#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[OwO What's This?]

mission failed boys we'll get 'im next time

 

[Adamska]

I'm not trying to whitewash anything. I'm responding to the tards trying to retcon what happened to Ethan.



Except you don't have to take Ethan's word for it.

You can just examine the public record of him being swarmed, even by comic pros, specifically because of his politics.

But I guess we'll never know, or something.

Pretty defensive for just trying to set a record. Sounds like whitewashing to me. Especially with the sudden vitriol. Actually, this reminds me of the other tribalists that'd often brigade on here to self affirm tbh.

Sorry if I don't have sympathy for a man too retarded to leave a shitty toilet thought posting site and who makes his market on drama and does the very stuff that brings "hardship" to him.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Pretty defensive for just trying to set a record. Sounds like whitewashing to me. Especially with the sudden vitriol. Actually, this reminds me of the other tribalists that'd often brigade on here to self affirm tbh.

Sorry if I don't have sympathy for a man too exceptional to leave a shitty toilet thought posting site and who makes his market on drama and does the very stuff that brings "hardship" to him.

Literally none of this addresses what I was talking about.

You guys throw out these ridiculous pet theories, like Ethan laudering LDS money through indiegogo or he was just a victim of his own shitty personality, and when I shoot them down because they are fucking beyond stupid, you just say "Well fuck Ethan".

Fine, fuck Ethan. But for people that are always ranting about Ethan's lies, you sure spin up some serious lies and bullshit of your own.

 

[Newman's Own]

This is an embarrasing attempt at a burn.

Imagine for just one moment that Ethan was the duplicitous cunt he turned out to be in ComicsGate long before when he worked for DC. Imagine that he had a history gay ops or other hinky shit like his FaceBook days.

Now imagine you had to be editor for that cunt AND you watch him bloviate about Trump winning the election.

You might be tempted to say "Mr Lee, can we not renew this cunt's contract. He's expensive and he's poison at the office."

Skip to Ethan out of a job and suddenly the "black list" he said was bullshit is real now but his is only name on it.

Did they shitcan Ethan for his politics? Sure maybe that had something to do with it.

Did they shitcan Ethan because he was a prima donna other talent were refusing to work with? Seems plausible given his ego.

Was it because he's a cunt and his editors or whoever were done with it? Almost certainly.

Ethan's not a martyr. He's an obnoxious prick with a charismatic personality that wears thin once you have to really deal with him.

At least, that's what I've heard.

 

[CapeKnight]

Except you don't have to take Ethan's word for it.

You can just examine the public record of him being swarmed, even by comic pros, specifically because of his politics.

But I guess we'll never know, or something.

Public records are just one part of the observation. Taking them alone proves nothing, except for confirmation bias to prove that "SEE IT'S ALL ABOUT POLITICS! IT'S LEFT VS RIGHT! CULTURE WAR! FIGHT! PAY ME MONEY! GRIFT!"

The other parts of the observations would include his work ethics. Behind the scenes at the office, people observing his interactions with fans, his interpersonal relationships with people around him. Those aren't public records, and can never be, because it boils down to "he said, she said". He does produce works late, even when he was working for mainstream, this much we can observe.

You conveniently disregard the personality and political leaning correlation I proposed, and just focused on the political aspect part. I could care less about politics personally, and the less I care, the more I can tell that it's not just a political thing that happened to Ethan, but layers of things because I'm not trying to look at this through a political lens alone.

 

[Adamska]

Literally none of this addresses what I was talking about.

You guys throw out these ridiculous pet theories, like Ethan laudering LDS money through indiegogo, and when I shoot them down because they are fucking beyond stupid, you just say "Well fuck Ethan".

Fine, fuck Ethan. But for people that are always ranting about Ethan's lies, you sure spin up some serious lies and bullshit of your own.

Nice generalizing. It didn't work the last time this was used on me but go on right ahead. You'd know that I didn't really back that idea of Ethan scamming on anything but the ribbitcoins if you wanted to be honest. Your quick shift to anger and tendency to fucking doublepost kind of makes the mask slip.

I can smell the tribalism from here.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Imagine for just one moment that Ethan was the duplicitous cunt he turned out to be in ComicsGate long before when he worked for DC. Imagine that he had a history gay ops or other hinky shit like his FaceBook days.

Now imagine you had to be editor for that cunt AND you watch him bloviate about Hillary winning the election.

You might be tempted to say "Mr Lee, can we not renew this cunt's contract. He's expensive and he's poison at the office."

Skip to Ethan out of a job and suddenly the "black list" he said was bullshit is real but his is only name on it.

Did they shitcan Ethan for his politics? Sure maybe that had something to do with it.

Did they shitcan Ethan because he was a prima donna other talent were refusing to work with? Seems plausible given his ego.

Was it because he's a cunt and his editors or whoever were done with it? Almost certainly.

Ethan's not a martyr. He's an obnoxious prick with a charismatic personality that wears thin once you have to really deal with him.

At least, that's what I've heard.

Imagine you had any evidence for anything you just posited

Imagine that you could have watched in real time as Ethan was publically targeted and there wasn't a history of a million other people getting shitcanned for wrongthink

Imagine you advanced a theory that Ethan was scamming indiegogo because you couldn't figure out how indegogo worked

Imagine you had a brain capable of evaluating the evidence rather than spin fact free horseshit

 

[Adamska]

Imagine not getting mad for a 40+ year old man who's too immature to leave a site that clearly kills time and makes you worse off for it. It's why I respect the hell out of Zack, even if I will beat on him for Pandemic: he knew that these weak crybullies can be beaten by ignoring them.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Public records are just one part of the observation. Taking them alone proves nothing, except for confirmation bias to prove that "SEE IT'S ALL ABOUT POLITICS! IT'S LEFT VS RIGHT! CULTURE WAR! FIGHT! PAY ME MONEY! GRIFT!"

The other parts of the observations would include his work ethics. Behind the scenes at the office, people observing his interactions with fans, his interpersonal relationships with people around him. Those aren't public records, and can never be, because it boils down to "he said, she said". He does produce works late, even when he was working for mainstream, this much we can observe.

You conveniently disregard the personality and political leaning correlation I proposed, and just focused on the political aspect part. I could care less about politics personally, and the less I care, the more I can tell that it's not just a political thing that happened to Ethan, but layers of things because I'm not trying to look at this through a political lens alone.

You've already shown that you have no ability to interpret events in a straightforward way based on your indiegogo conspiracy theories.

The fact that you took that defeat and didn't take it as a signal to re-evaluate the way you approach interpretations of these events, and instead double down and ludicrously claim that I am engaging in confirmation bias, is pretty fucking laughable, don't you think?

Ethan has proven multiple times over the last year or so that he's a duplicitous cunt.

That would seem to be all the evidence necessary to posit a theory that the people who said that was why his contract wasn't renewed might not be lying.

You are the one asserting "muh facts" I'm simply looking at the whole picture and stating an opinion. The truth is that no one has proof as to why Ethan was shit canned and anyone pretending they do is pretending to read minds.

Why don't you make use of Occam's Razor for once instead of giving an opinion that completely brushes aside every event that transpired.

 

[Newman's Own]

Imagine you had any evidence for anything you just posited

Imagine that you could have watched in real time as Ethan was publically targeted and there wasn't a history of a million other people getting shitcanned for wrongthink

Imagine you advanced a theory that Ethan was scamming indiegogo because you couldn't figure out how indegogo worked

Imagine you had a brain capable of evaluating the evidence rather than spin fact free horseshit

Ethan has proven multiple times over the last year or so that he's a duplicitous cunt.

That would seem to be all the evidence necessary to posit a theory that the people who said that was why his contract wasn't renewed might not be lying.

You are the one asserting "muh facts" I'm simply looking at the whole picture and stating an opinion. The truth is that no one has proof as to why Ethan was shit canned and anyone pretending they do is pretending to read minds.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

Imagine not getting mad for a 40+ year old man who's too immature to leave a site that clearly kills time and makes you worse off for it. It's why I respect the hell out of Zack, even if I will eat on him for Pandemic: he knew that these weak crybullies can be beaten by ignoring them.

I agree with that.

But it's too late now. He doesn't understand that he's undermining himself because he looks at his bank account and still sees success. He won't figure out what's going wrong until things start to dry up.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Just because Frog must respond to every comment, post or video that mentions him anywhere doesn't mean that there wasn't an oligopoly of politically minded gatekeepers in the mainstream that led coordinated campaigns to smear and "deplatform" him and every other conservative or moderate comic creator with everything under the sun and tried to destroy him with every means at their disposal while coopting venerated comic publishers to pump out low-quality unabashed leftist agitprop.

As "Comicsgate" has progressed, Frog is now a much more prominent figure than the low-grade indie comic scum the movement originally centered around, and is thus subject to much more scrutiny and illwill. But getting loose with history just to score some point on Frog is a bad idea.

 

[Newman's Own]

Why don't you make use of Occam's Razor for once instead of giving an opinion that completely brushes aside every event that transpired.

Occam's Razor indicates that a person is far more likely to get fired for being a cunt than than by a vast left wing conspiracy.

Carry on.

 

[Adamska]

Occam's Razor indicates that a person is far more likely to get fired for being a cunt than than by a vast left wing conspiracy.

In this case I find it more likely he got fired for a mix of politics and laziness as Waid still works at Marvel. Ethan's known to be a slow and lazy artist, which is what probably did the most damage. Politics also really didn't help.

 

[CapeKnight]

You've already shown that you have no ability to interpret events in a straightforward way based on your indiegogo conspiracy theories.

The fact that you took that defeat and didn't take it as a signal to re-evaluate the way you approach interpretations of these events, and instead double down and ludicrously claim that I am engaging in confirmation bias, is pretty fucking laughable, don't you think?

I think what's laughable is how you think you're applying logic, at the same time, acting like everyone who's calling you out on your bullshit bias must be completely wrong.

No one has proven anything on the laundering schemes. So no, the theory wasn't even defeated.

Just because Frog must respond to every comment, post or video that mentions him anywhere doesn't mean that there wasn't an oligopoly of politically minded gatekeepers in the mainstream that led coordinated campaigns to smear and "deplatform"him every other conservative or moderate comic creator with everything under the sun and tried to destroy him with every means at their disposal while coopting venerated comic publishers to pump out low-quality unabashed leftist agitprop.

I've never really denied that there's the radical leftists who seek to scorch the earth with their social constructionist ideas, I've been done dirty by them myself at one point. I think most of us who are in this thread were here because we were sick of the mainstream, how they operate, found CG, and ended finding out that they really aren't that much better, especially in the case of EVSCG.

The point isn't really that Ethan was persecuted because of his politics alone anymore, as we go through the years, we find out more and more about who this man is with how he behaves, you'd actually be convinced of some of the shit Gail Simone says about him (I'm not a big fan of hers either, trust me. That woman is loonybin batshit crazy considering her random tangent meltdown over the Shits of Prey movie). If SJWs are hypocrites because of how their organized tactics works (which already makes them scum that I probably won't associate with), then Ethan is much worse because he pretends to fight against that in a culture war, but is just as equally bad, if not worse. It's like asking to choose between Hitler and Stalin. I'd kill myself before that.

 

[Absurdity]

He took a break after his "Go kill yourself" tweet mini-scandal of May 2017, then came back to start his YouTube Channel in October 2017.

Looking back at some of the early videos it's amazing. If we look back at the fallout after his Mark Waid interview, we can pick up on some all-to-familiar patterns in EVS' social media interactions.

(Chat Question) "So, is Mark Waid just talking s*** about you now?"

"Mark is very upset about the chat from what I understand because there was an impersonator in the chat. There was somebody who named a YouTube account after him and was saying goofy things and Mark found this troubling and embarrassing and also, you know I don't speak for Mark Waid, but he sent me a ton, I'm not kidding guys, a ton of messages privately that were- some of them were scary!

I think Mark is under the impression that all of this was gonna to be some kind of embarrassing trap like I meant to embarrass him in some way. I can only assure people- the only person that is going to be embarrassed deliberately or accidentally on my channel is me. I don't mean to ever embarrass anyone who's gracious enough to spend two hours of being questioned by me on my channel.

I hearby promise and you guys, there are 115 of you in here, I mean with you guys as my witness, despite pressure to do otherwise:

I will never deliberately embarrass, or corner, or be rude to any professional who comes on my channel, ever. And not only that, I will endeavor to do my very, very best to make them appear to be at their very best. I will do everything I can to pump them up, and to make them look great, and to tell you what's great about them, and to let them tell you what's great about themselves, and let them tell their own stories. I will also do my very best to protect them from fans on my page who are being rude."

A few days earlier, he said this:

"Thank you, fake Mark Waid for deleting your account and just come back as your normal name, we'll never know it was you. Please stay a part of the community but don't do that ever again, please."

Not a fan of Mark at all, but why do I feel like everything is a setup from start to finish? Same MO over and over again.

 

[Absurdity]

Interestingly, Comic Book Hut came out with this video a few days ago.

I'm not sure if I would be up for placing most of the blame on a consulting firm, but it doesn't look great. The Breitweisers started their Allegiance Arts and Entertainment company with the CEO of Allegiance Consulting.

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/mitch-elizabeth-breitweiser-new-comic-publisher-dc-walmart/

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[cow-wannabe]

Has anyone brought up the Wenger trying to cancel Sashi issue yet?

 

[Mister Dongs]

The point isn't really that Ethan was persecuted because of his politics alone anymore, as we go through the years, we find out more and more about who this man is with how he behaves, you'd actually be convinced of some of the shit Gail Simone says about him (I'm not a big fan of hers either, trust me. That woman is loonybin batshit crazy considering her random tangent meltdown over the Shits of Prey movie). If SJWs are hypocrites because of how their organized tactics works (which already makes them scum that I probably won't associate with), then Ethan is much worse because he pretends to fight against that in a culture war, but is just as equally bad, if not worse.

Is Frog a slow artist who once told someone to kill themselves? Yes. But there are slower people in the industry who publicly antagonize fans far worse who got a free pass because they are friends with the right people and have the right politics. Much like what she writes, what Gail Simone says can be put in the trash without further consideration.

The point Vikki is trying to make is to insinuate that Frog was fired for reasons unrelated to the totally legitimate foundations behind "OG" Comicsgate, but smuggled himself so he could subvert the pure and good Comicsgate that was into a personality cult. This is what I mean when I analogized "Anti-CG" as Trotskyites. It is also absolutely delusional. Now we have people here in effect arguing things like Tim Doyle hiring private investigators to look into Frog's shit was because his art was slow or something.

 

[Newman's Own]

Has anyone brought up the Wenger trying to cancel Sashi issue yet?

Is it an issue?

I'm pretty sure less than 3 people on the planet would think taking advice from Wenger is a good idea.

Just another wannabe cancel culture loser. Welcome to ComicsGate.

EDIT:

Is Frog a slow artist who once told someone to kill themselves? Yes. But there are slower people in the industry who publicly antagonize fans far worse who got a free pass because they are friends with the right people and have the right politics. Much like what she writes, what Gail Simone says can be put in the trash without further consideration.

The point Vikki is trying to make is to insinuate that Frog was fired for reasons unrelated to the totally legitimate foundations behind "OG" Comicsgate, but smuggled himself so he could subvert the pure and good Comicsgate that was into a personality cult. This is what I mean when I analogized "Anti-CG" as Trotskyites. It is also absolutely delusional. Now we have people here arguing things like Tim Doyle hiring private investigators to look into Frog's shit was because his art was slow or something.

I don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist to look at Ethan's behavior and obvious narcissistic personality disorder and think "Maybe those people who said Ethan was fired for being expensive, slow and hard to work with weren't lying."

Was there a political component to Ethan's exit from DC?

Sure, that could be.

Was it the largest or only factor?

Seems unlikely.