Crypto company deathwatch thread

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Speaking of Brave and its Basic Attention Token (BAT) cryptocurrency:
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Well shit, and this was the one case that actually created a crypto economy since the tokens did move around instead of just staying on wallets until it was dump time
I don't know anything about crypto, but if crypto completely collapses (and I think it is very possible) what implications are we talking about?
Heard some canuck retirement fund was dumb enough to invest in some defi shit, no doubt there are many other investment fund who did the same shit

They're probably gonna get fucked like the retirement funds that put everything on the dotcom bubble
 
Speaking of Brave and its Basic Attention Token (BAT) cryptocurrency:
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I said it before and I'll say it again, I feel like BAT is limited since its still a ETH token so at the end of the day its somewhat pegged to the price of ETH.
I still think it'll live so long as Brave does, but I expect no major change unless a few things are added/changed to the browser or ETH moons again.
 
I mean, all of crypto is tied to the price of BTC at the end of the day, so being an ETH token doesn't mean much, when most chains are EVM compatible on some level.

And betting against Brandon Eich never tends to work out

Looks like blockfi lives for another day, Bailed out by FTX

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Speaking of FTX bailouts:
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Voyager has already lied to their customers by saying they had no exposure to stETH and DeFi lending, while they had lended hundreds of millions of dollars to 3AC which was heavily involved in both. I don't see the point in letting them live. Let it sink, Sam, unless you're just being a shark and setting the stage for a takeover.
 
Speaking of FTX bailouts:

Voyager has already lied to their customers by saying they had no exposure to stETH and DeFi lending, while they had lended hundreds of millions of dollars to 3AC which was heavily involved in both. I don't see the point in letting them live. Let it sink, Sam, unless you're just being a shark and setting the stage for a takeover.
I'll give them sort of a pass. 3AC could have operated as a traditional crypto hedge fund: Buy stuff pre ico, dump on ico launch, keep some back as a hedge, make your easy 10x. Before defi existed, that was more or less their business model. Their books were closed, and I'm not surprised that people didn't expect them to be leveraged to the tits in defi. They lasted a decade, so people expected them not to be THAT retarded.

But, in regards to Sam, his view point is, it is morally ethical to make as much money as you can to donate it away. He is getting his pound of flesh.
If these companies go under, is there any risk the coins/tokens will be lost forever?
Well they aren't getting burned, someone is getting them and if you know the wallets you can watch them move (how that couple got burned from an old hack - you can't hide moving that much money). Just not the people who bought them originally.
 
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Well they aren't getting burned, someone is getting them and if you know the wallets you can watch them move (how that couple got burned from an old hack - you can't hide moving that much money). Just not the people who bought them originally.
I mean more the company loses the keys during its bankruptcy. Its a bit more difficult to lose access to a company's money when banks are holding it and can freely transfer it.
 
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If your entire business model security was based on long text strings to unlock all the funds, I would not believe any company in the world didn't have redundant backups of all the multisig keys (Multi-sig = instead of having 1 key to 1 wallet, you have X keys to the wallet and you need a certain proportion of them, generally more than 50%)

Nexo seems to now be in DFE mode

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SBF getting tired of being the only lender of last resort?

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Galaxy Digital VC guy Mike Novogratz got a Luna tattoo a few months before it collapsed. To his credit, he hasn't deleted the tweet and said that he will keep the tattoo as a painful lesson. The tattoo would still be complete shit even if it wasn't now a memorial to a failed shitcoin, of course.

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Wheezing canaries failing to explain use cases for web3, "It's x, but on the blockchain!" :



 
At this time, what companies are expected to survive this crash? Any of them at all?
I think it'll be the ones who offered stupidly high earn/stake rewards even on crypto that don't come with them built in like luna and terra did, in fact I'm starting to eye Gemini and Binance slightly since unless I'm mistaken those two offer at least some APY on a lot more different currencies then most exchanges do.
 
Wheezing canaries failing to explain use cases for web3, "It's x, but on the blockchain!"
Most of this site points to archives on a 3rd party website that we hope doesn't go down. Figuring out a way to move that to the blockchain seems like it would be a pretty good use case.

You can argue about the feasiblity if you want, but there are a lot of people who want stuff on here gone, and its roughly a single point of failure. Replicating it across however many nodes? Well, that becomes about as permanent record you can get.

I think it'll be the ones who offered stupidly high earn/stake rewards
Eh, if you're going to be going just by "Rewards are higher than what I can get at a bank and on par with an index fund" it really isn't that good a way to look at it. The basic idea of where these rewards come from a cut of the fees for providing liquidity. You have to know how the fees are coming from. Loaning out 1000 cash for 3% is a very different proposition than putting that same 1000 in a liquidity pool smart contract for .3% of fees in a liquidity pool that is doing X volume in a day and you have Y% a share in it. At a certain point of volume you will be better served by the loan, at another the LP smart contract will blow it out of the water.

To illustrate, here's Curve, generally a reputable joint, has been around for years at this point.
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Its showing various pools: Its token + token (+tokens if neccessary) their rate, the daily volume, and how much that is in that pool.
In the one I highlighted, its 4 stable coins, so theres no meaningful IL, and you have a base rate of 7.36 that comes from the basic idea I've described, a bonus of CRV, because that pool is close to the line of Total value locked (TVL) vs volume, and an extra +.78% because they must have a deal with SNX for something or other.

This isn't depositing your money to a bank and getting intrest on the fees they make from loans. This is depositing your money in the Dow Jones, and getting a cut of all the trader fees.
 
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Galaxy Digital VC guy Mike Novogratz got a Luna tattoo a few months before it collapsed. To his credit, he hasn't deleted the tweet and said that he will keep the tattoo as a painful lesson. The tattoo would still be complete shit even if it wasn't now a memorial to a failed shitcoin, of course.

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What's worse is that you could pass it off as a furry / alt hipster tattoo and people wouldn't even question it
 
Looks like blockfi lives for another day, Bailed out by FTX
Ponzis bailing out ponzis. That's what Meshinsky is going to try with "Celsius 2". Make a new ponzi to bail out the old one.
 

Goldman Sachs Leading Investor Group to Buy Celsius Assets: Sources​

The Wall Street firm is seeking $2 billion in commitments from investors to buy distressed assets at steep discounts if the crypto lender goes bankrupt.​


Goldman Sachs is preparing to purchase Celsius assets out of bankruptcy, meaning it’s very likely to happen and the depositors will only see a small fraction of their money returned, and not for years.
Citibank and the restructuring lawyers Celsius hired both recommended they file for bankruptcy, so it’s over. People lost billions over this scam, it’s sad really.
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Most of this site points to archives on a 3rd party website that we hope doesn't go down. Figuring out a way to move that to the blockchain seems like it would be a pretty good use case.

You can argue about the feasiblity if you want, but there are a lot of people who want stuff on here gone, and its roughly a single point of failure. Replicating it across however many nodes? Well, that becomes about as permanent record you can get.
I agree that using the blockchain to store data could be a good solution for preventing data loss. However, I think there are also some potential drawbacks to this approach. For one, it would likely be very expensive to store all of the data on the blockchain. Additionally, if the original site goes down, then people would still not be able to access the data stored on the blockchain (unless they have a copy of it).
 
Ah, crypto company gets leveraged to the tits, takes the peoples money, then sells out to Goldman Sachs, you love to see it

@Samson Pumpkin Jr. cos can't into multi quote across pages:
Both those things are actively being worked on, with L2's and other more efficient blockchain tech, and the storage bit is getting worked on by IPFS. A lot of this stuff is "here is a cool proof of concept, what can we do with it" and they do something with it, leads to another proof of concept, which leads to more stuff.

Ignoring all the moonboi shit, we went from torrents in 2001, to distributed ledgers in 2009, to distributed virtual machines in 2016. Currently we are in the phase where we have seen what people can build, and looking to expand the functionality. Its a matter of whether its an solvable problem or not. I think it is, but who knows. Technology always does keep seeming on getting better.
 
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