WhimsicalTrolli
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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Pilule Noire
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Well this is confusing - Coach Malin has always advised the CG younglings that drawing streams do terribly on Youtube (and presumably that JACK show type antics are the way to go)
But then how is Proko pulling in well over a thousand live viewers for a literal doodling stream??
But then how is Proko pulling in well over a thousand live viewers for a literal doodling stream??
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i think old Star wars is lost forever because of the mindset the people of the industry, or just the people in general today. You aren’t going to get that wholesome innocence and sense ofepic adventure that the original trilogy had because they will think that people are too jaded and will try and inserts new twists in the genre that half the time do not work or they will try spread their message/current politics into a universe where it really doesn’t make sense to do so. At best, any new Star Wars stuff that comes out will be fan fiction at best and will need a cutesy character like baby Yoda to get vapid newbies to be interested in the franchise even if it is actually good like The Mandolorian.
Yeah, except that she fit the same exact profile of the landwhales he is always railing against...
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Yeah, but Proko is a dedicated Art channel with over 2 million subscribers, he doesn't have to build anything at that point and people tune in for his art stuff (and to be fair 1K viewers for 2M sub channel is around what? 0.05% engagement). Not that I agree with Malin, people are perfectly willing to tune in for anything as long as it's entertaining and if you stream regularly on schedule for people to tune in.
That got my nogging jogging: how much of CGs content is actually dedicated to art and not the movement and the surrounding shitstorms? I know Nasser tried to do his horror stuff and that most of Fraga's stuff is art or comic related, and EVS occasionally makes draw streams, but that is all I can think of from the top of my head.
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SMiller and Doug also have/had channels solely dedicated to art. At least Doug did until his two other channels got nuked. They didn’t get as many views as their other stuff. I guess it’s all about the crowd you attract when you first brand yourself. CG and art streams don’t really mix and have two totally different audiences.
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Don't go there.
You don't want her. Trust me. I've been shown pictures. Horrible pictures....
As for the "mom bra," she's had three kids.
NasserRabadi13
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I've reached out to the smaller ones. It's all a bunch of people looking for somebody with a big audience to latch onto. I've tried them all. I've tried smaller YouTube channels, but they're "busy reading popular stuff" and they keep trying to get peepee touches from bigger YouTubers. The bigger ones won't give you the time of day, and they just shill for whatever corporate sequels come out that month.
Friday the 13th has been in a copyright battle for years, there hasn't been a new one since 2009, and nobody knows if there'll be one this decade. A lot of people are unhappy with Halloween 2018 (despite the fact that it made a lot of money, a lot of fans didn't like it), and you'd think that horror fans would want a new slasher SOMETHING that is new that's fresh but that also incorporates the slasher tropes they all know and love. But nope.
Any time I try to go anywhere near the "horror community" or "book community" it doesn't go well, they only want to be cool with whoever is popular, but it's okay because they're a bunch of weirdos anyways. At this point I just need to get more serious about standing on my own two feet, and figuring out how to build up readers without loser "booktubers" or "horrortubers."
Because that dude has 2.2 million subs. He could get 1k people to tune in for a stream where he's s clipping his toenails if he wanted to.
Pilule Noire
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Does percentage engagement really mean anything, though? I guess it does for CG, with its business model of gouging an audience of ignorant mental defectives. But in general terms, aren't the raw numbers what matter most? Proko is an interesting one to compare to Jeremy of Dumb & Dumber, since they've both built websites around 'muh brand' while building Youtube channels for promotion. Proko is doing better though, because he has a purpose to him, whereas Jeremy's brand seems to have no real point to it other than it being his brand that he can say is his brand.
Another way of looking at the engagement/investment question is David Finch. He pretty much started regular Youtubing one year ago, and he's already caught up to Frog in sub count:
The really interesting data will come when Finch launches a crowdfunded comic. He's been promoted on Proko, but has also spoken well of Frog (and Frog of him), so it'll be interesting to see how he does.
I definitely can't imagine Mandy Summers watches many online art tutorials. But Dan Fraga on the other hand merges these things quite well, although he tends to keep the heavy CG retardation off his channel. Even Sketch Therapy magically ceases to be a retard and behaves himself when he comes on Fraga's channel. It's really only Coach Malin who alas, remains frustratingly immune to Dr Fraga's unretardation spell.
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Pilule Noire may not have picked the best example of the effectiveness of drawstreams, what with a 2.2 million subscriber channel getting around the same number of live viewers as the JACK show.
A better example would be someone like CreepShow Art. Creepshow Art, an independent artist who started out working for online commissions, built a channel commenting on Internet Famous people during drawstreams banging out art for $80-$100. Now she's sitting at 500K subscribers which, depending on your definition, is more than everyone in Comicsgate put together.
It's not as though she is unaware of comic books either; here's a drawstream describing Rob Liefeld as "the worst comic artist of all time" sitting at 370K views, and another trashing "woke superheroes". Nowadays thugh she cranks out expose vids about various youtubers abusing children. Sometimes when watching these I wonder how well a crowdfunded comic by Creepshow could do.
There's already been one Dynamite-Finch variant cover campaign and while the total was relatively low compared to a high-profile Comicsgate crowdfund, getting $25,000+ out of 200 backers for a variant cover is no small feat. Who knows how well he'll do when he finally decides to launch a full-sized comic project.
The one common thread I noticed with successful drawstreams is that there's something else to them besides the drawing itself, whether it's very informative tutorial content like what David Finch puts out while drawing, or discussing drama or news the viewer might find interesting beyond the drawing itself. Or be a high profile enough artist like Jim Lee that other artists will actually go out and study your techniques. Some sort of theme or purpose for the show existing beyond watching some bored guy make noises with his mouth as he silently fuddles his way through another panel.
A better example would be someone like CreepShow Art. Creepshow Art, an independent artist who started out working for online commissions, built a channel commenting on Internet Famous people during drawstreams banging out art for $80-$100. Now she's sitting at 500K subscribers which, depending on your definition, is more than everyone in Comicsgate put together.
It's not as though she is unaware of comic books either; here's a drawstream describing Rob Liefeld as "the worst comic artist of all time" sitting at 370K views, and another trashing "woke superheroes". Nowadays thugh she cranks out expose vids about various youtubers abusing children. Sometimes when watching these I wonder how well a crowdfunded comic by Creepshow could do.
I've written about David Finch's quick rise over the past year as it happened here and here, tl;dr: David Finch is who Nick Barrucci is building up next as a sort of version of youtube-driven comic book crowdfunding without the insanity and retardation that came with Comicsgate. When asked by CG ambassador Sketch Therapy, Finch answered that his opinions on anything outside his channel are none of his concern, that he's just here to draw and everyone who wants to watch is welcome.
There's already been one Dynamite-Finch variant cover campaign and while the total was relatively low compared to a high-profile Comicsgate crowdfund, getting $25,000+ out of 200 backers for a variant cover is no small feat. Who knows how well he'll do when he finally decides to launch a full-sized comic project.
The one common thread I noticed with successful drawstreams is that there's something else to them besides the drawing itself, whether it's very informative tutorial content like what David Finch puts out while drawing, or discussing drama or news the viewer might find interesting beyond the drawing itself. Or be a high profile enough artist like Jim Lee that other artists will actually go out and study your techniques. Some sort of theme or purpose for the show existing beyond watching some bored guy make noises with his mouth as he silently fuddles his way through another panel.
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Malin has the presence of a wet sponge, that's why. Proko is always a fun one to watch, and often will share tips. Also I kinda feel CG's built upon "us vs the SJDUBS" while Proko just likes to talk art. I may be in the minority here, but that's fun to watch.
This reads like the beginning of an H.P Lovecraft novel.
it was realeased, and it got a shit ton of bad reviews. Frog had to go in total damage control when people saw what they were getting. Jeff went the cheapest route possible and used a printer that put out magazines and sales advertisements.
here is an article from Bleeding Cool that can tell you how bad it really was.
$52,000 Crowdfunded Star Wars Parody Comic That Shipped Without Packaging
Stealing Solo: A Captain's Parody is a comic book parody of the Star Wars: Episode VIII, The Last Jedi, intended as a critique of what the creators callbleedingcool.com
I hope nobody minds if I say thanks a second time, I appreciate this kind of info. Also, holy shit what a dumpster fire
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With the recent uptick in thotery being reported on, I am worried that very soon I will turn into @TheCosmicWarrior's channel, and it will just be an hour of him screaming "THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!!!"
I should write him into Three Cunts and a Gorilla as the "Minister Next Door." Plenty of potential for wacky adventures there.
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I should write him into Three Cunts and a Gorilla as the "Minister Next Door." Plenty of potential for wacky adventures there.
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As a mangafag
BlueKnight
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Her accent melts my ears off. I can't watch her videos for that reason alone.
Pilule Noire
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Ahh, you brought me back fond memories of Doug T's inking streams, now there was a guy who could pull off the blithering-and-artistry stream like few others can. Lovely brushed inks and truly insane/genius blither to accompany it. But they are no more! They're a forgotten casualty of this damn election.
His much smaller Draftsmen podcast channel is just about to hit 50K subs, I enjoy that but they rarely talk about comics as an artform, in fact they never do, which is odd because one guy is talking about story all the time, the other guy about art, and yet neither of them seem to be into comics.
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Oh, I didn't say he was wrong.
It's just that, knowing that Jon has a strong opinion on these things, I think he might be in for a rough ride.
Also, he may very well be right that women bring nothing of value to comic books. As in, the status quo speaks for itself.
Manga is very different, and those are women from a different and more conservative culture.
ETA: That said, there's also some opinions Jon has that I think are silly. Some of which he expressed earlier in the video. Like his opinion that divorce should be outright illegal. He's openly admitted people consider him "extremist" for some of his views. I dunno if I'd use that term, but I just know I disagree and he hasn't got a prayer in hell of getting that.
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Pilule Noire
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The flagship (?) show Comicsgate Presents on Malin's channel now, around 175ish viewers 20 minutes in. Healthy or meagre? I suppose it depends what you're comparing it to, they're slightly beating Nasser watching a fat lady eating cake last night, but badly losing to Proko doodling with some guy from DeviantArt earlier.
Is/does anybody here watch this show?
Here's the lineup:
My knowledge of them that I can impart to the farms::
1. Is the son of Rob Liefeld
2. Is friends with Liam? And makes shit comics? (I'm choosing to trust @Unverified on that)
3. Apparently swiped a ton of art for his first comic, which Smiller hilariously brought up while awkwardly/halfassedly interviewing him.
4. No idea, looks similar to top and bottom guy
5. Not very good artist who says 'like' too much, like a vacuous teenage girl
Is/does anybody here watch this show?
Here's the lineup:
My knowledge of them that I can impart to the farms::
1. Is the son of Rob Liefeld
2. Is friends with Liam? And makes shit comics? (I'm choosing to trust @Unverified on that)
3. Apparently swiped a ton of art for his first comic, which Smiller hilariously brought up while awkwardly/halfassedly interviewing him.
4. No idea, looks similar to top and bottom guy
5. Not very good artist who says 'like' too much, like a vacuous teenage girl
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And none of them look like they'd be allowed within five hundred meters of an elementary school.
These two channels draw stand alone sketches, just some random character in a pose with basically no background, their streams are about talking while doing something that honestly doesn't take that much effort.
This is nothing compared to actually drawing a comic, which is much more technical, since each panel is supposed to help a carry forward a narrative and exists in the context of the one before and serves to provide the context of the one that follows, including why those characters are even doing whatever pose is being depicted.
99% of these random sketch artists are absolutely unable to draw a comic past the first few pages before they draw themselves into a corner the same way that 99% of literature majors are unable to finish their fan fiction.
Tumblr and deviant art are full of "This is my new comic!" announcements followed by 2 pages and then the third one posted 1 year later and then nothing.
Drawing a comics is mostly boring to see, every panel is not just a pinup, the artist is usually not the only one to lay a hand on it, there might be someone else doing the inks and colors.
They might make good time lapse videos, but you probably don't want to spoil your work, since people are actually paying for it, not for the videos.
Even Jim Lee who does a lot of drawing on youtube only does sketches, not actual comics (which he's basically retired from now).
However, probably the most fun drawing stream ever is actually Ethan's. At the height of TFM he suddenly decided to draw Slave Rose Tico in all her stumpy, chubby glory while actually engaged with the chat.
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Midnight Edge used to be interesting, but they went into podcasts, which would be interesting if they didn't last 3+hrs. And then they went full retard and unironically introduced this - Toxic Femininity- the podcast with females from FM. Before they moved all livestream to archive channel, the comments section was full of people asking why the hell anybody thought 4 women sperging about star wars was good fit for movie analysis type of channel. Probably pussy. And Tom answering with idiotic 'why would you think it doesn't fit our channel?'.
Kinda hoped this fall out would stop them from continuing, but alas.
If you want to hear how truly idiotic the women of FM are, this is it.
You aren't wrong.
As for Brie Larson, frankly she deserves quite a bit of mocking, this is her, a Hollywood A+star, Oscar winner, 500k subs on YT fundraising for women on Women's Day. She had it set for 20k. This is nothing compared to what any of these grifters makes on good night if superchats. I'm surprised none of them noticed this fail of hers.
Brie Larson is unmarketable even among her fans.
Kinda hoped this fall out would stop them from continuing, but alas.
If you want to hear how truly idiotic the women of FM are, this is it.
You aren't wrong.
Wait, wait, wait. She's got a boyfriend? Miss I-have-dangerhair-but-actually-I'm-not-a-dangerhair-lesbian *teheee jiggle cam closeup*? I can't be arsed to even look at her vid library, because I hate her voice, but she said she's a dommy lesbian while cracking that sad whip of hers and saying not all dangerhairs are SJWs because she's prime example of the exception.
As for Brie Larson, frankly she deserves quite a bit of mocking, this is her, a Hollywood A+star, Oscar winner, 500k subs on YT fundraising for women on Women's Day. She had it set for 20k. This is nothing compared to what any of these grifters makes on good night if superchats. I'm surprised none of them noticed this fail of hers.
Brie Larson is unmarketable even among her fans.