I wanted to write you a well thought reply about my different set of reasons to despise cuckservatards and the GOP, but then I got to this bonus line.
Don't you think you should also address Israel too? You know, Jordan Peterson created a series of "Message to" some Abrahamic faith or group of people.
Guess which groups he has no message for? Yes, you guessed correctly.
View attachment 5356249
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
Peterson's not gonna touch Israel or Judaism with a ten foot pole, because he knows it polarizes his fan base and there’s very little he could say about it which they would find agreeable. (Peterson plays politics too; he can't say anything positive about Jews because his fans would hate him for it, and he can't say anything negative without the outside world describing his remarks as antisemitic.) Peterson has to play politics just like politicians do.
I have no such limitations, and I dislike Israel’s increasingly right-wing religious politics for the same reasons I dislike them at home. I'm happy to tell you more about this if you want to hear what I think of Israel (it's a mixed review. Hit or miss statesmanship, C-.) And for what it's worth, very few people on this Earth identify as Jewish any longer, and they're mainly concentrated in two places: NYC and Israel. So if Peterson is just going for applicability, he may as well focus on Muslims and Christians.
We're fucking tired of being treated like we're dangerous monsters that will genocide minorities if given power. We're fucking tired being the only group of people being denied a collective identity, while all others are praised and positive.
Okay so you’re an angry wignat, probably a German. Afaik nobody is stopping you from wearing dirndls and lederhosen (or whatever your state’s equivalent is.) Nobody's whipping you if you speak German, or forcibly emigrating your children to Russia to enculturate a Russian identity, burning down the sausage factories, enacting a prohibition on beer, banning Christmas markets etc.
You haven’t been denied your national identity; as I understand it, the state limits you from wearing Nazi symbology in public, with exceptions for artistic use (films, video games etc.) There is a difference between enjoying Celtic crosses and Thor hammer necklaces and reading the Edda vs. feeling that you’re being denied your culture because you can’t display Nazi flags in public.
If your "collective identity" is basically you want to wear the swastika, then I guess you're oppressed. But you're not being oppressed for being a white German man.
And no, Turks and Muslims NEVER built a thing in my country, they only destroyed it.
Be happy that I do not desire vengeance, and want trade, good relations and diplomacy, cause living together won't happen.
Do better. This is not Reddit nor Xitter.
??? Doner Kebab is legit the tastiest food in Germany. You can't have your globalism cake and eat it too; diplomacy cuts both ways. If Germany started expelling ethnic Turks, Turkey would respond with a trade shutdown. Not for nothing; a lot of Europe’s food is produced in Turkey. Nuts, fruits, fresh vegetables, etc.
I’m going to say I agree with this. That said, as previously pointed out, you’re against racism and seem to not understand why European ethnic replacement isn’t viewed positively by native Europeans. Kowtowing to minorities and immigrants is not a conservative stance because it runs counter to the idea of preserving the existing culture.
I’ll counter your question with a question:
Is this a bad thing to you? Other than being Christian, it seems like your social views are very progressive, and conservatism existing as it currently does would, to me, seem like a blessing to someone with your views.
Thank you for the thoughtful response.
I am against racism. The Alternativ fuer Deutschland people, Golden Dawn people, National Rally people, are all longing to return to a past that never existed. It's like a fairy tale that once upon a time there were no Muslims in Europe, and everyone was snow white and lived in total harmony. (Throughout history Germany has been in conflict with itself more often that it stood united. Its various clans and ethnic groups fought one another with the same zeal you have against people of color.)
Racism is not Christian, it's not even Jewish. I disagree that permitting people of other races to settle in your corner of the Eurozone amounts to "kowtowing" to them. You have free trade and passage between the borders of Europe, this stops you Europeans from killing each other yet again. You need to learn to share.
Whatever your means may be, your end goal is still the same, to get attention from the mostly male-skewing demographic of this sub-forum. Kinda sad tbh.
If you claim you're not just here to get attention, what are your goals? Don't tell me you honestly believe you're capable of indoctrinating anyone here into your ridiculous ideology.
May God send me tears to mourn sinfulness, anger so I may act against injustice and the foolishness to think I can make a difference.
I am being sincere.
It troubles me that many men of my approximate age have come to favor nationalism and autocracy. It's a real paradox: you think it's some rugged individualist statement to embrace fascism, but this is a doctrine of conformity and submission to the state. Things would get a lot worse for the free expression crowd if they lived under an autocratic regime similar to how China is today.
Has this ever worked? Like, have you ever changed a single mind like this? Even you must realize that being lectured by an out-of-touch frumpy white liberal woman has created more fascists than anything else in history.
I still think it's a cry for attention. That's why you keep replying.
I disagree. The frumpy white liberal woman who redpilled you is an imaginary person who lives in your head. This is a purely reactionary idelogy, you're embracing ethnic cleansing because it makes your mom upset.
You forget Harry Reid (D) who was Senate Majority Leader prior to The Wicked Mitch. He made it so SCOTUS appointments went from 60 vote majority to only 51. Short-term, it helped out Dems, but long-term screwed them over because of Trump who managed to utilize this rule change.
I won't deny the Democrats play politics too when it suits them. But Democrats at least have their ideology in order with their actions: if conservatism seeks
to conserve the status quo, and reactionism seeks to restore a past status quo (that may or may not have ever existed); then progressivism seeks to build something totally new, a kind of government that we haven't tried before. So if they want to amend Senate procedure it is at least in line with their ideology.
I personally think we should have civics tests for everyone to pass with a 75% or better to vote, because you need to learn more civics. Also, voter ID mandatory. If you think it disenfranchises blacks, remember that even
India, a very poor country, can still manage that.
I disagree, and "India has voter ID law" is not a good justification. Civics tests and poll taxes have historically been used to shut blacks out of the vote. Civics/literacy/etc tests are too easily abused. Voter ID is just another attempt to freeze mostly-Democratic urbanites out of the vote. The problem that it's supposed to fix, which is in person voter fraud, is vanishingly rare. It's a "solution" in search of a problem.
Also, the stupid people have to live under this government too. So they get a say in who rules over them, even if they are literally retarded. That's what democracy is, love it or embrace nationalism with racist overtones I guess.
That’s just people being edgy and the norm on here. Either get used to it or leave
I am used to it, but I don't want that word to become part of my vocabulary. You can try to compartmentalize the self you present on an pseudonymous Internet form and the self you present to your friends and family, but the stuff you say on Kiwi Farms is the same stuff you think to yourself when you're living IRL.
Excuse me, sir, but this is a forum for laughing at internet idiots. Get funny or get out.
This is Deep Thoughts, so in theory I'm allowed to be sincere.
Anyway, and I know this post is long as fuck so thank you for reading if you've gotten this far, but I did ask a wise apolitical friend about this issue, and here's what he had to say:
Conservatism seeks to maintain the status quo. What you're seeing on New Zealand Agricultural Forum is Reactionism, which takes conservative ideology just a little bit farther. Instead of trying to conserve existing practices and maintain the status quo, reactionaries want to turn back the clock and restore the practices of the past which have been abandoned. Interestingly, it doesn't matter if the reactionaries' goal is to restore a status quo that existed or not. Reactionaries could settle on restoring the Kingdom of Atlantis; so long as they believe Atlantis really existed then their political will to restore it is sincere. We end up grouping reactionaries under the 'conservative' umbrella because they are trying to restore a past status quo; whereas progressivism wants to build a society that is different from the status quo; a totally new kind of society. Neither of these ideologies is inherently good or bad.
Okay Miss Piggy
)