"Conservatism" isn't conservative.

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Stan

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There is nothing conservative about conservatism. When so-called conservatives aren't bankrupting the government with tax breaks for rich people (Bush), or handing out lump sum payments to everyone like its UBI (Trump), or making changes to our democratic norms to benefit their own party (McConnell, specifically his obstruction to nominate Supreme Court justices when Obama still had 1.5 years left on his second term and claiming this was a "norm"), misleading their base with lies (Trump), being weird Christian fundies (Ted Cruz), being weird non-Christian fundies (Romney) or deliberately fucking around with other states' interstate traffic (Chris Christie), or instituting protectionist tariffs to fuck around with the free market (Trump again), they are basically trying to court the bigotry vote at the state and federal level.

What's the current GOP platform these days? Restrict abortions and birth control. Blue Lives Matter. Don't raise the debt ceiling, but only if the Democrats want to raise it (if a Republican needs it raised, no problem). End all immigration in the nation of immigrants (basically an "I'm already aboard, pull up all the lifelines" policy. If you're 3rd-gen Italian, German, or Irish I'm talking to you.) Force women to accept substandard employment so that they depend upon a man (either husband or father) for economic prosperity. Jerrymander the fuck out of every voting district you can and change every election law that you think would favor Democrat voter turnout. Make elections as restrictive and unfair as possible in the name of fairness; cry foul when you lose anyway. Fall in line behind a corrupt President whom they all hated in the 2016 primary. Pretend that president didn't try to get them killed by an angry mob on Jan 6th.

Social conservatism is defined (per Wikipedia) as: "a political ideology focused on the preservation of traditional values and beliefs. It focuses on a concern with moral and social values which proponents of the ideology see as degraded in modern society by liberalism."

What about any of this represents a "preservation of traditional beliefs or values"? How do you guys expect to put so many antifeminist items on your agenda and secure the women's vote? How do you expect to earn any minority vote when the Hispanics are characterized by conservatives as lawbreaking wetbacks, the blacks as uncivilized and infantile, and Asians as plague-bearing commies?

Moreover why did the lauded party of Lincoln get so fucking racist?

Fiscal conservatism is defined (again, per Wikipedia) as "is a political and economic philosophy regarding fiscal policy and fiscal responsibility with an ideological basis in capitalism, individualism, limited government, and laissez-faire economics." How is starting a trade war with China laissez-faire economics? What about round after round of tax breaks or sending every American $1600 during the pandemic? How is that fiscally conservative?

Moreover, some of the pet projects and hobbyhorse policies from so-called "conservatives" on this forum read more like klansman jackoff fantasies or anti-intellectual conspiracy theories. For example: what is "conservative" about wanting to disenfranchise women and black people from the vote? (keep in mind the 13th Amendment was your party's idea in the first place.) What part of making women into hausfraus with substandard employment, enfranchisement, and control over their lives is "stimulating economic growth for all Americans [and] protecting constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms"? When you idiots wax poetic about how much you hate n-words, are you aware you're in the party that voted to emancipate them?

And Eurofags: what is your damage about Turks and Muslims living in your nations? Get the fuck over it. They're here, they rebuilt your country after it was leveled and depopulated in WWII, and they've as much right as any of you to live there.

Explain yourselves.
 
And Eurofags: what is your damage about Turks and Muslims living in your nations? Get the fuck over it. They're here, they rebuilt your country after it was leveled and depopulated in WWII, and they've as much right as any of you to live there.
Good bait until this part - you pushed it too far here.
 
> fat frumpy liberal chick trying to get attention from a bunch of conservative men

There's a fascinating anthropological study on this kind of behavior, where low value women attempt to get attention from high value men by nagging and pestering them in hopes it will lead to reproduction via hate sex. Wish I could remember the author. Oh well.
 
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I hope you spent a lot of time typing that all up because I didn't read it.
 
> fat frumpy liberal chick trying to get attention from a bunch of conservative men

There's a fascinating anthropological study on this kind of behavior, where low value women attempt to get attention from high value men by nagging and pestering them in hopes it will lead to reproduction via hate sex. Wish I could remember the author. Oh well.
> be me
> independently wealthy, naturally beautiful
> baptized and confirmed Episcopalian
> this moid negs me by calling me low value
>:story:
> still won't explain these contradictions of "conservatism"
Nigga, I ain't readin' all dat!
There's an option for that in the poll.
I hope you spent a lot of time typing that all up because I didn't read it.
then vote the poll and leave
 
> be me
> independently wealthy, naturally beautiful
> baptized and confirmed Episcopalian
> this moid negs me by calling me low value
>:story:
> still won't explain these contradictions of "conservatism"

There's an option for that in the poll.
I don't see a reason to debate the meaning of conservatism with a vapid idiot who is just here for male attention.

Besides, the whole premise of your argument is faulty because you ignorantly assume that racism is always bad and refuse to see the world beyond your narrow ethnocentric perspective.
 
There is nothing conservative about conservatism.
I’m going to say I agree with this. That said, as previously pointed out, you’re against racism and seem to not understand why European ethnic replacement isn’t viewed positively by native Europeans. Kowtowing to minorities and immigrants is not a conservative stance because it runs counter to the idea of preserving the existing culture.

I’ll counter your question with a question:
Is this a bad thing to you? Other than being Christian, it seems like your social views are very progressive, and conservatism existing as it currently does would, to me, seem like a blessing to someone with your views.
 
Guys for the love all that is holy stop responding to @Stan shitposting in threads like this. I don't think she's a straight up troll but she might as well be. You could present the most logically sound argument with heckin' facts and statistics and she will unironically hone in on the one part where you said whore and say "well, that's not very nice! How would your mother feel if blahblahblah". I promise you that you aren't going to convince her, because she's exactly the kind of person that would immediately be exiled from polite society if the pendulum starts swinging back. What you are doing is tantamount to trying to convince a heroin addict that we need to tighten up the laws on opoids. It's never going to happen because it directly cuts against his interests of being zonked out on heroin 24/7. Just save yourself a little bit of aggravation, trust me.
 
I don't see a reason to debate the meaning of conservatism with a vapid idiot who is just here for male attention.

Besides, the whole premise of your argument is faulty because you ignorantly assume that racism is always bad and refuse to see the world beyond your narrow ethnocentric perspective.
Castigating you is a bit different from the intentions you are projecting upon me. I'm scolding you, not flirting with you.
Swimming in cum doesn't count as a baptism
Your sexual frustration is noted, but irrelevant to my inquiry.
 
Castigating you is a bit different from the intentions you are projecting upon me. I'm scolding you, not flirting with you.
Whatever your means may be, your end goal is still the same, to get attention from the mostly male-skewing demographic of this sub-forum. Kinda sad tbh.

If you claim you're not just here to get attention, what are your goals? Don't tell me you honestly believe you're capable of indoctrinating anyone here into your ridiculous ideology.
 
Guys for the love all that is holy stop responding to @Stan shitposting in threads like this. I don't think she's a straight up troll but she might as well be. You could present the most logically sound argument with heckin' facts and statistics and she will unironically hone in on the one part where you said whore and say "well, that's not very nice! How would your mother feel if blahblahblah". I promise you that you aren't going to convince her, because she's exactly the kind of person that would immediately be exiled from polite society if the pendulum starts swinging back. What you are doing is tantamount to trying to convince a heroin addict that we need to tighten up the laws on opoids. It's never going to happen because it directly cuts against his interests of being zonked out on heroin 24/7. Just save yourself a little bit of aggravation, trust me.
You don't and you haven't. I know what I'd say in your place; but I'm not going to tell you that.
When I ask for sources, or even reasoning, you men blow up with anger and just start shitposting memes about n-words. Memes are the opposite of intellectual rigor. You say it's SO OBVIOUS HOW DO YOU NOT KNOW??? The best explanation I got was from RACISM, who said black people smell funny and they hated them since childhood. Well I don't. Explain like I'm five.
When I try to speak with you as an equal and understand what the fuck you weird Internet men believe, you start unloading all your frustrations about liberals and women (which are scarce here) on me. And spam off-topic and insincere shit like "I'm butthurt about selective service", and "divorce is prejudiced against men" (from an unmarried man with no children.)
If your political ideology is just bigoted anger, own it.
Whatever your means may be, your end goal is still the same, to get attention from the mostly male-skewing demographic of this sub-forum.

If you claim you're not just here to get attention, what are your goals? Don't tell me you honestly believe you're capable of indoctrinating anyone here into your ridiculous ideology.
You're fat and I wouldn't fuck you.
May I always be foolish enough to think I can change someone's mind.
 
You're fat and I wouldn't fuck you.
May I always be foolish enough to think I can change someone's mind.
Ew.

Don't tell me that you thought this thread would change any minds and not just result in people mocking you repeatedly.

Has this ever worked? Like, have you ever changed a single mind like this? Even you must realize that being lectured by an out-of-touch frumpy white liberal woman has created more fascists than anything else in history.

I still think it's a cry for attention. That's why you keep replying.
 
And Eurofags: what is your damage about Turks and Muslims living in your nations? Get the fuck over it. They're here, they rebuilt your country after it was leveled and depopulated in WWII, and they've as much right as any of you to live there.
I wanted to write you a well thought reply about my different set of reasons to despise cuckservatards and the GOP, but then I got to this bonus line.
Don't you think you should also address Israel too? You know, Jordan Peterson created a series of "Message to" some Abrahamic faith or group of people.
Guess which groups he has no message for? Yes, you guessed correctly.
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We're fucking tired of being treated like we're dangerous monsters that will genocide minorities if given power. We're fucking tired being the only group of people being denied a collective identity, while all others are praised and positive.
And no, Turks and Muslims NEVER built a thing in my country, they only destroyed it.
Be happy that I do not desire vengeance, and want trade, good relations and diplomacy, cause living together won't happen.
Do better. This is not Reddit nor Xitter.
 
(McConnell, specifically his obstruction to nominate Supreme Court justices when Obama still had 1.5 years left on his second term and claiming this was a "norm")
You forget Harry Reid (D) who was Senate Majority Leader prior to The Wicked Mitch. He made it so SCOTUS appointments went from 60 vote majority to only 51. Short-term, it helped out Dems, but long-term screwed them over because of Trump who managed to utilize this rule change.
what is "conservative" about wanting to disenfranchise women

from the vote?
I personally think we should have civics tests for everyone to pass with a 75% or better to vote, because you need to learn more civics. Also, voter ID mandatory. If you think it disenfranchises blacks, remember that even India, a very poor country, can still manage that.
When you idiots wax poetic about how much you hate n-words
That’s just people being edgy and the norm on here. Either get used to it or leave
And Eurofags
That’s their problem and you need to learn American politics better before discussing politics around the world
 
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