4 port.

Falcom is bringing development in house because thewy're more than likely doing what Spike Chun-soft did and are going to be a global publisher themselves. Sony has been working with Falcom for the full season of the Legend of Heroes TV series. Which they are also directly funding. This is more or less so Falcom can essentially do what larger companies like Square Enix does in the near future.


What drives third parties towards playstation is that they help fund the games, which is something that nintendo doesn't do for the vast majority. As long as sony keeps giving them cash, they'll keep coming. That's happened since the original playstation and they never stopped that, there's zero ideological reasons.


You keep pushing the very dishonest line about the PS5 being a commercial flop, but at this point it's surpassed the lifetime sales of the wii-u globally. Sony would need to have an Olympus sized scandal to be hiding numbers to such a large extent. The PS4 didn;t even resale in Japan until well after the US launch and it released in the US in 2013 and 2014 in Japan. The PS3 only sold 3-4 million in it's first year and that went on to sell 90 million. For the PS5 to be worse than the PS4 this would mean over 10 million systems are being held up in a void and not being turned on. There's scalping but people are paying the high prices because demand would have died out if there was zero demand like the PS3. The PS5 has been out a full year and it's still selling out. That's not what a commercial flop does.

Your entire personification of the whole situation is wrong. When Nintendo decides to step in and directly fund a mirrad of different shit, that would be a more equal situation, but they haven't. They're still pushing their first party games over everything else.


Actually no, the Senran kagura Games had most of the stuff made by Tamsoft who seemed to do the Lion's share worth of work when it came to programming and stuff like that.

Tamsoft didn't suffer such a loss of talent
https://youtube.com/watch?v=o8NXDtObwe0
Marvelous made a bunch of very retarded decisions and by 2019-2020 they were bought up by a Chiense company. Them spending all that money on the Akiba dub really did fuck them for years.
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Rather silly of you to phrase the ps4 release dates like you did. A whole year apart? wowzers.

Or you know, about 2 months.

NA: Nov 15 2013
JP: Feb 22 2014
 
Marissa Moira said:
That's nearly a whole corporate quarter. Quarter 4 ends at the end of december and quarter 1 ends at the end of march.
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A fiscal year it might not line up like that or have to be reported as such if their FY2007 is ending in May or whatever. And thanks for taking my shitpost in good spirit, but don't try to win everything by shifting the goalposts until you're arguing a point long since forgotten with user number 10 after everyone else gave up.
 
SiccDicc said:
And yet it hurts the bottom line. Again, the suits don't care because it doesn't hurt their paycheck or their bonuses. It doesn't personally affect them in the least
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There's also this rating investors use called the "Environmental Social Governing score" that's based on how progressive a company is, which incentivizes the companies to be more progressive to get more investors.
 
InsolentGaylord said:
Which long run won't help them if their consumers become apathetic and decide to go elsewhere.
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Where else can they go? The consumers complaining about this lack any capacity to create a product that isn't progressive and have the resources to preserve their business. Being a private company like Valve is tough as you have to ready your legal teams for any attempts to take you down.

The last time we saw attempts to break the stranglehold massive media giants havenon video games end miserably. OAG went insane and Niche got called out Gematsu for plagiarism because Orselli had no business connections
 
BrokenWokenBespoken said:
Where else can they go? The consumers complaining about this lack any capacity to create a product that isn't progressive and have the resources to preserve their business. Being a private company like Valve is tough as you have to ready your legal teams for any attempts to take you down.

The last time we saw attempts to break the stranglehold massive media giants havenon video games end miserably. OAG went insane and Niche got called out Gematsu for plagiarism because Orselli had no business connections
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OAG was literally not even trying and many of those journalist sites are losing popularity still to this day.
 
InsolentGaylord said:
OAG was literally not even trying and many of those journalist sites are losing popularity still to this day.
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It doesn’t matter if you get a credit for almost zero percent interest then you rather post about the oppressed trans women and there you go. New invested money and your problems are solved until next year.
Ever seen the stories of banks cancelling some clients accounts after they positioned themselves politically that the woke does not agree with? Think you’ll get new big investors if your social credit is low easily?
 
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