Joshua Wise & Stephen Boyd Cryzel Torture

[Zebedee]

So, @The American Hedgehog, @neural @Marvin and @The Captain, you do realize that there are still yet many, many unanswered questions and things unusual that have still not been brought back up?

Jack Z and the $1600? What became of that? Why did we at the time go after him when all he did was give a large sum of his disposable income?

This is why I'm still kinda apprehensive about this whole Scam/Saga. I certainly agree that this was atrocious, but something just doesn't seem right to me about this. There just... seems to be much more going on. Beyond "Idea People."

I blame the excess attention from Pewdiepie's decades late introduction, fucking weens galore ever since.

(Ok when was that word filtered? Bit out of the loop)

 

[Mason Verger]

Jack Z and the $1600? What became of that? Why did we at the time go after him when all he did was give a large sum of his disposable income?

Because he and Lucas, a mean spirited little sperg, had every intention of making Chris dance for the money via some cringey SAWesqe videos. Then they both socked on here to brag about it.

Those guys were like a JV version of what Wise and Boyde were doing. I genuinely consider Lucas as bad as Wise, he just had a dumber plan.

 

[Darndirty]

You fail to understand that $6000 is a larger portion of someone's money if they live off peanuts to begin with.

Shit 6k is alot of money for anyone, even for someone comfortable. Yeah Bill Gates might not miss it but 6k is a few months work for most people.

 

[Pepito The Cat]

I don't think I'll be able to express everything I want to without making it a long ass post who few will bother to read. I'll just add what I wrote several times already: Chris needs a wrangler. 24/7.

 

[Done]

Because he and Lucas, a mean spirited little sperg, had every intention of making Chris dance for the money via some cringey SAWesqe videos. Then they both socked on here to brag about it.

Those guys were like a JV version of what Wise and Boyde were doing. I genuinely consider Lucas as bad as Wise, he just had a dumber plan.

I genuinely forgot about that part, the autism got a bit much and I switched off, thanks for the reminder dude.

@TrippinKahlua Lucas' thread is here, to me, it's only further proof that those who torment Chris are far, far funnier than he is currently: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lucas...ntent-johnny-ray-bucchi-rimjob-bob-etc.25832/

 

[Mason Verger]

I genuinely forgot about that part, the autism got a bit much and I switched off, thanks for the reminder dude.

@TrippinKahlua Lucas' thread is here, to me, it's only further proof that those who torment Chris are far, far funnier than he is currently: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lucas...ntent-johnny-ray-bucchi-rimjob-bob-etc.25832/

That was a weird fucking plot with a lot of obtuse angles that me and a few others went knuckle deep on.

When I first heard murmurs of this whole extortion scheme, I would've bet money that these guys were behind it. I found it hard to believe that there was two or three separate crews of autists all fucking with Chris at the same time, but I guess that really was the case.

 

[Frank_Jaeger]

I read the chatlog, where exactly does Chris paying them $6000 come into play? I'm more confused than before

Edit: Uh, sorry, I didn't read the other thread on Joshua Wise, I am dumb

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Because he and Lucas, a mean spirited little sperg, had every intention of making Chris dance for the money via some cringey SAWesqe videos. Then they both socked on here to brag about it.

Those guys were like a JV version of what Wise and Boyde were doing. I genuinely consider Lucas as bad as Wise, he just had a dumber plan.

And of course, my point always flies over peoples head. I never try to be blunt with my opinions because I know I can sound offensive and not know it.

My point is, Jack Z was a wild goose chase.

 

[MightyBiteySnake]

I've got nothing original to add but I'll say it anyway: If you're roleplaying as an animu waifu who tortures an autistic man's imaginary friends to extort money from him and get off you're a fucking loser.

18/04/20 23:37:33 <Christine> Why don’t you go play some NES Duck Hunt, and let that dog laugh at you?

18/04/21 0:00:07 <Christine> The only way you would be Truly Spot-On with that impression is if you went outside and let yourself be hit by an 18-Wheeler, right to the face and breasts.

But I must admit that chris's goofy insults did put a smile on my face. At least he kinda stood up for himself here and there.

 

[Done]

And of course, my point always flies over peoples head. I never try to be blunt with my opinions because I know I can sound offensive and not know it.

lol.

My point is, Jack Z was a wild goose chase.

How so? Jack Z was proven to be fucking with Chris by making him into his own puppet, he brought anime autism (namely JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) into things, in fact, his autism been brought up by Chris in the OP's convo log, hope you can stomach Wise's RP autism, I know I couldn't handle all the cringe in the OP:

18/04/21 0:32:17 <Christine> By the way, does the name “Dio Brando” mean anything to y’all?
18/04/21 0:33:12 <Christine> Or the term, “Stand User”?
18/04/21 0:33:35 <Joshua Wise> Dio Brando?
18/04/21 0:36:56 <Joshua Wise> Why?
18/04/21 0:38:44 <Joshua Wise> He died a long time ago.
18/04/21 0:39:30 <Joshua Wise> Leave that Jojo shit outta this conversation, fatty.
18/04/21 0:39:56 <Joshua Wise> *Kicks Cryzel down the stairs too*
18/04/21 0:45:31 <Stephen Boyd> Why would such a forsaken name be brought up my child?
18/04/21 0:48:16 <Stephen Boyd> Christine answer me o be forsaken youself.
18/04/21 1:23:10 <Joshua Wise> Chris went to go drink butter.
18/04/21 1:23:54 <Christine> I do not drink butter
18/04/21 1:24:14 <Joshua Wise> There he is after his butter coma.
18/04/21 1:25:03 <Joshua Wise> What do you think, Cryzel~?
18/04/21 1:25:10 <Joshua Wise> *she wheezes*
18/04/21 1:25:10 <Christine> Anyway, I do not know that individual; the name was told to me by a a fan, that this Dio was trolling me.
18/04/21 1:25:19 <Christine> Cryzel!
18/04/21 1:25:24 <Joshua Wise> Hold up.
18/04/21 1:25:28 <Joshua Wise> *Dio*
18/04/21 1:25:54 <Joshua Wise> How is Dio trolling you?
18/04/21 1:27:10 <Christine> From what I had heard, something about”Stand Power, “The World”” to screw things up for me.
18/04/21 1:27:39 <Joshua Wise> Odd
18/04/21 1:28:23 <Christine> Yes. That is all I know of that individual.
18/04/21 1:28:40 <Joshua Wise> Who is the fan that told you this?
18/04/21 1:29:41 <Christine> The one who sent me the $650 recently, his name is Jack, from New York, with a few friends; told me they were all on my side. Jack is autistic too.
18/04/21 1:30:35 <Christine> He also mentions that this Dio is the main Troll they found.
18/04/21 1:30:51 <Joshua Wise> I think they’re trolling you.
18/04/21 1:31:08 <Joshua Wise> The only Dio of that name died a looooong time ago.
18/04/21 1:31:19 <Joshua Wise> You are right though.
18/04/21 1:31:52 <Joshua Wise> He *is* autistic if he paid you $650 just to attend an event he could laugh at you from.
18/04/21 1:32:09 <Joshua Wise> $650
18/04/21 1:32:25 <Joshua Wise> That’s almost $1000.
18/04/21 1:32:51 <Joshua Wise> There’s lots of better ways he could have spent that money.
18/04/21 1:32:58 <Joshua Wise> But *trolling*?
18/04/21 1:33:10 <Joshua Wise> Just wow.
18/04/21 1:34:32 <Stephen Boyd> Tell this Jack to wire you two grand to see if "The World" is in motion. -Gwen
18/04/21 1:34:43 <Stephen Boyd> I found Alan Moore on my home terminal.
18/04/21 1:35:05 <Christine> Also, I looked on my Twitter, someone named “Jailhouse Rui” said that I needed my Cutie Mark or Sonichu to be able to stand against the World’s ability, as “A Stand User can only be defeated by another Stand User.”

 

[Mason Verger]

How so? Jack Z was proven to be fucking with Chris by making him into his own puppet, he brought anime autism (namely JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) into things, in fact, his autism been brought up by Chris in the OP's convo log, hope you can stomach Wise's RP autism, I know I couldn't handle all the cringe in the OP:

Yeah exactly, plus jack z led to Lucas, and Lucas was doing some dark shit. Getting barb to overdraw checks by posing as the mortgage company, getting Chris's hopes up by claiming to have sorbet, all those school shooter shout outs.

Not to mention, their big crescendo revolved around a bronycon meet-up. So who knows, they may still have some irons in the fire.

 

[zap2theextreme]

Chris comes across like that one nerdy kid that sits at the lunch table with all the bullies and takes the abuse because his alternative is eating in the men's room. very sad

 

[Urban Superstition]

While legal action is being processed, shouldn't we just turn Wise and Boyd into lolcows? We already know one of them makes shitty Gmod loli comics, and they enjoy badly roleplaying as edgy sadistic lolis. Who knows what else they're up to?

 

[TrippinKahlua]

How so? Jack Z was proven to be fucking with Chris by making him into his own puppet, he brought anime autism (namely JoJo's Bizarre Adventure) into things, in fact, his autism been brought up by Chris in the OP's convo log, hope you can stomach Wise's RP autism, I know I couldn't handle all the cringe in the OP:

I've elaborated on what I mean by "Wild Goose Chase" in another thread because Jack Z was one of several, but I'll respond to this by saying that as it stands nothing has even been done about Jack Z's current (yes, current) trolling scheme.

He gave $1,600 to Chris to meet him at Bronycon. Has Bronycon happened yet? Do we really expect Jack Jankowski won't actually show up? I'm seriously fucking worried about Bronycon. Chris's gonna be carted off if nothing else for the fact that he's talking to Cryzel and Magi-Chan in front of MLP actors as if they are the cartoon angel and demon on his shoulders. That's Idea Guys fault. Yes. I admit that. But what if its Jack Z's fault? Jack Z could've been in on it the whole time. But we do not know that.

But guess what guys? Do you, in all honest, think I don't use social media too? Hell, I certainly do not think I need to come back here with my own hoarded content over simple questions I ask characters like Jack, Copitz, even JQ just because I'm curious as to "why" and they legitly answer me.

 

[Marvin]

Look I am with @CWCissey on this one, Chris does need some kind of assisted living facility that he will hate at first but once they give him some structure and he adjusts it will just become the new normal for him.

No, Chris will be miserable indefinitely. Autistic people being known for being "fond for routines" isn't literal, in the sense that you can offer them a routine and they'll love it. It just means they function well with predictability.

Right now, Chris is a free adult. He can drive where ever he wants. He can plan and control his life. (Whatever is left after Barb, anyway.) He can do whatever he wants. Constraining that would be a horrible, permanent blow to his quality of life.

It might be what's necessary, but let's not sugarcoat it.

Who else here is fucking shocked the he even had that kind of money to begin with? I still can't wrap my head around that. Maybe it was all cwcki bullshit, but I was under the impression that Chris was living a zero net gain business model.

Chris is decent with his money. I've been saying it forever but no one listens to me. Chris has been managing his money on his own, since 2011, since Bob died. He knows how to scare up money in a pinch.

I agree that it might be worth seeing if he’s eligible just in case, maybe alternatively there’s some techniques a specialist in autism can teach Chris for life coping skills but that’s probally a bit optimistic, the main issue is to quote Chris autistic people are a “Window into hell” for him and I imagine he’d protest and you can’t exactly force him to go into a group home.

No one seems to be able to read shit in context. Chris doesn't literally hate autistic people.

As we’ve seen in the court cases Chris, alongside other autistic people like him seem to be in a legal limbo since they’re technically mentally competent adults since autism is a neurological disorder and not a mental illness and from what I understand having it excludes him from being diagnosed with conditions like schizotypal personality disorder since the symptoms overlap, even though Chris’s magical thinking seems to be far more extensive than the average autistic person.

That's not why Chris is legally an adult. There's no technicality here. Everyone in the US is a legal adult by the time they turn 18. Someone, usually a private individual, needs to go out of their way (substantially out of the way) to take that away. The government doesn't just go around snagging retards and tattooing "mentally deficient, refer to handler" on their foreheads.

To play devils advocate couldn’t either of these people just play the autism card (I’m assuming both Joshua and Stephen are autistic) and claim they thought it was consensual roleplaying with bdsm themes (Hence Chris sending them money/making videos)?

No. The US is not particularly fond of "diminished responsibility", especially when the crimes are as blatant as this one.

One of the funniest things about all this to me is how much we're emphasizing "IF" the police and the law do their job.

Sure I'd like to see justice brought to Wise and Boyd, but what's with all the pessimism and belief that Chris is SERIOUS business? Its like the very same mindset Chris himself has always had, where its "Its something that has to do with me, ITS IMPORTANT."

No, getting any internet crime like this prosecuted takes legwork. It's not that Chris is important, it's that no one's important, and the flip side is that any time there's a prosecution for a vague internet crime like this, it only happens by people pushing it along.

The case itself is a slam dunk case.

Getting it prosecuted will take just pestering the right people enough. It's not that it's certain, but it's also not particularly likely that it won't get picked up. It's a "definite maybe".

So, @The American Hedgehog, @neural @Marvin and @The Captain, you do realize that there are still yet many, many unanswered questions and things unusual that have still not been brought back up?

Jack Z and the $1600? What became of that? Why did we at the time go after him when all he did was give a large sum of his disposable income?

This is why I'm still kinda apprehensive about this whole Scam/Saga. I certainly agree that this was atrocious, but something just doesn't seem right to me about this. There just... seems to be much more going on. Beyond "Idea People."

You're a mongoloid.

And of course, my point always flies over peoples head. I never try to be blunt with my opinions because I know I can sound offensive and not know it.

Your point didn't "fly over anyone's head", you're just inarticulate.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

Your point didn't "fly over anyone's head", you're just inarticulate.

Yep, you got that right. Coming from an Island where English is supposed to be your official language, but broken English is abound, W & V are the same, "Oi" is pronounced "Er" so we fill our cars with "Errl", shit like that.

You're a mongoloid.

I spent 32 years as a half-retarded person who's been ostracized and had to go to Special Education. Just like Chris was supposed to be in 1994. Trust me buddy, I've gotten far worse name calls than that. I post and think the way I do because I DO see myself in Chris's shoes. That's why I support people attempting to reach out to him. Why I White Knighted Jessica. Why I laughed retardedly hard at the BLARMS shit when Axiom was thought to have been "ruining" Chris chan and when Garbage Man was cleaning out burtned up 14BLC.

Like I said somewhere else, I look beyond all the autism. And why? Because of what you thought of as an insult. Because I am a mongoloid.

 

[Marvin]

I spent 32 years as a half-retarded person who's been ostracized and had to go to Special Education. Just like Chris was supposed to be in 1994. Trust me buddy, I've gotten far worse name calls than that. I post and think the way I do because I DO see myself in Chris's shoes. That's why I support people attempting to reach out to him. Why I White Knighted Jessica. Why I laughed retardedly hard at the BLARMS shit when Axiom was thought to have been "ruining" Chris chan and when Garbage Man was cleaning out burtned up 14BLC.

Like I said somewhere else, I look beyond all the autism. And why? Because of what you thought of as an insult. Because I am a mongoloid.

So, I'll elaborate. You said "many, many unanswered questions". Technically speaking, there'll always be an endless fractal of "unanswered questions", because someone can always request more and more detail. When someone asks for clarification for something that's obvious to everyone else, they're just being autistic.

Jack Z fell into the same category that a lot of people did. People trying to cozy up to Chris with dubious intentions and little concern for their dox. That's not a substantial unanswered question, and it's definitely not related to the current issue.

Asking that question is just sperging.

Then you went into a weird tangent about... there being more to the idea guy stuff than meets the eye?

 

[TrippinKahlua]

So, I'll elaborate. You said "many, many unanswered questions". Technically speaking, there'll always be an endless fractal of "unanswered questions", because someone can always request more and more detail. When someone asks for clarification for something that's obvious to everyone else, they're just being autistic.

Jack Z fell into the same category that a lot of people did. People trying to cozy up to Chris with dubious intentions and little concern for their dox. That's not a substantial unanswered question, and it's definitely not related to the current issue.

Asking that question is just sperging.

My concern isn't Jack Z himself. It's that he was a part of the distractions of why we couldn't figure out "Idea Guy 2" wasn't any second coming at all, but was really Joshua Wise. Jack Z falls into my own category along with TingTingz, Copitz and even Justin Silverman.

So. Fucking. What. If he gave $1600 to Chris to meet him at Bronycon? That basic fact alone hasn't changed. That's my "Unanswered Question" Marv. Is Jack Jankowski actually still going to Bronycon? He might've been planning to go anyway. Is it gonna work that you're gonna ban someone for potentially being there to troll one out of many convention guests?

Copitz could've been treated exactly the same way, but he played his cards right, DIDN'T tell and announce to us that he was gonna ring Chris's doorbell. If he did announce that he would've been floored with posts about how he SHOULDN'T do that, and get instant threats to get his dox.

TingTingz was just another sympathizer who just happened to be female. And of course, she is threatened with dox because of her poop touching.

Meanwhile, all this time, you got Chris shitting on the floor, punching his mother, and I frankly don't even really want to know the full extent of the hours and days worth of shit until the CWCki is there to summarize it all for me. I've never been into reading entire chats.

But how we've all let this sneak past our noses is astonishing to me. I'm sorry I'm sperging so much, but I'm just angry over it, we all are. But my Birthday was on TMG and it was just sad to see that happen to Chris. I need more and more answers.

Then you went into a weird tangent about... there being more to the idea guy stuff than meets the eye?

Okay, I'll try to say this as coherently as possible. Why did it take so long for us to realize Wise and Boyd were back?

 

[Mason Verger]

Okay, I'll try to say this as coherently as possible. Why did it take so long for us to realize Wise and Boyd were back?

That's an "us" problem, not a "Marvin" problem.

I know it seems like I got Marvin's cum on my chin, but go back a read the "OMG Chris is a prostitute now!" Thread. Marvin lays out a "hypothetical" that is pretty much this entire situation. And you don't have to be inner-circle PVCC to get it, you just have to pay attention. I pay attention.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

That's an "us" problem, not a "Marvin" problem.

I know it seems like I got Marvin's cum on my chin, but go back a read the "OMG Chris is a prostitute now!" Thread. Marvin lays out a "hypothetical" that is pretty much this entire situation. And you don't have to be inner-circle PVCC to get it, you just have to pay attention. I pay attention.

I agree. I mentioned this before, but I become way too busy from March to August. That's what its like in tourism. I only just recently got an iPhone for the first time in my life so I never always 100% have internet. I don't have the time to read each and every post in all the threads, I always try to read Marvin posts, but never have too much time to really think about it. 80% of my day involves working in the hot 100 degree sun standing up. I can't always worry about everything.

Especially since this whole thing was a blindsight. Joshua Wise was thought to be long gone. That's why I'm so mad about all this.