🐱 Covid-19 death skepticism, explained by a cognitive scientist

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As the US Covid-19 death toll continues to rise (more than 183,000 as of September 1), so has the number of people who believe that the official death count is vastly inflated.

According to a July Axios-Ipsos poll, almost one in three people surveyed in the US thought the number of Covid-19 deaths was lower than what was being reported.

Some of the high-profile death skeptics, like author Alex Berenson, believe the media is deliberately sensationalizing deaths. Others note that many of these people were older and might have died during the same period anyway.


President Trump in April argued that many of the dead had preexisting conditions and that these preexisting conditions were the “true” causes of their deaths.

Then came a new claim that went viral over the weekend: that only 6 percent of US pandemic deaths have been from Covid-19 itself. The origin was a statistic from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that 94 percent of people killed by the new coronavirus in the US had comorbidities, or other health conditions contributing to their cause of death.

Although assigning causes of death isn’t straightforward, disease experts and scientists have quickly taken to Twitter and TikTok to point out that the 6 percent figure has been wildly misinterpreted.

In addition to their efforts to refute attempts to downplay the death numbers, public health experts have consistently noted that official Covid-19 death numbers are likely undercounts of the true toll of the virus.

So why has this misguided perspective about inflated death counts gained traction? Aside from the proliferation of misinformation about Covid-19, one important reason may be that we think we’re better at reasoning about causes and effects than we are.

In many cases, we are pretty good at causal reasoning — when a rock flies through a windowpane, even a young child can tell you what caused the window to break. But when we’re faced with the sorts of complex causal relationships found in the economy or the human body, our intuitive causal reasoning tools aren’t up to the task.

In these cases, we rely on mental shortcuts that can lead to reasoning biases of the sort that might make a Covid-19 skeptic’s argument about the “true” causes of death sound a little reasonable, even if we know it’s wrong.

Let’s take a closer look at why that is — and what we might be able to do to overcome these biases.

Counterfactual thinking: Would these people still have died soon if they hadn’t contracted Covid-19?
Imagining that older people or those with preexisting conditions likely would have died in the near future anyway, even if they hadn’t contracted Covid-19, is an example of counterfactual thinking: imagining an alternate reality in which something happened differently. Counterfactual thinking is one of our most valuable tools for identifying causal relationships.

It works like this: If an outcome didn’t happen in a world where a potential cause didn’t happen, then the potential cause must have been responsible for the outcome. If the rock didn’t get thrown, the window wouldn’t have broken; therefore, the rock must have caused the window to break. In simple situations, this view is sensible, and research suggests that it’s generally consistent with people’s judgments about causes.

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But this view quickly runs into problems. Suppose Veronica and Logan both threw rocks at the same window at the same time. Did Veronica’s rock cause the window to break? According to the counterfactual logic, no, because if she hadn’t thrown a rock, it still would have broken due to Logan’s rock. But the same reasoning applies to Logan’s rock. Yet the window didbreak. Something must have caused it.

This rock case is somewhat analogous to the situation surrounding Covid-19 deaths. In both cases, we have two potential causes — say, heart disease and Covid-19 — each of which might be sufficient to explain the outcome. In the rock case, you could say that the rocks together caused the window to break, or that each rock is equally a cause.

Why do some people not reach the same conclusion with Covid-19 deaths — that both heart disease and Covid-19 could be causes?

One clue comes from a 2011 experimentby psychologists Clare Walsh and Steven Sloman. They had 43 subjects read stories in which something happened that had two potential causes: One cause was like Veronica throwing a rock, and the other was like if a third person, Wallace, stepped out of the rock’s path to allow it to hit the window. Here, following the logic of counterfactual thinking, both Veronica and Wallace were causes. But only Veronica’s action involved a mechanism that you could expect to break a window.

Ordinarily, there’s no mechanism by which simply taking a step would cause a window to break. When subjects were asked if Veronica-like actions were causes, they said yes 87 percent of the time, but when they were asked if Wallace-like actions were causes, they said yes only 24 percent of the time.

How does this relate to judging causes of death? We have lots of familiarity with people dying of heart disease, but we know comparatively little about Covid-19. When imagining two potential causes of death, people already have a plausible mechanism to explain how someone died if they had a well-known disease, which could make it seem more causally responsible than Covid-19.

But just like Veronica’s rock wouldn’t have broken the window if Wallace hadn’t stepped aside, many people with heart disease likely wouldn’t have died as soon if they hadn’t contracted Covid-19.


We prefer simpler explanations
Another bias we hold is a preference for simpler explanations — that is, explanations that invoke fewer causes to explain why an outcome happened.

For example, in a 2007 experiment by psychologist Tania Lombrozo, 48 subjects read about an alien experiencing two different symptoms: sore “mittels” and purple spots. They then learned about three medical conditions: Morad’s disease caused sore mittels only, a Humel infection caused purple spots only, and Trichet’s syndrome caused both symptoms. Thus, the alien’s symptoms could be explained by Trichet’s syndrome, or a combination of Morad’s disease and a Humel infection.

Perhaps unsurprisingly, 96 percent of subjects found Trichet’s disease to be the more satisfying explanation for the alien’s symptoms. My collaborators and I found similar results in a study that is currently undergoing peer review. We found that, in some contexts, subjects preferred simpler explanations — those that invoked fewer reasons — for why other people took certain actions.

Preferring simpler explanations is entirely sensible. On the surface, “a woman died of heart disease” sounds simpler and more satisfying than “a woman died due to Covid-19 with heart disease as a contributing factor.”

But sensible doesn’t mean always right. Sometimes the alien really does have Morad’s disease and a Humel infection. And when we’re dealing with different types of causes, like acute causes and contributing causes, we’re likely to deceive ourselves about which explanation makes more sense if we weigh two causes of death against one.

The role of motivated reasoning
We’re all susceptible to these biases, but we’re not all Covid-19 skeptics. That’s because people with different base beliefs will end up approaching new information with different attitudes.

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This process is known as motivated reasoning, and it leads people to gather evidence that supports perspectives they already agree with and to more thoroughly scrutinize evidence that challenges those perspectives. Someone who believes the pandemic is a serious threat will likely accept the official Covid-19 reports at face value. But someone who is already skeptical about the pandemic for other reasons will be predisposed to look for reasons to question the death counts. And due to these biases, they’ll happily find several seemingly commonsense reasons quickly at their disposal.

This cognitive pitfall isn’t limited to Covid-19 skeptics. Even non-skeptics have been guilty of overzealously shaming people for doing things like going to the beach, even though current evidence suggests it’s a low-risk activity.

To help avoid these sorts of reasoning errors, remember that the world is complicated, and our intuitions — especially about complex causal relationships — can’t always be trusted. It might seem intuitively wrong that someone’s death had multiple causes, or that it’s madness for hundreds of people to head to the beach during a pandemic, but it might be your intuition that’s wrong.
 
I recently went to Omegle. A guy told me "Covid is a scam" because he hugged a Covid-positive guyand only got a fever and lived.
 
People tend to believe the information that agrees with beliefs they already held. It doesn't help that everything is politicized, especially pandemics during an election year.
 
Are the death tolls inflated? Likely to some extent, given the motorcycle death debacle in Florida, Birx suggesting they could be overstated, Colorado reducing their counts by a quarter, etc. Are they overstated by 90+%? I severely doubt that.
 
This cognitive pitfall isn’t limited to Covid-19 skeptics. Even non-skeptics have been guilty of overzealously shaming people for doing things like going to the beach, even though current evidence suggests it’s a low-risk activity.
BOTH SIDES-ISM REEEEEEE FUCKING FENCE SITTER YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR AGAINST US
 
What's that phrase for when you take only address the outlier on an issue and totally ignore the rest of people's complaints? Where you act as if that outlier represents the majority? Pilpul? Typical jewish behavior?

I would say people's skepticism comes from stuff like politicians not wearing masks, getting their hair cut, going out to eat, painting their streets, going to protests, etc. Hard to take you seriously when you're living a total lie.
 
It’s like the Arthur C Clarke parody: “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.”

The 94% overstated one is obviously ridiculous. But if you don’t think that at least some of the cases are being over reported (or under reported in other countries), not due to conspiracy but purely due to laziness and because it’s easier, then you’re naive.

If you then also believe that the country would lie to make politicians look bad, then you’re also probably sane.
 
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If you then also believe that the country would lie to make politicians look bad, then you’re also probably sane.
Similarly, it is not unreasonable to assume that a government would lie to make their administration of/response to the situation look better than it is. They all have in the past, in times of crisis, all of them.
 
This rock case is somewhat analogous to the situation surrounding Covid-19 deaths. In both cases, we have two potential causes — say, heart disease and Covid-19

Analogies are only useful if they're very similar to the phenomenon they're trying to explain. The rock case presupposes two identical causes; two rocks. Heart disease and a cold virus are completely dissimilar causes - influenza and a cold virus is a better analogy. Something like a seasonal influenza..

Oh well, it's not like we have one of those so I guess I'll just listen to the rest of this waffling unreservedly.
 
the point of bringing up that 94% statistic isn't to make some asinine claim like "dude covids a hoax lmao" but to point out that the overwhelming majority of covid deaths happen to people who are aleady on the edge of death due to diabetes, old age, heart disease, metabolic syndrome, etc anyway.
the point is to emphasize that if you're a healthy person then covid isn't the scary insta-death murder virus that the media makes it out to be.
 
These guys seem to be out in full force trying to downplay this 94% and asking why people would even question the authorities. That's not at all suspicious or in any was seems like they are covering up that they are cooking the numbers.
the point of bringing up that 94% statistic isn't to make some asinine claim like "dude covids a hoax lmao" but to point out that the overwhelming majority of covid deaths happen to people who are aleady on the edge of death due to diabetes, old age, heart disease, metabolic syndrome, etc anyway.
the point is to emphasize that if you're a healthy person then covid isn't the scary insta-death murder virus that the media makes it out to be.
Everyone should ask themselves the question, if person x has advanced diabetes, old age, trashed lungs, heart problems, pneumonia etc and covid pushes them to death, what killed them? Was it covid or the underlying health condition?
 
The rock analogy doesn’t strike me as particularly persuasive. I’ll be waiting with baited breath to see the report on this year’s seasonal flu and the comorbidities associated with those patient deaths.

I’m no doctor, but I’m willing to bet conditions like heart disease, chronic respiratory problems from things like smoking, obesity, advanced age, and the like will be contributing factors in ~95 percent of those deaths too (and that’s assuming they’re not lumped in with da COVID)(also assuming the CDC gives a shit about influenza this year)

Edit: Well what do ya know?

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Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
 
The rock analogy doesn’t strike me as particularly persuasive. I’ll be waiting with baited breath to see the report on this year’s seasonal flu and the comorbidities associated with those patient deaths.

I’m no doctor, but I’m willing to bet conditions like heart disease, chronic respiratory problems from things like smoking, obesity, advanced age, and the like will be contributing factors in ~95 percent of those deaths too (and that’s assuming they’re not lumped in with da COVID)(also assuming the CDC gives a shit about influenza this year)

Edit: Well what do ya know?

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Source: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
That chart is confusing.

Seniors really don't get the flu, but when they do they go to the hospital and die? Is that what's going on there?
 
That chart is confusing.

Seniors really don't get the flu, but when they do they go to the hospital and die? Is that what's going on there?
It would help if it had the overall numbers to illustrate the point, but basically, yes. This is mainly due to the difference in population between the groups; according to the 2010 census, the 18-49 age group made up 36.5% of the population, while 65+ was 13%. In fact, all the groups' symptomatic case percentages line up pretty well with their population percentages, which makes sense: the more people in a group, the more cases they'll have.

It turns out that when you get older and your immune system isn't working as well as it used to, you tend to be more severely affected by diseases that wouldn't have fazed you in your youth. And oh look, the overwhelming majority of Wu Flu cases that resulted in severe illness or death were the elderly. Who could have seen this coming.

I certainly believe that a lot of people have died of the coof, and I also believe the numbers have been inflated to make Trump look bad (and also pocket more federal money in the process). I don't believe it's to the extent of 94% false, but there's definitely been some fuckery going on. But let's face it, a lot of these people would likely have died from any number of bad infections sooner or later. When you get up there in years, it's increasingly likely it'll happen one way or another, especially if you have other conditions that further weaken your immune system. Shutting down everything and quarantining healthy people over what turned out to be a standard viral infection is complete lunacy.
 
The very few deaths among children in the UK from covid-19 follows the same pattern: all had serious underlying conditions, were very premature and very sick with preexisting infections and abnormalities or had major disabilities affecting the respiratory system.

Children who died of Covid-19 were already seriously ill, new study shows

28 August 2020

A broad study led by Liverpool University and published in the British Medical Journal today confirms that – and sheds a lot more light on how Covid-19 affects children. The study looks at data from 260 hospitals in England, Scotland and Wales, to which 69,516 patients were admitted with Covid symptoms between 17 January and 3 July. Of these, 651 were aged under 19 and 225 were aged under 12 months. Serious underlying medical conditions were present in 42 per cent of the children.

No children without a serious comorbidity died, and neither did any child between the ages of 28 days and 15 years

Most were successfully treated on hospital wards but 116 went on to be admitted to critical care and 58 ended up on mechanical ventilation. In 52 cases, the patients were judged to be suffering from Multi-System Inflammatory Syndrome associated with Covid-19 (MIS-C), a condition similar to Kawasaki disease and Toxic Shock Syndrome, that was first identified in London hospitals in March. Six children went on to die. Three were aged under 28 days, had been born very premature and had complex congenital anomalies and bacterial sepsis. The other three who died were in the 15-18 age bracket, two of whom had profound neurodisabilities which compromised their respiratory systems. The other had a suppressed immune system as a result of cancer treatment and was also suffering from bacterial sepsis. No children without a serious comorbidity of an additional illness died, and neither did any child between the ages of 28 days and 15 years. However, the age group 10–14 years was over-represented among those admitted to critical care.

As in the adult population, males were more at risk of being hospitalised than females – boys made up 56 per cent of those admitted to hospital. Ethnic minorities, too, were over-represented, with 12 per cent of those hospitalised from South Asian ethnicity and 10 per cent of black ethnicity.

Those who required critical care were especially likely to have been in hospital several days before they showed symptoms – suggesting that, in their case, Covid might have been a hospital-acquired infection. Coming just before schools are set to return to full-time teaching next week, the study is bound to be taken up by those arguing on both sides of the debate. The study shows that children are not immune from Covid-19, but the chances of them getting seriously ill are extremely rare and deaths vanishingly small.

 
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