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One more thing about military; when it comes down to it, China is still surrounded by enemies. Japan, Russia, India, South Korea. Meanwhile the US can count on numerous allies. Take 4 or 5 of such allies and they could challenge China even without the US acting.

For all their progress and US trannification, the chasm between power is still immense.
 
Lemmingwise said:
One more thing about military; when it comes down to it, China is still surrounded by enemies. Japan, Russia, India, South Korea. Meanwhile the US can count on numerous allies. Take 4 or 5 of such allies and they could challenge China even without the US acting.

For all their progress and US trannification, the chasm between power is still immense.
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But here’s the thing: you say the chasm is huge, but is it closing? China seems to be one to boast about how great its military is.
 
Random Internet Person said:
But here’s the thing: you say the chasm is huge, but is it closing? China seems to be one to boast about how great its military is.
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North Korea is also boasting.
A rich man doesn't need to say he is rich.

Yes it's closing, China is an industrial powerhouse, good at espionage and is building a modern military. Their military projection is still abysmal in comparison. What they have for now is a very large army and a lot of missiles.

China has 2 aircraft carriers, the US has 20 (and they're bigger). South Korea also has one and is building a new one as well.

The Chinese carriers are based on an old soviet design (and built on decommisioned soviet hull). They can only launch inferior chinese jetfighters, with limited arms.

Meanwhile the US carriers can launch everything from fully outfitted bombers, fighters, even transports.

The Chinese carriers need to refuel every 6 days. The nuclear powered US carriers doesn't really need to refuel every year.

At best China could challenge India with their carriers in the Indian sea... but then India has its own carriers.

So is the chasm closing? Yes, China will have another, more modern carrier ready in 2024. It won't have the limitations of their current soviet carrier, though I'd be surprised if it was as modern as its american counterpart. At that rate, assuming no setbacks from China and no response from US, they'll achieve parity in 60-80 years. Of course it isn't all about carriers, as China can defend areas by launching a shitload of missiles near their coast, denying space for american carriers. But it's easy to be swayed by nationalist propaganda.
 
Lemmingwise said:
One more thing about military; when it comes down to it, China is still surrounded by enemies. Japan, Russia, India, South Korea. Meanwhile the US can count on numerous allies. Take 4 or 5 of such allies and they could challenge China even without the US acting.

For all their progress and US trannification, the chasm between power is still immense.
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That assumes the US wants to exert said strength. Which is my point about the annexation of Taiwan. These nations are only defended if the US flexes. The second it doesn't, China can fill that void.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
In the first place, it was the blatant electoral fraud committed following Trump's win in November 2020 that put conservatives in this position. They probably would have been in this position in 2024 if not for said fraud.
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Fixed. Oh and by all means, organize away and fight the bullshit that Biden/Harris pull, just don't forget that Trump would have had a second term if not for blatant fraud that the spineless cowards in the GOPe refused to fight.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
That assumes the US wants to exert said strength. Which is my point about the annexation of Taiwan. These nations are only defended if the US flexes. The second it doesn't, China can fill that void.
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How military bases does the US have on foreign soil?

How many (proxy) wars has the US started in the last decade?

What is the incentive to cede influence when it could eadily win the fight?

What is the incentive to lose face and influence by actong cowardly?

I can see of no reason why the US wouldn't defend its interest and stake in Taiwan.
 
FunPosting101 said:
Fixed. Oh and by all means, organize away and fight the bullshit that Biden/Harris pull, just don't forget that Trump would have had a second term if not for blatant fraud that the spineless cowards in the GOPe refused to fight.
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Fraud or not, it became clear that the GOP doesn't have the political machine development that the Democratic party has.
 
Lemmingwise said:
North Korea is also boasting.
A rich man doesn't need to say he is rich.

Yes it's closing, China is an industrial powerhouse, good at espionage and is building a modern military. Their military projection is still abysmal in comparison. What they have for now is a very large army and a lot of missiles.

China has 2 aircraft carriers, the US has 20 (and they're bigger). South Korea also has one and is building a new one as well.

The Chinese carriers are based on an old soviet design (and built on decommisioned soviet hull). They can only launch inferior chinese jetfighters, with limited arms.

Meanwhile the US carriers can launch everything from fully outfitted bombers, fighters, even transports.

The Chinese carriers need to refuel every 6 days. The nuclear powered US carriers doesn't really need to refuel every year.

At best China could challenge India with their carriers in the Indian sea... but then India has its own carriers.

So is the chasm closing? Yes, China will have another, more modern carrier ready in 2024. It won't have the limitations of their current soviet carrier, though I'd be surprised if it was as modern as its american counterpart. At that rate, assuming no setbacks from China and no response from US, they'll achieve parity in 60-80 years. Of course it isn't all about carriers, as China can defend areas by launching a shitload of missiles near their coast, denying space for american carriers. But it's easy to be swayed by nationalist propaganda.
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I think once Xi goes, everything will turn to shit and there will be setbacks and infighting. He won't last another 80 years and this whole system that China has built relies on Xi being there. Even an Anointed Successor won't work which is why the world mostly did away with systems like that because there is zero distribution of power.
 
Zero Day Defense said:
Fraud or not, it became clear that the GOP doesn't have the political machine development that the Democratic party has.
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Debateable. Did they ever fully get behind Trump or are they satisfied with a loss now if it means they get to make their own way in the next election?

There were a lot of GOP affiliated nevertrumpers that eventually slovenly got behind him.
 
Marissa Moira said:
I think once Xi goes, everything will turn to shit and there will be setbacks and infighting. He won't last another 80 years and this whole system that China has built relies on Xi being there. Even an Anointed Successor won't work which is why the world mostly did away with systems like that because there is zero distribution of power.
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Eh, when it comes to totalitarian states, there's usually an heir apparent that just isn't made public unless they absolutely need to show who the successor is.
 
This fucking thread holy shit kek
Imagine grieving the loss of a conman that did jackshit to help conservatism while the left got away with everything.
There already is the Trump Enslavement Syndrome thread with lefties circlejerking about the orange man being the worst president in history and how the dems will be competent
Do we really need more hugboxes here?
 
Random Internet Person said:
You’re forgetting the part where Trump will be hounded by any lawsuit thrown at him.
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I honestly dont know if you're a lib still thinking trump is gonna go to jail, or a maga coping with the fact that he lost for being a wimp during the riots and say wimpittude was because the dems would send him to jail if he actually did something

Not only is trump never going to jail for his crimes because that would set a precedent that could send all kinds of politicians to jail, he didnt do shit during the riots because he cant do shit, he thought he could bullshit his way thru office like he did in business

Syaoran Li said:
The almighty and omnipotent payment processors going after "problematic" vices like porn is already going to piss people off, as are the new draconian copyright laws regarding streaming. If they go after vidya and any "problematic" (i.e. actually enjoyable) pre-2010's entertainment too, then people are going to be really pissed.
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So what, gamergate 2? porngate? streamgate? you think normies have the balls to pull something like that? bite the hand that feeds their addictions?
 
cybertoaster said:
So what, gamergate 2? porngate? streamgate? you think normies have the balls to pull something like that? bite the hand that feeds their addictions?
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If if it weren't for Corona, I'd agree with you entirely on this.

COVID-19 was a black swan event that fucked everything up and has flipped the script. Everything's gone to Hell and nobody knows what the fuck is going on.

Even the BLM coup in the summer wouldn't have happened if George Floyd's death wasn't preceded by three months of intense lockdowns and social distancing making everyone stir-crazy.

2020 is putting the normies close to their breaking point if it hasn't already. The payment processors going after an ostensibly apolitical and semi-mainstream site like Pornhub has already "redpilled" a bunch of soys and normies about the disproportionate power they have.

If this shit continues, you might have a lot of people snapping. I don't see a mass uprising because that's retarded, but I can definitely see more people getting desperate that they wind up going full psycho retard and doing stuff one should only do in Minecraft

The issue of black fragility is still unaddressed and Biden already said BLM should be thankful that him and Harris won the election and shut up. If BLM/Antifa find another excuse to riot and loot or if they want to continue their attempted revolution once the holidays have passed, things are going to be a lot different than they were in the summer.

With Orange Man finally gone, a new wave of rioting won't be coddled as much by major cities and states outside of the preexisting Antifa fiefdoms in the Pacific Northwest like Portland and Seattle.


Everyone on all sides are stuck in the weeds and nobody knows what the fuck is going on. From the way things are shaping up, Biden/Harris is going to be a slightly shitter retread of Bush's second term or Obama at best.

Kamala Harris is not a "true and honest" progressive like Ilhan Omar or AOC. She's a neoliberal corporate uniparty cunt who'll gladly pander to the Woke Left if she thinks it will get her ahead.

If the Dems don't take both seats in the Georgia runoffs, then she's a lame duck and "rule by EO fiat" is less of a viable option than it was for Obama since Trump and McConnell have stacked the courts more in the favor of the GOP by comparison, Roberts's own autism aside. Even with the courts fucking over Trump, the issue of court-packing is going to be a moot point. Especially if the Dems can't take both seats in Georgia.

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Mitch cut some backroom deal with the corporate establishment Dems to retain his narrow majority in the Senate and to shut down Stacey Abrams before she becomes too much of a loose cannon like The Squad are.

My personal prediction for the Georgia runoffs is that the Dems win one of the seats but Perdue keeps his seat by the skin of his teeth. When the new Congress convenes in January, the Dems will be weaker in the House and the Senate is going to be razor-thin for both sides, especially if Manchin and Romney do the expected thing and cuck out their respective parties.

That might be why Trump veto'd NDAA but didn't explicitly veto the COVID-19 relief bill despite not signing it.

He knows if he vetoes it now, there's a veto-proof majority but there's a chance with a weaker Dem majority in the House, if he vetoes it after January 6th, there's less of a chance for a strong veto-proof majority in both chambers.

Fuck, if Trump pardons Assange and Snowden in the coming weeks or does some last minute "Fuck You!" EO's, then I'll be a happy camper.
 
Lemmingwise said:
If things get more adverserial, who has the leverage exactly? It's not like China can throw the US out of their house like a landlord could. How do you collect debt from someone armed to the teeth and then some? Only by consent.

I'm not saying the US would lightly renege on debt, credit ratings and all, but it's not the same power relationship as it is between indivuals or private companies with a government to enforce contracts and such. Nobody can throw the US in jail. That's the value of a vastly superior military.
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Then why didnt the soviets just bully their way into more credits instead of going bankrupt?

Whats gonna happen if the usa fails to pay debt to china is that all us debt including treasure bonds are gonna take a dive since nobody wants to hold bad debt, and the dollar will also go into inflation, and depending of how retarded it gets could go all the way into hyperinflation. Every country that stops paying debts has this problem, argentina went through like 5 or 6 different currencies (peso, austral, something else I cant recall) because every time it defaulted on its debts the bonds would go to shit and so did their currency

Sure we got nukes and shit but so did the soviets, you cant bully the rest of the world into using your currency, you know why the dollar is the world's currency? because we basically subsidized wwii exports, we keep the arab oil oligarchs in power, and pay for the security of western europe

The moment that changes the dollar value drops, you cant pay the troops, what you gonna do? threaten other countries with nukes? they got nukes too. The chicoms might not have a large a military like we do but they got enough ASM to sink most of our fleet, a fleet we wouldnt be able to afford to replace, we cant churn out ships like 70 years ago

StinkleMyDinkle said:
Having a better military doesn’t mean shit if your soldiers are all concerned about feelings and trannies
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Also this, but on the bright side the skirmishes with the indian army shows the chicom troops cant handle shit. As it turns out the chicom military being part of the party and not the nation means you fight for the party, not china. What that means is that the only reason to get in the army is to get into the chicom party which being a den of corruption opens a lot of doors for people who want to become the new rich in china, but that kind of people wont take a bullet for anybody which is why when a bunch of currytroopers raided them the chicoms ran for the hills leaving their neet bunker full of porn behind

Lemmingwise said:
One more thing about military; when it comes down to it, China is still surrounded by enemies. Japan, Russia, India, South Korea. Meanwhile the US can count on numerous allies. Take 4 or 5 of such allies and they could challenge China even without the US acting.

For all their progress and US trannification, the chasm between power is still immense.
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Enemies? russia will sell them anything short of their own territory (for now), india is the only one that might actually attack them but cant do much with nuclear pakis being allied to china too, meaning it would be a 2-front war for them, and japan and korea are too fucking scared of getting nuked

Marissa Moira said:
If that's part of his legacy, then I'm fine with it.
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Which is why its not gonna happen, everyone is a friend in DC, they just pretend to hate each other for the plebs
 
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