Copyright law & Incentives - Playing Devil's advocate

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I think copyright """law""" should be destroyed. But, this morning I had a thought - if copyright law is actually abolished, and "piracy" - obtaining a product by means not approved by the creator, stops being "illegal" (not a violation of copyright "law"), then what would be the incentive for people to continue making products?
Immediately I thought of a rebuttal - "FOSS" software. People make software for completely free with no expectation of compensation.
But, many talented and skilled developers refuse to make their software free (as in speech), tools like FreeCAD, while great, are still extremely pale in comparison to Fusion or Inventor, I've yet to see any actually good FOSS alternatives to proprietary CNC routing software (though there should be).
So, I want to see other people try and argue against copyright "law".
 
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Who owns the copyright to the chair you sat in while typing this?
The company who produced the design of the chair, of course. And I can never recreate an exact replica because that would be breaking the law and that is wrong!
 
Do you want to argue about the length of time copyright lasts according to a law or is that not to be discussed here?
 
I think authors, creators and individuals who create stuff should be allowed copyright. Corporations hoarding them is retarded and not in the spirit of the law.
 
The value you attach to IP law - particularly copyright and to some extent trademarks - depends on the extent to which you believe ideas have a value, and that the person who has a good idea is entitled to make money by selling what it is that they made.

If ideas have no value, then protecting them is meaningless. If your idea for a kids cartoon becomes incredibly popular, you won't be able to make money or a living off it, the people who will make money putting your idea on t shirts will be Temu or Shein or whoever and lol fuck you. If you are a writer, the people who will make money off your two years of work on a novel will be whoever has a fast printing operation and can put your book, your ideas, on the market and give you fuck all money for them. If you invent a gadget that lets people put their entire CD collection on a wee credit card electric doohickey in their pocket, the company who can copy it and rush it to market first will make a killing and you'll make nothing.

So the question is, does creative labour, making ideas, deserve to be recompensed in the way manufacturing or assembly labour is. It's not just "no one will release ideas if they can't make money", because although in some ways that would happen, people also are willing to throw metric fucktons of their ideas and labour and content out there for free. Think fanworks. Even original works. So no, there wouldn't be a complete stop to ideas getting out there. The issue is more accurately the ethics, in a mercantile society, of it being legally prohibited for me to steal the loaf of bread you baked, which any fule can bake, but a-okay for me to steal your 800 page greatest American novel of the century, which not any fule can write, though many fule have tried. Instinctively we understand one of these things represents more labour and craftsmanship than the other. I can bake loaves easily, but I will never be able to write a number one record, and being able to have one of those kinds of work protected but not the other seems counter-intuitive.

Adma Smith tells us that you can have a market in any good that is perceived to have value, and the way you know it has value is that other people are willing to trade things of value for it. People are willing to pay to see movies, to own records, to own books. These things clearly therfeore have a value. Apart from vinyl collectors, no one who is a muso loser is going to tell you they attach the value to the actual physical CD they just bought, they value the music itself. What they are paying for is the enjoyment of the creative labour.

Copyright law protects ideas people from having their creativity and their labour outright thieved by the likes of Temu and Shein. This is the public good that IP law exists to protect. If you have a great idea, you should have the first (only) dibs on bringing it to the market, because you did the work to bring it into existence.
 
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to answer OP's question, copyright should be like 5 - 10 years and you shouldn't be able to sell it or give it to someone if you die
 
People spend their irreplaceable time to create things. Plus even with say a book there are production costs. Not just pen and paper or their computer, to write a book you gotta do research and that costs more time + money. They should be able to benefit from their expenditure of time and money to create something and not have other people make money off their effort without compensating them
 
then what would be the incentive for people to continue making products?

First mover's advantage
"I made this thing, I'm the only one WITH this thing so for a limited time the only way to get this thing will be through me so I'm able to create the most CONVENIENT way to consume this thing so people will default to me."

But realistically a patronage economy which is how content creators make their money now anyhow.
"We like the thing you made so some of us with means will support you in the hopes you'll make something good in the same vein in the future."
 
Just use the disclaimer: "No copyright infringement intended." Problem solved.
 
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