Concerns over strangulation during sex presentation plan - Bridgend Council has been criticised for creating a PowerPoint presentation that appeared to endorse strangulation during sex that was intended to be used in schools.

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Relationships and sexuality education curriculum is mandatory for those aged three to 16 in Wales

A council has been criticised for creating a PowerPoint presentation that appeared to endorse strangulation during sex that was intended to be used in schools.

The slides included the sentence: "It is never OK to start choking someone without asking them first."

Bridgend council said it was part of a "draft version", never shown to children and the slides were dropped following feedback from professionals.

But experts and politician Natasha Asghar have asked why the Welsh authority "deemed appropriate" to include an illegal act in any draft of the presentation.

Bridgend council commissioned the school resource from their in-house domestic abuse service, called Assia, and a presentation was leaked last year.

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer and Wales' First Minister Eluned Morgan were among those sent an open letter raising concerns of parents and professionals that deliver sex education lessons.

Claire Waxman, the Victims' Commissioner for London, also told The Times that the material was "deeply concerning".

Former Conservative MEP Baroness Jacqueline Foster also spoke out, telling Parliament that non-fatal strangulation was a criminal offence that could be punished with imprisonment.

The Welsh government said non-fatal strangulation was "dangerous and illegal" and added the resources Bridgend council gave schools "make this clear".

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Bridgend council commissioned the school resource but said the slide was removed at a draft stage and never shown to children
Bridgend council have since issued a "clarification" statement that said "the slides were part of inaccurate or out-of-date information that was either updated or removed".

But it raised further questions as to why the material and messaging existed in the first place, so BBC Wales asked them for more information.

The authority said the slide was part of an "active presentation".

"The idea was that the presenter would use the slide to stimulate debate before advising participants that non-fatal strangulation is actually a dangerous, illegal crime which carries significant penalties," said Bridgend council's statement.

They said that part of the presentation was dropped following feedback from professionals consulted during the drafting process.

Sources including Michael Conroy, who trains professionals like teachers to deliver sex education lessons, have told the BBC that they understand the presentation was offered to schools and youth settings to show.

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Michael Conroy works with schools in Wales and England and said there's a "vulnerability for schools" because they're expected to cover topics "none of their staff are trained to deliver"
However, the council denied this and said it was only sent "as a work in progress with a small group of professionals for their insight and views".

"It was presented as this is what we will teach to children, there was intention there," said Mr Conroy, a former personal, social and health education co-ordinator in schools, who did not receive the presentation from the council directly.

When Mr Conroy first saw the slide in question, he said it was "terrifying" and there was not any additional information about safety on other slides.

"The idea that someone is saying it's ok to strangle a person if you get a yes is atrocious," added Mr Conroy of Men at Work. "It's the opposite of safeguarding, it's a terrible breach of trust."

Welsh Parliament member Natasha Asghar said she had been contacted by "concerned parents" and called for Bridgend council to release the material.

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Welsh Senedd member Natasha Asghar says it is important young people are equipped with the right information to "make good choices"
"I'm requesting both versions of this PowerPoint presentation," said the Conservative Senedd member who sits on the Children, Young People and Education Committee.

"We shouldn't disguise the fact those responsible for creating the content originally deemed this appropriate. We need to look into this to make sure children are being taught properly."

Despite the council saying that the slide was not to be used in isolation, she said: "It does not negate from that fact those responsible for the content originally deemed it appropriate. This is where I have my concerns."

Ms Asghar said she had written to the council leader but was without a reply.

The example has raised concerns from parents, experts and politicians about what is being taught to children in school during sex education lessons.

"I know government will dismiss this as the work of just one sex ed provider but all parents should ask to see the materials their children are being taught in PHSE," said Fiona Mackenzie, who led a campaign to end the so-called rough sex defence in the Domestic Abuse bill.

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Campaigner Fiona Mackenzie has called for governments to take control of sex education material
"This is up to government to take control of sex ed materials, opening sex ed up to the market means anyone can set up to tell children how to have sex."

Bridgend council said in a statement: "We want to again confirm that local children are not being taught to believe that dangerous sexual behaviour is acceptable as long as consent is in place."

The Welsh government reiterated that "at no point were inappropriate materials shared for use in schools or seen by learners".

They said they had given extra funding to provide "expertise and support" to schools and local authorities and make sure resources were "age appropriate and in line with legal requirements".

"We have always been clear that any resources must be developmentally appropriate and in line with the legal requirements of the mandatory Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE) Code," the Welsh government statement added.

The UK government have been approached for comment.
 
Bridgend council have since issued a "clarification" statement that said "the slides were part of inaccurate or out-of-date information that was either updated or removed".
i.e. We got caught, backtracked so there's nothing to see here and definitely nothing anyone should be held accountable for.

No, we’ve had a few really awful cases here where several women (and a few young men) were raped and tortured to death and the perp tried to use ‘she liked it rough’ as a defence, and got off either free or with a minor slap on the wrist. The nathalie Donnelley case for example where she was killed in a pretty gruesome way and he left her to bleed out. He got off with a negligence manslaughter rap and was out in a few months.
The defence was used inappropriately (she was beaten over hours, multiple broken bones including a broken skull, and CoD was a spray bottle rammed into her vagina and ripped out which caused massive bleeding.) her injuries were not ‘rough sex’ they were hours of torture.
UK law has a precedent that you cannot consent to acts that kill you (spanner case) and yet they argued she liked it rough m’lud.
The juries are being given this defence becasue everything’s so pornified that it’s seen as normal, but this isn’t normal at all, and it’s quite right they’ve cracked down on it.
Anyway, kids should be taught about REPRODUCTION not ‘how to do sex’ and certainly not ‘how to do kinky sex.’ They should get the kind of talk we got. We were split into boy and girl groups. We got just the basics of reproductive biology, puberty, STDs, periods and I assume the boys got the boy version. Perfectly adequate.
Anyone who wants to teach kids ‘how to do sex’ is a pervert, and should be fed to lions
Operation Spanner (R v Brown) goes further than that. It decided that consent was not a valid defence to wounding or assault occasioning actual bodily harm, no need for fatality (or anything approaching it). It was also used to justify the criminalisation of the possession of "extreme pornography". Arguably it's an example of hard cases making bad law as although it was presented (and prosecuted) as consensual private gay sadomasochistic sex parties there were considerable doubts about just how consensual some of the acts were.
 
Wasn't it a vine-era "prank"/"challenge" to choke yourself or a friend out to get high or something? Is the UK trying to bring it back?
Anyway, kids should be taught about REPRODUCTION not ‘how to do sex’ and certainly not ‘how to do kinky sex.’ They should get the kind of talk we got. We were split into boy and girl groups. We got just the basics of reproductive biology, puberty, STDs, periods and I assume the boys got the boy version. Perfectly adequate.
When I was a kid it was basically "here's how puberty is gonna work; don't freak out" and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9V0cSd1KQ
High School version was "don't bang eachother and if you do, wear a rubber or else you'll get aids"
 
I assume stuff like this is why "She liked it rough" as a defence works. What came first though, the chicken or the egg? Did this start leading to strangulations or did the increase in strangulations lead to it being normalized in schools?
 
I swear Otterly, you should flee from that God forsaken land.
Urgh. I know. It has its charms but we are in dire need of some cleaning
When I was a kid it was basically "here's how puberty is gonna work; don't freak out" and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku9V0cSd1KQ
High School version was "don't bang eachother and if you do, wear a rubber or else you'll get aids"
Exactly. How baby is made, basic puberty, basic STD chat. Done. We all got the gist, there were basic good resources like ‘the body book’ in the library. All fine.
I assume stuff like this is why "She liked it rough" as a defence works. What came first though, the chicken or the egg? Did this start leading to strangulations or did the increase in strangulations lead to it being normalized in schools?
Porn. Yes I know we will never eradicate porn, and I don’t think we need to - people like sexy pictures and looking at tits. That’s fine, it’s human nature. But the total access, and hardcore stuff being a click away is a DISASTER. Young people’s first exposure to the other sex should not be watching that. The whole of society is pornified. Everything, TV, how people act and dress, pride parades, everything is so hyper sexualised it’s awful. Onlyfans is a good example. that would have ruined your life before and now it’s pedestrian.
It’s all been normalised, and this is just another wedge to normalise it to kids.
And then you see it - here you see every time choking is talked about it’s ’oh But every woman wants it IME.’ And hey maybe they do, I’m not 20, but NOBODY my age (and I’m not ancient, just middle aged) would have thought that was normal.
The idea of talking to kids about this stuff is monstrous. Kids should be innocent. At high school age you can have a very sanitised talk about sex from the perspective of safety, but a three year old should have no idea sexuality even exists. They cannot process such things.
That goes for a lot of stuff pushed on kids as well like the ‘serious racism talk’ and all that. Kids don’t have the adult baggage. Forcing them to confront subjects too old for them is grooming.
I’m thankful that this seems to be a line in the sand for more people than all the other boundary invasions. It gives me a bit of hope that the basic instincts we have are not completely subverted yet, despite the onslaught of social engineering to do son
 
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