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FROG said:
I don't care if ComicsGaters do political comics. My "I don't think it's 'ComicsGate' and I think it's a waste of Chuck Dixon's time" wasn't an edict, it was just my opinion.

The reason I'm still here is because it wasn't a hill and I didn't die on it. Lim was shunned for reasons other than the comics he was producing. He's an asshole. He hasn't been missed.
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Since you're a comics pro, have you ever met Todd McFarlane? What's he like? Will Spawn the Animated Series ever get a fourth season?
 
Captain Manning said:
Yeah, @FROG was (is?) of that opinion. So were a lot of CG sycophants. I imagine Lim rolled his eyes, said "yeah, whatever," and used it anyways.

And wouldn't you know it... it worked. Most normal-ass people just want to know where to input their credit/debit card info.

It was really fucking funny watching Liam trip on his own dick concerning this. If anybody hasn't seen it, here's pure cringe:

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A rare stream from the smooth brain Liam Gray of Conquest Comics. Here Liam goes on a 30 minute rant about Tim Lim and his campaign for Kamen America 2. he gets corrected and eats humble pie in real time. Due to this, Liam had to contrive an excuse …
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Suffice it to say, KA2 beat out Xenotype. KA3 did even better.

Anyways, my point is that if you compare KA to Jawbreakers, Lim isn't quite there yet. However, to be fair, Zach isn't there anymore either. Right now, watching Tim is like watching a race car move up through the pack at a pretty good clip.
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There's no proof that running your campaign across two platforms isn't just splitting your funding. Even Doug TenNapel realizes this, which is why he offers different perks on each platform. Most CGers don't want to give money to Black Lives Matter activists, so we don't use KickStarter.

"Normal ass people" want to know where to input their credit card info, as you say. One platform, which we promote, makes that question easier. Creating confusion about where you should purchase is a problem. Using both, as TenNapel does, might cause confusion, unless you're offering an Exclusive Leather Bound perk on one campaign launched a few weeks after the other one closes.

Ya Boi Zack is making things his audience isn't asking for, but that he wants to make. His numbers are predictably going down, as he finds the customers that just want whatever it is he makes, rather than the more commercial JAWBREAKERS stuff I personally hear most people clamoring for.

Tim Lim stopped making Trump and bunny shit, and started making more commercial manga boobie books. His numbers will increase, because KAMEN AMERICA is a far easier sell. This is why I suggested CGers stop making gay Trump comics three years ago. Glad he finally caught on.

Captain Manning said:
With all due respect, I'm not sure I buy that.

You might not miss the personality clashes, but I think you're lamenting that his success could have been associated with Comicsgate if you were a little more flexible.

Regardless, I'm eager to see what the future holds.
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He's just joined the six figure club, added up over two platforms, after three or four years of crowdfunding. He's on Sweetcast's track for success, essentially, and Clint is a nicer guy.

I was completely flexible with him. He constantly sabotaged me with gay ops and weird conflicts with small time indie creators. If he wanted to be part of the family, he'd still be here. Simple as that.

MarvinTheParanoidAndroid said:
Since you're a comics pro, have you ever met Todd McFarlane? What's he like? Will Spawn the Animated Series ever get a fourth season?
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Aw, a nice question. Yes, I've met Todd McFarlane many times. He is extremely kind and gracious with his fans. I don't know about any of his future plans, though.
 
FROG said:
I don't care if ComicsGaters do political comics.
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Then why made a big stink about it to Tim? Now it's not a problem because back done 2 politically time sensitive books?

FROG said:
He's an asshole.
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Pot calling the kettle?

FROG said:
He hasn't been missed.
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Yet he put out more books on time than most of cg even tried to and his books are well received of praise and not loyalty buys.


FROG said:
bunny shit
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Yet there's a crossover between black ops and Kamen America that made 72k...how are you going to hate on a dude making bunny books yet your claim to efame is a frog. Pot calling the kettle again?


FROG said:
He constantly sabotaged me with gay ops and weird conflicts with small time indie creators.
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What gayops because for the best 2 years it was your group that was doing gayops on people. If Tim done gayops then he should be criticized but the stuff is 3 years ago and the dude hasn't talked about you a lot since his exit from it seems.
 
FROG said:
My motives were, "I'm collecting blacklisted mainstream creators and trying to get them to create new stuff, so that we can fund campaigns as a group. Chuck Dixon should be with us. What is he doing making exploitation comics? Waste of his energy."
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I only say "debatable" because there's no real way to disprove Newman's conjecture that Vox Day was surreptitiously eliminated to help cover tracks for the grand conspiracy against Tim Lim.

I'm just throwing out that there may have been an organic sentiment against "politics in comics" at the time and it may have had something to do with the far right fringe political figure who wanted to stake his claim as leader and owner of Comicsgate as trademark. It turned out the majority of fans and pros unhappy with the mainstream comic status quo didn't necessarily want to tie themselves to figures like Vox Day.

Who knows though, maybe Vox Day was secretly goaded into making these moves by Frog in DMs in order to lay the groundwork for the following moves against Tim Lim. The conspiracy against Tim Lim could stretch back years and indeed predate Comicsgate itself. We just don't know.
 
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WhimsicalTrolli said:
Then why made a big stink about it to Tim? Now it's not a problem because back done 2 politically time sensitive books?


Pot calling the kettle?


Yet he put out more books on time than most of cg even tried to and his books are well received of praise and not loyalty buys.



Yet there's a crossover between black ops and Kamen America that made 72k...how are you going to hate on a dude making bunny books yet your claim to efame is a frog. Pot calling the kettle again?



What gayops because for the best 2 years it was your group that was doing gayops on people. If Tim done gayops then he should be criticized but the stuff is 3 years ago and the dude hasn't talked about you a lot since his exit from it seems.
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This is exhausting.

Everything will make much more sense when you factor in that Tim Lim was virtually invisible to me in 2017-2018. I saw THUMP, Tim had sent me a copy, which I appreciated, but he wasn't really on my radar. I cared about Chuck Dixon not Tim Lim. I wanted him to create an IP and join us.

I don't care about Tim Lim or his comics now, and I didn't care then. He was invited to join us when he started sending me messages suggesting that I was stepping on a lot of indie toes, and problems were going to be made for me if I didn't platform him and his friends. I didn't see that as the threat that it was. I just thought, "OK, the more the merrier."

Tim spent years poisoning my name to anyone who would listen to him.

War Campaign doubtlessly did gay ops shit, so did TUG and whoever else. If I was involved in any of it, it would have come out by now. Or maybe it still will! I'm not worried, because I wasn't involved in that shit, although I did think War Campaign making fun of Tim was funny, and enjoyed their memes.

Bloody bunny said:
Do you ever think someday you might have to find a way to sell cyber frog on a more regular bases?other then once in a while on indigo go like at a retailer where people can just pick up at anytime.
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Yes, I would like to sell CyberFrog at Barnes and Noble once I have a nice collected edition.

Also, I am thinking of selling Dale Keown's SALAMANDROID book through the Direct Market, and putting information about IndieGoGo and how to back other CyberFrog comics in the back of the book.
 
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FROG said:
This is exhausting.

Everything will make much more sense when you factor in that Tim Lim was virtually invisible to me in 2017-2018. I saw THUMP, Tim had sent me a copy, which I appreciated, but he wasn't really on my radar. I cared about Chuck Dixon not Tim Lim. I wanted him to create an IP and join us.

I don't care about Tim Lim or his comics now, and I didn't care then. He was invited to join us when he started sending me messages suggesting that I was stepping on a lot of indie toes, and problems were going to be made for me if I didn't platform him and his friends. I didn't see that as the threat that it was. I just thought, "OK, the more the merrier."

Tim spent years poisoning my name to anyone who would listen to him.

War Campaign doubtlessly did gay ops shit, so did TUG and whoever else. If I was involved in any of it, it would have come out by now. Or maybe it still will! I'm not worried, because I wasn't involved in that shit, although I did think War Campaign making fun of Tim was funny, and enjoyed their memes.
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Man you were fucking gullible back then.now you know how these assholes operate.
 
FROG said:
Tim spent years poisoning my name to anyone who would listen to him.
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I mean you did call jda a neo-Nazi, called doug a homophobe, if Tim is poisoning your name show us, he hasn't said nothing about you since the initial departure and the tweet asking wc to leave him alone, if he has I would tell him to focus on kamen but he has been quiet about cg for awhile.
 
Mister Dongs said:
I only say "debatable" because there's no real way to disprove Newman's conjecture that Vox Day was surreptitiously eliminated to help cover tracks for the grand conspiracy against Tim Lim.

I'm just throwing out that there may have been an organic sentiment against "politics in comics" at the time and it may have had something to do with the far right fringe political figure who wanted to stake his claim as leader and owner of Comicsgate as trademark. It turned out the majority of fans and pros unhappy with the mainstream comic status quo didn't necessarily want to tie themselves to figures like Vox Day.
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Ha ha. The Grand Conspiracy Against Tim Lim.

I remember the original DM room for ComicsGate that had the class of 2018. I remember getting extremely angry at something Tim was doing or saying, and I said, "This is strike 3, Tim. I've had it with you." This was after the manuscript incident, etc. Anyhow, Tim said, "I didn't know you were keeping count." He'd joined (or started) a Facebook group for Diversity And Comics that spent most of the time bashing me, people were showing me screenshots.

Anyhow, he left the DM room and took Brett Smith with him, who was angered at the YouTube chat labeling him "Gay Glasses Guy."

I would have ignored the Vox Day problem, honestly. I was too busy with other things. But ComicsGaters demanded something be done about it, because they didn't want to be tied to his politics, and clearly this was a dirty trick. I was encouraged make Vox stop, and so I did. At the time, Vox Day and I had a cordial relationship, honestly. I spoke with him on the phone about comics and comicsgate now once a month or so. But I agreed that trademarking ComicsGate to put out far right wing comics was probably ill intended.

WhimsicalTrolli said:
I mean you did call jda a neo-Nazi, called doug a homophobe, if Tim is poisoning your name show us, he hasn't said nothing about you since the initial departure and the tweet asking wc to leave him alone, if he has I would tell him to focus on kamen but he has been quiet about cg for awhile.
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I said "was" poisoning my name. I don't know or care what he's doing or saying now.
 
FROG said:
I said "was" poisoning my name. I don't know or care what he's doing or saying now.
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You said for years


FROG said:
Tim spent years poisoning my name to anyone who would listen to him.
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Right here, you didn't say he was, you said he spent years and you guys only knew each other from 2018 which is only 2 in a half years because cg really started developing live streams/books the fall of 2018 while high council's first show was the April or may (clarification first high council was April 11th) of 2018 which I enjoyed the 1st year of the hc before the spilt happened.
 
FROG said:
There's no proof that running your campaign across two platforms isn't just splitting your funding.
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There's no proof that it IS. As the person making the claim, the onus on you is to back it up. Tim's success on both platforms casts serious doubts on the validity of your claim. It's like you can not accept that maybe you're WRONG.

FROG said:
Most CGers don't want to give money to Black Lives Matter activists, so we don't use KickStarter.
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Most CGers are idiots, and are probably a minority of the people buying the books anyways. What's your point?

Doubtful CGers are Lim's primary audience. Especially seeing as he is not CG.

WhimsicalTrolli said:
I mean you did call jda a neo-Nazi, called doug a homophobe,
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TBF, Doug is a bit of a homophobe. Not sure about JDA.

But who gives a shit as it applies to the products they produce?

Again, I can not emphasize enough that CG should be a "bit tent" where people who are marginalized by more mainstream distribution and funding sources (due to their politics) can get a fair shake.

Christ. If I I threw a shitfit over every creative personality expressing a political or social view I disagree with, there are countless TV shows, movies, books, etc. that I would feel compelled to not watch/read anymore. Art vs. Artist is a thing. You can not convince me otherwise.
 
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Captain Manning said:
Zach's suit is a complete functional failure. For while Waid likely can't say anything about Zach, it has become apparent that independent creators don't need the same distribution channels that big industry creators use. Waid's supposed ability to outright cancel Zach is somewhat dubious. To wit, I still don't know if Zach would have been able to prove damages. Most people (self included) cheered this on because Waid is a faggot who deserves bad things. Not because Zach got irreparably harmed from Waid's actions.

Meanwhile, given that harping on SJWs is a big part of CG, it's embarrassing that Zach can never again talk about what a piece of shit Waid is.
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It sure looks that way, but what is Waid doing right now in comics?
YBZ sure took him out and had a lot of SJWs scared of direct collusion.
Hell, what he did was go out and shout that the king is naked, and people noticed. Including influencial people who would never admit they ever heard of him.

I think that much of the hatred comes from people expecting the guy to be a careercow that will get into full on total war on cancel culture. Instead he is a weirdo who said what he had to say and coasts towards irrelevance. And seems to want it this way.

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It just dawned on me that 499, RnRN, The ballad on No and Pandemic would make some great pitches for a conservative studio making b-movies. Is YBZ making comics as rightwing Netflix pitches?
 
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FROG said:
There's no proof that running your campaign across two platforms isn't just splitting your funding. Even Doug TenNapel realizes this, which is why he offers different perks on each platform. Most CGers don't want to give money to Black Lives Matter activists, so we don't use KickStarter.

"Normal ass people" want to know where to input their credit card info, as you say. One platform, which we promote, makes that question easier. Creating confusion about where you should purchase is a problem. Using both, as TenNapel does, might cause confusion, unless you're offering an Exclusive Leather Bound perk on one campaign launched a few weeks after the other one closes.

Ya Boi Zack is making things his audience isn't asking for, but that he wants to make. His numbers are predictably going down, as he finds the customers that just want whatever it is he makes, rather than the more commercial JAWBREAKERS stuff I personally hear most people clamoring for.

Tim Lim stopped making Trump and bunny shit, and started making more commercial manga boobie books. His numbers will increase, because KAMEN AMERICA is a far easier sell. This is why I suggested CGers stop making gay Trump comics three years ago. Glad he finally caught on.
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Triple post spergout. Another example of "rules for thee not for me" though as I understand it the mods are a little more flexible with cows doing this shit especially when confined to their own thread.

I've said it before and took my neg rates but both you and Richard are massive fags and the funniest thing about CG is when people gay op you nerds. From Melissa Morgue to Renfamous anyone who goes above and beyond the call of duty to punch you in the doo doo puss is doing God's work. I'm waiting on the day someone pulls a drive by on you or Richard's house with an unloaded gun screaming 'April fools' on Hitlers birthday.

Because...

You're 100% right! People in CG hate that Nigger lives matter SJW bullshit. Which is why you and fellow jersey shore sleazebag Nick Barruci of Dynamite comics got the shocker when everyone realized you were shitting on Vox Day while paying for antifa bail bonds and promoting nigger chimpouts.

Ask Nick Barruci what he thinks of BLM. You were too busy hooking up your buddies with quid pro quo Dynamite gigs and screwing over your critics and missed the forest for the trees.

Anyone who associates with you gets doxed. That's not a threat, it's not blackmail it's a promise and people will never get tired of punching you in your fat fucking clown face.

"Don't use kickstarter guys an Asian chink slant eyed sjw works there!"

"Dynamite comics? Nick Barruci? They are baaaaaased fam. Everyone should do business with them in fact here's nicks private number, the blm stuff? Don't worry about it"

Which side of your mouth are you talking out of? Jesus Christ you lie about everything dude.

Again, the bunny and Trump shit had something to do with Brett R Smith being a greedy faggot and claiming copyright. Smith also charges way more to color than normal because of his "connections". I get this info by way of someone in my DM's trying to get me to dox for them. Dunno if it's true but most of it can at least be semi-corroborated by looking at the timeline and people dropping Brett like a bad habit all around the same time.

It was NOT because of anything you said but because of Smith holding books hostage. The claim claims Tim and Mark were never paid for their work. I can't verify that and I don't really care other than to say it wasn't your dumb comments. The only people your words inspire are wackos like Richard Meyer to go after homosexual disbarred and disgraced lawyers like that hulk fan who wanted your dick on Facebook and started "war campaign alpha testing".

You never learned that even a big piece of shit like Alfie Norris would forever dog you. Everyone you've ever fucked continues to screw you back for years. I can't imagine being such a stupid fuck that you keep guys like TUG close and then act surprised when you have to deal with some crazy shit.

One of the primary traits of a lolcow is they never learn from their mistakes. For that and so much more, I salute you. You bring me laughs almost every day just not for telling jokes, but for being one.
 
Analog Devolved said:
You're 100% right! People in CG hate that Nigger lives matter SJW bullshit. Which is why you and fellow jersey shore sleazebag Nick Barruci of Dynamite comics got the shocker when everyone realized you were shitting on Vox Day while paying for antifa bail bonds and promoting nigger chimpouts.
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Wait what? @FROG was paying bail bonds for Antifa? Fucking why?
 
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