"Conservatism" isn't conservative.

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BTW many of us dreaded "conservatives", a term which I personally strongly reject yet most people would desire to put me there, would be pleased with what was not long ago a progressive vision of the world that aimed to tear down corrupt, malignant empires where some elite ruled over multicultural ethnicities that desired to have their own space, like mine, or Croats, or Slovaks and so on. Not all ethnic groups are that well defined, that is true, but some are, with unique language, generally belonging to one racial group, same religion etc.
Where are we today if not in a new era of conflicting empires and their small subjects aiming to preserve their identity and culture? Not much has changed, but the tools of the empire
The entitlement has remained the same.
Learn to leave others alone if they politely ask you to.
It's one thing to expel somebody already living in your home; and another to build a sturdy, well defended home where you only allow those that you deem friendly.
Nobody needs foreigners to come and tell you how to take care of your local affairs.
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Yet you still maintained the same attitude over the years when you were writing articles. If you can’t understand why Europeans would hate the peoples of turkey and Romania, while also trying to apply laws and values if your own nation instead of trying to appeal to their history and struggles, then I’m sorry you’re nothing but a WASP who is so entrenched in Anglo-sphere thinking that it’s not amusing.
Yeah I’m sure you read my whole bibliography and know the internal workings of my mind well enough to tell me I’m the same person I know as at age 24.

Also, I got one poster telling me Romania is other and to be excluded and a Romanian begging me to respect the sovereign collective racial identity of his extremely fucked-up mongrel nation:
Where are we today if not in a new era of conflicting empires and their small subjects aiming to preserve their identity and culture? Not much has changed, but the tools of the empire
The entitlement has remained the same.
Learn to leave others alone if they politely ask you to.
It's one thing to expel somebody already living in your home; and another to build a sturdy, well defended home where you only allow those that you deem friendly.
Nobody needs foreigners to come and tell you how to take care of your local affairs.
You’re part of the Eurozone though. The Illuminati Jews imposed the EU on you guys so you would stop fighting each other over extremely paltry differences of culture and identity. This means the Greeks and Italians and whomever are free to move in. Does that not bother you, but the idea of Turks moving in does? The kingdom of Wallachia might be ethnically and culturally contiguous; Romania as is, is not.
 
Yeah I’m sure you read my whole bibliography and know the internal workings of my mind well enough to tell me I’m the same person I know as at age 24.

Also, I got one poster telling me Romania is other and to be excluded and a Romanian begging me to respect the sovereign collective racial identity of his extremely fucked-up mongrel nation:

You’re part of the Eurozone though. The Illuminati Jews imposed the EU on you guys so you would stop fighting each other over extremely paltry differences of culture and identity. This means the Greeks and Italians and whomever are free to move in. Does that not bother you, but the idea of Turks moving in does? The kingdom of Wallachia might be ethnically and culturally contiguous; Romania as is, is not.
No I didn't, I just said that to fuck with you.
 
You’re part of the Eurozone though. The Illuminati Jews imposed the EU on you guys so you would stop fighting each other over extremely paltry differences of culture and identity. This means the Greeks and Italians and whomever are free to move in. Does that not bother you, but the idea of Turks moving in does? The kingdom of Wallachia might be ethnically and culturally contiguous; Romania as is, is not.
I find it entertaining that you're continuing to sink your argument with each answer.
First, I am quite pro-EU, in fact, I'm a pan-European, for very simple reasons. We are few. We do not reproduce much. We need to band and stick together, and set aside those differences, so we can stand against our enemies, and in 2023, that is Russia.
I think you will find it very rare in these forums and online in general that right wingers support a pan-European, NATO alliance against Russia and what it wants to represent, the "Global Majority/South".
Greeks are some of the most annoying ethnicity I had the displeasure to meet, due to my job, as they come to study here. Some truly patronizing individuals among them. Still, I can't even come close to disliking them. In fact, we should defend them from Turkish incursions and attempts to use migrants to bully the EU and Greece. Frontex is one of our best common endeavors, performing pushbacks against the smol dindus at sea and getting featured in Bellingcat. European cooperation against outsiders, at its best.
Italians are in many ways our ancestors. My people holds a deep reverence for ancient Rome and Greece. At least those of us that are still brain fed, cause modernity resulted in general retardation and people hating their heritage.
I like to point people to this, as I am a romantic.
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Turks are a foreign people with a foreign religion that once colonized us. That's OK, but Muslims cannot spread their faith here and cannot come in great numbers to change our demographics. We can trade and have good diplomacy. Travel and migration should be strictly controlled. I actually respect Arabs, Turks and Islam, but not inside Europe.
Europe is for Europeans, and European tribes deserve homelands, like everyone else.
Wallachia is long gone, btw. That region is called Oltenia/Muntenia nowadays. While there are some cultural differences between Transylvania, O/M and Moldova, we all speak the same language and share the common goal of wanting a country for our ethnic group. Our history is 99% the pursuit of that goal.
Imagine coming in 2023 and telling us it was all for nothing...
 
malignant empires where some elite ruled over multicultural ethnicities
The only reason you say this is because of the CIA controlled historical narrative. First of all, practically all historians were paid off by the CIA to construct a historical narrative favourable to democracy and Jewish interests. You'll never hear this book recommendation anywhere else, but you must read Arthur Bryant's unfinished victory to find out the truth about the Jews in nigger Weimar Germany. Secondly, very few people call Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian nationalist assmad murderer, a terrorist. Liberals, paid by the CIA, are secretly happy that Princip's evil bloodthirsty terrorist attack against the innocent Austro-Hungarian so-called "malignant empire" led to the annihilation of the last autocratic Catholic monarchy in the world.
 
??? Doner Kebab is legit the tastiest food in Germany. You can't have your globalism cake and eat it too; diplomacy cuts both ways. If Germany started expelling ethnic Turks, Turkey would respond with a trade shutdown. Not for nothing; a lot of Europe’s food is produced in Turkey. Nuts, fruits, fresh vegetables, etc.
AHAHAHAHAHA! "But the food though" is the last refuge for the worst sort of libtards. Jesus, Miss Piggy is living up to her stereotype as a RationalWiki editor.

I do want to highlight this portion of the post because it's similarly in bad faith or makes a painfully obvious strawman of her opposition.
Okay so you’re an angry wignat, probably a German. Afaik nobody is stopping you from wearing dirndls and lederhosen (or whatever your state’s equivalent is.) Nobody's whipping you if you speak German, or forcibly emigrating your children to Russia to enculturate a Russian identity, burning down the sausage factories, enacting a prohibition on beer, banning Christmas markets etc.

You haven’t been denied your national identity; as I understand it, the state limits you from wearing Nazi symbology in public, with exceptions for artistic use (films, video games etc.) There is a difference between enjoying Celtic crosses and Thor hammer necklaces and reading the Edda vs. feeling that you’re being denied your culture because you can’t display Nazi flags in public.
Much of this is such an obvious strawman of Nationalism that doesn't really need to be addressed, but others have far more substantive critiques.

@AgendaPoster, a Britbong once tried arguing with me that White people are inherently multiracial on account of being a Bronze age progeny of Proto-Indo-Europeans (PIEs), Early European Farmers and Western Hunter-Gatherers. His claim rests on the notion that PIEs did have a fairly substantial East Asian autosomal ancestral component, to be fair, from Ancient North Eurasians (ANEs). Mammoth hunters from Siberia. He further claims ANEs made up somewhere around 50-75% of PIE autosomal, IIRC. The rest was from Caucasian Hunter-Gatherers (mostly female). ANE makes up around 20-25% of modern Europeans ancestry. It's this reasoning that he justifies Africans and Indians in UK.

It's worth asking if advocates of multiculturalism believe that Africans and Indians should be allowed into the UK in demographic displacing numbers because modern Europeans are mutts of various pre-modern populations. Such a position follows even slightly from modern populations, including Euros, being mutts of old populations that don't exist anymore that all modern populations are fungible enough that demographics don't matter. All populations are different mutts therefore all populations are the same, and such a position would follow that all selection pressure stopped on a population at exactly the last time they got mixed.

But imagine a hypothetical world that's identical to ours except that paleogenetics is reveling the opposite of what it is on ours. In that world our modern populations are reveled to not be mutts, or recent immigrants, but are mostly descended from the first Homo sapiens that settled in a place after the first migration out of Africa. All language and material culture shifts were actually just the same people adopting the culture of their neighbors. In this hypothetical world do you think that proponents of multiculturalism would be against replacement migration? Would he want to preserve the population that's been in Europe unchanged for 10s of thousands of years? Would they believe that all humans populations are different from each other because they've had longer for selective pressure in their current environment? Or do you think they would argue that because there's been no major change in ancestry to go alone with national origin myths claiming recent decent from certain people, like the Anglo-Saxons in the case of the English, that nationalities are meaningless, all people are the same and therefore replacement migration into Europe is good? In other words, do you think people hold the view that replacement migration into European countries is good for actual reasoned reasons, or do you think they hold it as axiomatic and all the arguments they claim it follows from are just them trying to fool you into thinking that that they don't hold it as a axiom?

It's these questions that are far more substantive and from which a productive conversation can take place.
 
This argument reminds me of people who ask "why do antifa do all the fascism"? and I think of an old Shakespearean quip.

Would a nigger by any other name not steal your bike?
 
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I mean OP is kind of correct in that giving tax breaks to big amoral corporations isn't very conservative. Capitalist logic, especially modern capitalist logic where it is illegal for a company to not maximize its profits, demands that the customer base must expand. And that means slowly incorporating all the freaky groups in the world and spreading their political interests.
Moreover, some of the pet projects and hobbyhorse policies from so-called "conservatives" on this forum read more like klansman jackoff fantasies or anti-intellectual conspiracy theories. For example: what is "conservative" about wanting to disenfranchise women and black people from the vote? (keep in mind the 13th Amendment was your party's idea in the first place.) What part of making women into hausfraus with substandard employment, enfranchisement, and control over their lives is "stimulating economic growth for all Americans [and] protecting constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms"? When you idiots wax poetic about how much you hate n-words, are you aware you're in the party that voted to emancipate them?
Abraham Lincoln was a racist who wanted to send the blacks back to Africa, and he was 100% correct since everything that happened after was bad for most whites and blacks. Segregation is an inherently conservative ideology since it establishes each racial group has a certain place in an overall hierarchy. Republicans loved segregation too--nearly all Southern Republicans voted for it in the 1960s, and in the North Republicans created defacto segregation (or not so defacto like in Oregon where being black was illegal before 1926) hence why Milwaukee is still the most segregated major city in the country.

And while I'm not really in favor of disenfranchising women in particular, but women voting was a totally novel concept promoted by socialists, hence why it's the 19th amendment and not the first. Same thing with universal suffrage in general. That was not in the Constitution and was left up to the states, and before the destructive influence of liberalism, many states decided that letting everyone vote was a bad thing. Hence disenfranchisement is extremely conservative.
The only reason you say this is because of the CIA controlled historical narrative. First of all, practically all historians were paid off by the CIA to construct a historical narrative favourable to democracy and Jewish interests. You'll never hear this book recommendation anywhere else, but you must read Arthur Bryant's unfinished victory to find out the truth about the Jews in nigger Weimar Germany. Secondly, very few people call Gavrilo Princip, the Serbian nationalist assmad murderer, a terrorist. Liberals, paid by the CIA, are secretly happy that Princip's evil bloodthirsty terrorist attack against the innocent Austro-Hungarian so-called "malignant empire" led to the annihilation of the last autocratic Catholic monarchy in the world.
Only on certain topics, like how English-language histories of Ukraine were created by CIA-backed academics who manipulated (and still do) academia to ensure any contrary view was silence. I believe most historians who studied the pasts of communist states i.e. Vietnam, Russia were linked to the CIA or otherwise pushed around by them.
 
Better question would be why Christian fundies hate Islam so much when they believe more or less the exact same shit and worship the same god.
"Both the New England Patriots and the Miami Dolphins believe in the same thing (scoring a field goal or getting a touchdown), why don't they just work together? I'm very smart btw."
 
It's worth asking if advocates of multiculturalism believe that Africans and Indians should be allowed into the UK in demographic displacing numbers because modern Europeans are mutts of various pre-modern populations. Such a position follows even slightly from modern populations, including Euros, being mutts of old populations that don't exist anymore that all modern populations are fungible enough that demographics don't matter. All populations are different mutts therefore all populations are the same, and such a position would follow that all selection pressure stopped on a population at exactly the last time they got mixed.
I like this reasoning, the all peoples are migrants reasoning which commies use. Even if technically true they dont apply it with equal standards. If say there was a bunch of european migrants from scandinavia britain and russia suddenly migrating on mass to africa, forcefully and anti assimilationist, these migrants would be called colonizers. If you ask why the communists will immediately start talking about skin color, the smarter among them will say its about power and privilege not actually skin color but then proceed to say wypipo have all the power in the world (even if they consider white an incoherent standard). Its the same conversation around Israel right now, Jews are colonizers because the land was Islam controlled post WWII. They also generally do the nazi thing of culture is tied to race which it isnt, culture and race are separate things, the nazis claimed culture originated from race and modern alt righters say the same when talking about ethnostates and Japan, the commies claim the same except if you criticize a culture then youre criticizing the race which makes you racist. Ethnicity is a good term to introduce here, it refers to a combination of both race and culture and not just one thing exclusively. So you can have black africans as one ethnicity, black americans as one ethnicity and black british as one ethnicity, all three of them are black african supremecist groups anyways but its a useful distinction to use to study them. Thats how ethnostates generally work, not by just keeping the race intact but both race and culture intact with enough self policing, multiculturalism will almost always fail because people as individuals are more likely to self identify/practice as the culture of their race than the culture of their place of residence. Its better to just advocate for ethnic isolationism with the prevention of the formation of any new ethnicities as mass migration of any ethnic group will always lead to that, even if a new ethnic group is formed as legal citizenry they should still be considered immigrants in countries with original ethnicities still intact. Most ethnicities formed in the world post WWII have almost always been inherently detrimental to the places they inhabit, be it the Silicon valley Pajeets, British Black Immigrants from Rwanda, British Middle Easterners, British Pajeets, American Middle Easterners, French Middle Easterners, Japanese Americans, Japanese Australians and so on.
 
We have a minority of Muslims that chose to remain after the Ottomans were done, they signed some sort of agreement with the monarchy or w/e we had back then that their allegiance will be towards their new state, not some universalist Islamic caliphate. Details fuzzy, likely worth revisiting. They're generally OK and populate the east part of the country near the sea where there's a mix of Tatar, Romanian, Ukraine stuff. No chimping out even when we did NATO missions in the ME and Afghanistan.
> come from mutt nation with several colors and creeds represented
Muh collective identity
We're fucking tired being the only group of people being denied a collective identity, while all others are praised and positive.
> demands to renew a collective Romanian identity that doesn’t exist
First, I am quite pro-EU, in fact, I'm a pan-European, for very simple reasons. We are few. We do not reproduce much. We need to band and stick together, and set aside those differences, so we can stand against our enemies, and in 2023, that is Russia.
> forgets the whole national identity thing. Pretends Europeans are like endangered birds

so it’s not about the collective identity of Romania; or any other nation. what you really want is some kind of European Breeding Conservation program because you breed like pandas and are at risk of dying out if some autocratic regime doesn’t save you from globalism.

Lmao remind me why the true Europeans are so few again? It’s cause they killed each other in successive world wars, right? I’m pretty sure the killing each other in WWI and WWII has something to do with your genetic scarcity now. But yea you’re just one big happy family of white-passing Europeans, who definitely wouldn’t try to kill each other again if your resources weren’t centralized in Brussels.

I’m seeing a contradiction here. First you’re mad that you can’t be authentically Romanian, whatever that means (can’t have state outlawed abortion and overflowing orphanages I guess); later you say this is about a collective “European” identity, which is some mongrel of actual European ethnicities that’s only sort of coherent when a common enemy is looming above your heads.

This is why I don’t take European nationalism and the AfD/Golden Dawn people seriously. Americans and Canadians are at least honest that our collective identity is built upon immigration and compromise.
Go back to Mexico mongrel.
?-? I think you have me confused with Ethan Ralph?
"Both the New England Patriots and the Miami Dolphins believe in the same thing (scoring a field goal or getting a touchdown), why don't they just work together? I'm very smart btw."
NEP and Miami Dolphins aren’t really warring armies, they just pretend to be on TV.
 
This is why I don’t take European nationalism and the AfD/Golden Dawn people seriously. Americans and Canadians are at least honest that our collective identity is built upon immigration and compromise.
Common Marge you're smarter than this you wrote articles and are featured in NYT and more.
Which nationalism do you take seriously?
Do you understand the concept of imperfect boundaries?
Science creates boundaries and categories, as they are necessary for learning processes. This is why we have the Black Sea, Sea of Azov and the Marmara Sea. And Aegean. And the Med.
Because when you transmit knowledge, you need to transmit it in a proper format.
You cannot tell people "this is the human species", and everything else but universalism is pointless, as they are all mutts. We have to neatly create categories based on shared characteristics, like history, language, race and ethnicity.
Now you get it? Stop fighting this, especially as you fight it like some leftpol autist with all sorts of accusations and mockery of things you dislike. Again, you're a journo, a mother, you're rich enough to feed your dog things that many people would want for themselves. Have some dignity.
As for your perceived conflict between nationalism and a European identity, that does not exist unless you're a deconstructionist leftist or some Jewlumminati rightoid that thinks their 15M people nation would survive isolated.
The idea is pragmatic cooperation between nation-states for shared goals. Humans are experts at cooperation, when they want to.
Europeans have a LOT in common. Most importantly:
- we are perceived as white by the souf dindus and all sorts of PoCs and blacks, regardless if we are colonized peoples, like mine, or colonizers, like some blue eyed Anglo. That puts all of us in a category that we cannot escape from. And you can't escape it either, arguing that you're actually progressive Jewish won't do shit for you Marge if shit hits the fan. This is why you don't live in Baltimore or Detroit, in the hood.
- we have been mentally disabled by decades of progressive propaganda and guilt; yes a conservation project at a massive scale is needed, and all our resources should be pooled to assure the continuity and safety of the continent's indigenous peoples. Europe is the only lands we can truly claim our own, and we should police who enters it.
You have to do better, and you have to be less resentful.
As for AfD and so on, they are quite euroskeptic and almost explicitly pro-Russian. With the risk of eating MATIs from our pro-Russia faction, it's good to remember Russia is annexing lands and doing colonialism inside a European country, in fucking 2023, and is threatening to destroy the fragile peace we worked so hard to get to. No punishment is too small for such an evil, ESPECIALLY as Russia wants to ally with African and Middle Eastern countries to counter the US and EU. Imperfect as they are, Europeans have no alternative. Russia is an example of a multicultural atrocity that is not happy with anything less than an empire.
 
Which nationalism do you take seriously?
I find white nationalism in America pretty unsettling. Stupid on its logical merits, but still unsettling for its longevity and value in the minds of low class whites.
We have to neatly create categories based on shared characteristics, like history, language, race and ethnicity.
Except the categories created are far from neat and mostly don’t form on natural boundaries like rivers and seas. It’s just a sort of haphazard exercise in postwar border-making that’s become pretty superfluous since you’re all in one big Eurozone now. Your borders from a generation ago are nothing like today's borders, but that doesn't stop you from making an appeal to tradition.
You cannot tell people "this is the human species", and everything else but universalism is pointless, as they are all mutts. We have to neatly create categories based on shared characteristics, like history, language, race and ethnicity.
I can and I will. Neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, etc. Your national ethnicity is too weak to stand on its own two feet without NATO propping you up. Your European identity is also too weak to stand on its own without glossing over significant culture-clash points like language, history, race and ethnicity. You want multikulti, but only for white Europe.
And you can't escape it too, arguing that you're actually progressive Jewish won't do shit for you Marge if shit hits the fan. This is why you don't live in Baltimore or Detroit, in the hood.
These entreaties to my personal circumstances/ appeal to relative privation won't work. Any average American or Eurozone dweller of today lives better than a medieval king. I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you also have access to meat pretty much daily, that you could afford to feed your dog meat if you wanted to, and that you have high-speed fiber cable.

And before you bring up some individual examples of Muslims committing crimes in Europe: yes, yes. Plenty of white "European" men are also criminals. It's called confirmation bias; you read these race-biased stories in the Daily Mail or NY Post and it slots in perfectly with your already racially biased mindset, and reinforces to you that Muslims = rapists. OTOH, if you see news stories about European men raping, you shrug them off as a one-off, a single bad apple in an otherwise incorruptible European barrel. Because that's how confirmation bias works.

we are perceived as white by the souf dindus and all sorts of PoCs and blacks, regardless if we are colonized peoples, like mine, or colonizers, like some blue eyed Anglo. That puts all of us in a category that we cannot escape from.
"those blacks and Muslims made me a white European nationalist!" I'm skeptical that it's reverse racism from refugees that pushed you to this; Imo it has more to do with why you call them "souf dindus" despite their absence from this thread. I suspect that the skin color and religion triggers you, and then your confirmation bias leads you to classify these people as subhuman and NOT Europeans because (insert your favorite post-hoc reasoning here.)
we have been mentally disabled by decades of progressive propaganda and guilt; yes a conservation project at a massive scale is needed, and all our resources should be pooled to assure the continuity and safety of the continent's indigenous peoples. Europe is the only lands we can truly claim our own, and we should police who enters it.
If you need a safe space for your poorly defined ethnic group of white passing European peoples to try and fail to breed then it wasn't a very strong or cohesive identity. The disparate languages, disparate cultures, history of war between one another argue against there being a collective European identity, or at least one that withstands logical rigor. Are ethnic Romanian Jews (to the extent that there still are Romanian Jews) "European"? I suspect you'd say no.
The idea is pragmatic cooperation between nation-states for shared goals. Humans are experts at cooperation, when they want to.
Gee if only you could extend this magnanimity to people outside of your imaginary, loosely formed ingroup of "Europeans" that would have fought each other tooth and nail a single generation ago.

You're a decent chap and you're nice to me despite disagreeing with me. Thank you for that. But this notional "European identity" stuff still seems very contrived to me and not terribly conservative. It is reactionary, but you're reacting to the presence of Muslims in your country by seeking to return to a past that never happened (Europe was not a united continent before Eurozone, unless perhaps you count it as being "united" under Roman occupation.)
 
Doner Kebab is legit the tastiest food in Germany.

It never takes long for MUH ETHNIC FOOD to come out. Yep, you need millions of migrants from the most violent populations on Earth, and all the problems that come with it, from child sex trafficking to trash in the streets, because DONER KEBAAAAAB. DONER KEBAAAAB. Gotta accept cops with machine guns and concrete barriers to protect the Weinachtsmarkt from the Friedenwagen because DONER KEBAAAAB. DONER KEBAAAAB.

And frankly, if you like Arab street meat better than rouladen or weisswurst, you have no palate.
 
If you need a safe space for your poorly defined ethnic group of white passing European peoples to try and fail to breed then it wasn't a very strong or cohesive identity. The disparate languages, disparate cultures, history of war between one another argue against there being a collective European identity, or at least one that withstands logical rigor. Are ethnic Romanian Jews (to the extent that there still are Romanian Jews) "European"? I suspect you'd say no.
Gee if only you could extend this magnanimity to people outside of your imaginary, loosely formed ingroup of "Europeans" that would have fought each other tooth and nail a single generation ago.
You're a decent chap and you're nice to me despite disagreeing with me. Thank you for that. But this notional "European identity" stuff still seems very contrived to me and not terribly conservative. It is reactionary, but you're reacting to the presence of Muslims in your country by seeking to return to a past that never happened (Europe was not a united continent before Eurozone, unless perhaps you count it as being "united" under Roman occupation.)
There are still about 3-6K Romanian Jews. I have some close friends who are among them. It's a complicated issue. For example, one of them is a former girlfriend of mine. I'd consider her Romanian/European, cause she didn't care for her identity at all. Her mother however was an observing Jew and she tried to fuck with us, and me, numerous times. Basically every time she had the opportunity. She'd mock the Christian holidays, mock the nation itself, always tell inconvenient stories of purges and pogroms when we were eating and so on, and consistently pined about the greatness of Israel and how special the place was compared to low class mongrelized Romania, how great the food and people, and obviously how horrible the Palestinians and Arabs and how much of an inconvenience it was to see the occasional Arab student even in Romania. Overall, it poisoned our relationship and even her husband died telling her she's an evil woman.
TL;DR some Jews don't see themselves as Europeans and have no care about Europe. I cannot impose an identity they are hostile to on them. Some Jews may choose to embrace their identity. What choice do they have inside 19M people when they are just 6K? It's either emigrate or get assimilated. Their synagogues are basically all decrepit and deserted, their dialect is dying etc. Most Jews that choose to stay here are OK with it so I am OK with them staying. I am not OK with attempts to push historical collective guilt on us, not with institutions like Elie Wiesel Institute that are only here to moan about when some Romanian says something negative about Jews. Even Israel is kinda skeptical towards this shit, as the Likud (?I think?) was happy to hold talks through Israel Embassy with local "anti-Semite" reactionary party AUR, outraging the Jewish activists. Pragmatism and geopolitics, you know?
You have to understand this in pragmatic terms and give "Europeans" and their ethnic groups the same treatment you would give Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, and yes, Jewish.
It's only then when we reach mutual respect for each other's boundaries and places we inhabit we can have peace. I like peace, I like tech progress, economic prosperity, cultural exchanges, diplomacy, communication. But they have to come from that place of mutual respect. If one shows disgust, disrespect or overt enmity and hostility, you have no choice but to protect what you have and defend yourself.
Europe cannot be home to Africa. They have to build their own continent. Subhuman, no, but they didn't really contribute much to anything of relevance either. And even if they did, it would make no sense. Just because Chinese are big contributors to civilization and humanity, it doesn't mean they should come and live inside Europe by the millions. Just as we should not do that in their country. These are not unreasonable positions and allow for good relations between peoples. What you want leads to actual reaction and grugg uprisings that will eventually cannot be contained. Just because you have a vision of some ideal mixed humanity without conflict, but it's just a utopia as history shows.
 
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