#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Unverified]

I saw this the other day after having completely forgotten about Hail Salad. Holy fuck this has to be one of the bigger grifts out there in CG. By my rough estimate, someone would have to pay upwards of $300 if they were attempting to collect all of these stupid standees. All this for a comic based on an increasingly unfunny web show based on a Space Ghost copyright infringement made with audio clips harvested from CG streams. I can't even believe this shit is real. Is Camel Moon paying royalties to everyone for this? I'm sure Witten could use some cash.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

Who the fuck is this Frog guy we're all talking to?

You really haven't been here for a while, huh?
It's ComicArtistPro Secrets aka Ethan Van Sciver.
The creator of Cyberfrog.

 

[WhimsicalTrolli]

. I still don't know why Tim and Nerkish left that book

Because frog tries to make him a target end pretend the SJWs was going after him but it was war campaign in the fall of Rome stream trying to wipe his hands clean yet he was just we involved with interfering with cash grab as war campaign, stop being a faggot sticking up to the frog.

"Yeah, I dunno I don't think we should be making Trump books or anything political that'll be outdated in a few years."

Yet Zack made a covid and BLM book back to back before Pandemic even fulfilled, sit down you whipping boy and stop drinking that frog slime. God the blackmail frog got on you must be embarrassing if you are going to cuck this badly. You're worse than jda with this Excessive dick sucking for a guy who let yellow flash punk your ass live and humiliated like the gimp you are.

The "Pride Is A Sin" incident was the 4th or 5th super-provocative Mike S Miller troll

None of the sjws had a issue until you bitched about it, stop with the revisionist history because he posted that days before with little to no buzz until you brought it up, similar to nerkish. You do this all the time when people are not sucking your farts you bring up their content saying "Da Essjaydubbas going after you, pronounce your love to cg or else I send wc".

Malin isn't here defending Narwhal or Zack.

Who would?

 

[Absurdity]

There's nothing wrong with that. Trump doesn't have to be on everything--he doesn't have to be the focus of our comics, especially when CG started because we were fed up with politics being shoved down our throats.

At the same time though I don't care if somebody makes a Trump book. I bought all of Tim's Trump books and they were funny. But there's nothing wrong with Ethan saying "Let's do something other than parodies."

Well yeah, don't go lecturing your customers.

There's one thing everybody needs to keep in mind: IF IT'S BAD FOR BUSINESS DON'T DO IT.

Miller wasn't lecturing his audience, he was reaching out to it. It just wasn't compatible to the audience SciverFrog was going for and he had to be purged. Frog is all about the gayness.

Incessantly repeating these deliberate lies doesn't make them true or you correct.

Most or many CGers probably voted for Trump. Despite that, making Trump comics seemed short sighted, to me in 2018, for creators who are trying to build an indie comics scene. I was speaking of Chuck Dixon. I felt the creator of Bane should be creating something that might last, rather than trying to get Steve Bannon's attention with goofy Trump worshiping pamphlets. (I didn't give a shit about Tim Lim.) Trump comics have a limited shelf life, and without me promoting them, had a very limited audience. But by all means, make exploitation shit if you want.

Turns out, Tim Lim finally stopped being a hysterical woman, and took my advice. No longer making Trump shit, his numbers are finally growing.

The "Pride Is A Sin" incident was the 4th or 5th super-provocative Mike S Miller troll, and I'd had enough of his bullshit. He's an asshole that can't get out of his own way, and sabotages his own success. I was tired of answering for him where his activities brought my channel negative attention.

All of this shit is now 3, going on 4 years old. Obviously, in retrospect, I was right all along.

Oh please, frog princess. It's rhetorical language but it's not coming from absolutely nowhere. Are we supposed to believe you threw out your flamboyant ring leader suit, your wigs, yor sequins, and never followed up with your S&M searches? But it was just for your audience, you were only anticipating their hearts' desire to see you as a village person!

So you croaked and throatpuffed because Trump isn't a timeless subject... because it didn't have maximum growth potential. Glad to see you're being consistent with the timeless maximized Narzack stale fruitcake. Glad to know that Narzack's artistry has transcended your own principle of having no principles. I think you care very much about Tim Lim because here's a guy with real professional creds and work ethic who didn't nestle under your cloaca. Are we talking comic books or the Great American Novel here? If it's a fun topic, go for it. Who are you to gatekeep anyone from finding their own audience? Because they're not allowed when they're associated with you and you don't want anyone pulling your brand down. If you weren't such a compulsive spin-doctor and closet-case stand-for-nothing it might not have been so acrimonious.

Now I'll admit Miller isn't anywhere near as saavy about his public image or how his message comes across as you generally are. And he has made plenty of mistakes, but for that to be the straw that broke your brokeback is another misdirection. You keep outsourcing your concerns with what "the" (your) audience wants to see rather than having an honest difference of opinion and learning how to give people space and when it's time to hash things out. But you almost always opt to start your crap on social media and pulling these power plays that virtually guarantee there won't be any going back.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

I saw this the other day after having completely forgotten about Hail Salad. Holy fuck this has to be one of the bigger grifts out there in CG. By my rough estimate, someone would have to pay upwards of $300 if they were attempting to collect all of these stupid standees. All this for a comic based on an increasingly unfunny web show based on a Space Ghost copyright infringement made with audio clips harvested from CG streams. I can't even believe this shit is real. Is Camel Moon paying royalties to everyone for this? I'm sure Witten could use some cash.

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What even is that garbage? It looks fucking terrible.

I feel like I'm a Tilt-A-Whirl with how things have plummeted in Comics Gate.

 

[9th legion centurion 002]

Narwhal's bad art and Zack's bad business acumen are fun to talk about, but get a load of this soyboy crying about EVS streaming against the JACK show. Frog should do it more often to trigger the CG-

crazies.

 

[Miniluv]

It looks like some of the 499 backers aren't appreciating the artistic choices made by Narzack:

It's not hard to see why considering the bulk of them backed it when the promo images were somewhat moody and dark like this:

And ended up looking like it was, as EVS himself said, "Made out of Play Doh":

This is getting uglier and I didn't think that was possible.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Because frog tries to make him a target end pretend the SJWs was going after him but it was war campaign in the fall of Rome stream trying to wipe his hands clean yet he was just we involved with interfering with cash grab as war campaign, stop being a faggot sticking up to the frog.

I don't speak Sketch.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Anybody who expected good things to come from this art quality is a retard. This is Deviant Art through the lens of How To Draw Manga. Looking at this is making me feel nostalgic for 2000's internet and this came out twenty years after that. And to think that this is actually a collage of all the best drawings he made, it only gets worse from here. The only characters who don't look ridiculous are the ones furthermost in the foreground.

Linkara would tear this apart limb from limb.

And ended up looking like it was, as EVS himself said, "Made out of Play Doh":

This is getting uglier and I didn't think that was possible.

He didn't even bother cleaning up the outlines or anything, not a single layer of shading. This is the single most awful piece of artwork I've ever seen, and that includes Sonichu.

 

[Newman's Own]

I'd be curious to know which scenes you're referring to or what sort of exposition you wanted. Honest inquiry, as I felt his stories flowed very well and conveyed everything they needed to.

"I disagree. I don’t know about Foriegn Agent cuz I didn’t buy it, but Earthbound got pretty annoying awfully quick with it’s jolting scene transitions and disjointed story telling." - Trunksdragonball

Trunks summed it up well enough.

Is that really the final artwork, and not just work in progress shots? I like Narwhal's art, but what the fuck happened between this.

And this!?

He got even more lazy and complacent.

We don't know yet. Looks like he's trying to do something different for this particular story.

But if you've read his prior books, you know what he's capable of. Looking at each individual drawing and complaining is like having your nose pressed against a Monet painting.

If you are interested, wait for the finished piece of work, read it, and then make a judgment.

Excuses, excuses. What pretentious bullshit.

Looking at each individual drawing is an integral part of the comic reading experience. If one panel in ten looks like dog shit it's jarring and takes the reader out of the intended flow.

If ten out of ten look like dog shit no flow is established because the experience is devoid of compelling reasons to turn the page. This isn't Wizard of Id where the point is the gag on the third panel and the ugly art is unimportant.

I didn't mind Narwhal's style when I bought Earthbound because I was giving an obvious amateur a chance and I thought I'd support the spark of real talent I saw.

Then I read it, and despite there being a spark of something, I realized that the crude nature of the drawings wasn't so much from a lack of skill building as it was laziness and a 'don't give a fuck' attitude that he was 'good enough' that he didn't need to finish a drawing.

I was done after the disjointed mess of Earthbound and his regression progression to 499 shows I made the right choice.

It isn't "artistic" when every panel just looks lazy. Then it's just bad.

I still don't really know why Tim and Nerkish left that book. But either way, I don't think Ethan every said "YOU MUST LEAVE CG FOR MAKING TRUMP BOOKS" I just think he and Tim butted heads a little, so Tim left.

Maybe the word WarCampaign will ring a bell. Did WC come after you when you were excommunicated? Or did Caesar give you a reprieve?

There's nothing wrong with that. Trump doesn't have to be on everything--he doesn't have to be the focus of our comics, especially when CG started because we were fed up with politics being shoved down our throats.

At the same time though I don't care if somebody makes a Trump book. I bought all of Tim's Trump books and they were funny. But there's nothing wrong with Ethan saying "Let's do something other than parodies."

Trump wasn't on everything in CG. He was in Tim Lim's comics and Ethan said Trump comics weren't CG and then PRETENDED he didn't know they were Tim's.

Passive aggressive attacks are still attacks.

Well yeah, don't go lecturing your customers.

There's one thing everybody needs to keep in mind: IF IT'S BAD FOR BUSINESS DON'T DO IT.

Was it good for Mike's business for Ethan to dig up a days old tweet no one gave a shit about and blow it up publicly to scold him and to seriously hurt his bottom line? Was he helping Mike?

You're an idiot Nasser.

(I didn't give a shit about Tim Lim.)

IIRC Tim Lim called bullshit on one of your passive aggressive shit takes in one of your streams and backed it up embarrassing you in front of your friends.

After that he was booted out of the tree house and "Political comics aren't ComicsGate" became a ComicsGate mantra.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

If ten out of ten look like dog shit no flow is established because the experience is devoid of compelling reasons to turn the page. This isn't Wizard of Id where the point is the gag on the third panel and the ugly art is unimportant.

Wizard of Id at least shows a bare minimum standard of competency and consistency, where the outlines aren't a complete mess of jumbled scribbles and bodily proportions don't change dramatically all the time, there's an obvious strict intention maintained consistently through every panel. The art style is primitive, but it features the hallmarks of someone who can at least cover their bases & keep them covered, fork fingers and all.

I didn't mind Narwhal's style when I bought Earthbound because I was giving an obvious amateur a chance and I thought I'd support the spark of real talent I saw.

Did you just say that the Sheezy Artist worked on fucking Earthbound? We're not talking about the video game are we?

You really haven't been here for a while, huh?

I come in from time to time when I'm bored. Not on any of those occasions did I see Comics Gate do a total Chernobyl. I came in expecting the odd SJW tweet only to find I just stepped into Bizarro world.

It's ComicArtistPro Secrets aka Ethan Van Sciver.
The creator of Cyberfrog.

So the Cyberfrog guy is here, that's cool. He's an actual good artist, so why is he here to defend literal toilet paper? How was it even found out that this was him?

 

[Unverified]

Did you just say that the Sheezy Artist worked on fucking Earthbound? We're not talking about the video game are we?

No, the name of Narwhal's first book was Earthbound. He's far too young to have worked on the SNES game.

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

No, the name of Narwhal's first book was Earthbound. He's far too young to have worked on the SNES game.

Oh I see.

Can I just say that I never liked Ya Boy Zach's no shits given Youtube video format of just screen recording a tablet or recording a comic on his lap with his fucking phone? It kind of speaks to his work ethic in general in my opinion.

 

[Rupin]

It looks like some of the 499 backers aren't appreciating the artistic choices made by Narzack:

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It's not hard to see why considering the bulk of them backed it when the promo images were somewhat moody and dark like this:

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And ended up looking like it was, as EVS himself said, "Made out of Play Doh":

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This is getting uglier and I didn't think that was possible.

It's their fault for ordering the book in the first place. I mean the cover shows you exactly what you are going to get in terms of art.

 

[Yuusha-sama]

How was it even found out that this was him?

He was pretty open about it in the beginning.
We had a ton of "CG" creator join the farms.
Preston Poulter, Liam Gray, Wenger, Donal Delay
(quick self promo, he got doxed by me and was outed as a cuck and Bernie bro, read and enjoy)
EVS as mentioned before.

So the Cyberfrog guy is here, that's cool. He's an actual good artist, so why is he here to defend literal toilet paper?

I honestly have no idea, Zack is his friend so I can understand it, but in my opinion EVS has no need to defend him here, it's not his book and not his problem.
Even if EVS doesn't like the art, he wouldn't say it publicly.

If your friend does something you don't like you normally don't peg on him
in front of his and your co-workers or on a stage, in this case the internet.
So I won't give Ethan that much criticism for defending the art.
And Ethan told us often enough how much Zack listen to advice...(He mostly doesn't)

In my opinion Zack should defend it himself and explain to us why this garbage is better than Nu-Marvel comics.
Zack used to be quite spicy on twitter, I would love to see him fighting on this hill.
Would be quite enjoyable.
But he likely won't, he became like a hermit, and isn't much fun anymore.

 

[Miniluv]

It's their fault for ordering the book in the first place. I mean the cover shows you exactly what you are going to get in terms of art.

I don't think it's the artwork itself they're complaining about. One of the backers even said they bought Foreign Agent, so they knew what they were getting into with Narwhal's style and they liked it enough to back 499.

What they're put off by is what they perceive to be a massive shift in tone from what they thought they were backing to what they're being shown with the updated IGG page. Look at the promo image they had up there before the revamp. Look at the cover, even. Say what you will about Narwhal's art, it certainly does seem dark, moody, and atmospheric. The campaign page describes 499 as "Cold War-Era PARANOIA Meets 1980s SLASHER Flick". The original image certainly seems like it could fit something grim and violent like that.

It's not hard to understand why some backers would be a little concerned about the way the book looks considering they paid for it when they thought they were getting something with a completely different tone.

Zack used to be quite spicy on twitter, I would love to see him fighting on this hill.
Would be quite enjoyable.
But he likely won't, he became like an hermit, and isn't much fun anymore.

Why would Zack want to engage in fighting anything anymore when he can just coast on the rep he had when was actually in the fight? God forbid his name gets out there and brings him and his projects more attention.

 

[jspit2.0]

Is that really the final artwork, and not just work in progress shots? I like Narwhal's art, but what the fuck happened between this.
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And this!?
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The top one looks so much better!

Incessantly repeating these deliberate lies doesn't make them true or you correct.

Most or many CGers probably voted for Trump. Despite that, making Trump comics seemed short sighted, to me in 2018, for creators who are trying to build an indie comics scene. I was speaking of Chuck Dixon. I felt the creator of Bane should be creating something that might last, rather than trying to get Steve Bannon's attention with goofy Trump worshiping pamphlets. (I didn't give a shit about Tim Lim.) Trump comics have a limited shelf life, and without me promoting them, had a very limited audience. But by all means, make exploitation shit if you want.

Turns out, Tim Lim finally stopped being a hysterical woman, and took my advice. No longer making Trump shit, his numbers are finally growing.

The "Pride Is A Sin" incident was the 4th or 5th super-provocative Mike S Miller troll, and I'd had enough of his bullshit. He's an asshole that can't get out of his own way, and sabotages his own success. I was tired of answering for him where his activities brought my channel negative attention.

All of this shit is now 3, going on 4 years old. Obviously, in retrospect, I was right all along.


"No, I insist that this is bad, and that it meets Jon Malin's criticisms of bad artsy comics bullshit."

Gotcha, Mister Dongs. Malin isn't here defending Narwhal or Zack.

Lim's a cunt, you're a cunt.... moving on from 2018?

Simple Zach "I wanna make real art!"

What I see

 

[Pilule Noire]

To be brutally honest, Zack really didn't do much for any culture war, apart from getting bent over and bummed horrifically on national TV by a C-list Australian comedian on Comedy Central in 2018. That shocking public buggery is the most significant cultural war event he was involved in, as far as I can tell.

And his useless movie opinions certainly haven't helped either - unlike Frog he liked The Last Jedi, meaning he never gained any clout with the Fandom Menace side of the culture war, which exploded in the wake of that film and became a whole mini-grifter-moocher-complainer industry on Youtube, as woketardery raged across the popcultural landscape, burning up one franchise after another.

If Zack is just 'passing through' all this, I wonder where he even intends to end up? Does he have something in mind, a vision or plan?

Or is his path destined to be more of a chaotic, shaky squiggle, a Narwhal drawing line, swishing here and there, bending in on itself retardedly and ultimately just looking very stupid and weird?

Sigh, what are we going to do with Our Boy Zack. He's not into videogames, he's got shit opinions on movies, he doesn't even play with toys amusingly like Frog, who became famous for smashing his toys on Youtube and is more famous for that now than for any drawings he ever did.

Let's just hope Chuck Dixon can save our Zack, that's his only hope now - Dixon, Nolan and Stallone can save this kid, pull him out of this. I hope!

 

[Captain Manning]

Turns out, Tim Lim finally stopped being a hysterical woman, and took my advice. No longer making Trump shit, his numbers are finally growing.

All of this shit is now 3, going on 4 years old. Obviously, in retrospect, I was right all along.

The sheer amount of hubris in these statements is mind blowing.

"Yeah, I gatekept Tim, even though nothing he did was violative of the basic bitch principle of CG (being anti-SJW). However, since BH and KA are selling so well, I'm gonna take credit for that because he totally had no talent or future before I "corrected" him and sent him on his way."

I can honestly see why people don't like you @FROG.

You fucked up by gatekeeping Tim. The man has obvious talent. KA is a runaway anti-SJW success that doesn't have the Comicsgate branding. It's a pity that you didn't just let him do what he wanted, because then he'd be a bright spot in @Mister Dongs otherwise depressing spreadsheet.

Conversely, you are fucking up by giving unconditional support to Zach. 499 looks like dogshit, and you know it.

I don't mind people making mistakes, but you should at least have the decency to own up to them. This constant doubling down is not a good look.

 

[Yosha]

i'd had no problem with 499.....if it cost $1.