#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Adamska said:
I can tell you this right now; if you had them more often, I'd have kept my patience throughout most likely.
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I caught them on Twitter and Youtube: Thats why I am only annoyed ((also annoyed that its still not here yet.))

So delivering campaigns in reverse order is kinda frustrating and irritating so dont do that again @FROG

Second I figured you and Mitch due to the high artistry you and Mitch were showing were going to be on the later end. Mitch has better circumstances to justify being Tardy then you did. So plan better next time.

Looking at the "Paper damage" on some more youtube reviews....it doesnt seem to be a universal issue. Still might be something for you to do some quality control stuff with your printers for future campaigns.
 
FROG said:
even boring or frustrating ones.
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That’s definitely worth considering. For example Andrew Huerta threw out his back and posted it in an IGG update (complete with pictures of himself being hauled off in an ambulance). If the book’s late, at least everyone who backed it has an email saying why. The IGG updates are the only ones guaranteed to reach people who already paid for the book (unless they close that email address but that’s not the campaign owner’s fault).
 
Ya Boi gave his room temperature IQ take on criticisms of Cyberfrog.

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Here we have perfectly encapsulated the hypocrisy of Comicsgate.

Ya Boi:

1) Complains incessantly about the printing quality of Marvel comics. Cyberfrog is printed with obvious and noticeable flaws, but he dismisses them as "barely noticeable."

2) Argues for years that professional criticism is not a personal attack. However, when it comes to Cyberfrog, he argues that all criticisms of its quality are not criticisms made by fans disappointed by the substandard quality of the printing, but are in fact personal attacks levied at EVS.



Pathetic.
 
@FROG I assume that once you are done shipping to all the Cyberfrog backers, you will finish the cover of Jawbreakers: GØD-K1NG?
 
@FROG So two things. One of them not comics gate related.

1) I think it was nicks stream you called the movie scary stories to tell in the dark "sjw" I finally got around to seeing it, and I assume your referring to the character of the latino draft dodger, and tension caused by him associating with a white girl during the vietnam war.

I noticed it and figured it kinda fits and I shouldnt be surprised since the producer is Guillermo del Toro a mexican film maker. It doesnt really detract from the story. I think most SJW rot in media is stuff like mary sue or as zack would say in comics you d have gay minorities that happen to be perfect. It just seemed like you were eager to trash the movie.

2) I will start by saying that you ve handled yourself well with the criticism here, and will agree with the above poster that your "critics" seem to enjoy knee capping themselves.

you ve mentioned before that you enjoy streaming and wish to work at your own pace and not burn out or such. So I assume since you ve got the money in the bank from cyber frog and your other endeavors will you just finish your next book first before selling it. and how viable is it for you to just use Antarctic press or an alternative to IGG? or is IGG your best bet?
 
FROG said:
I delivered on the book, it's better than anything I've ever done
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You delivered it almost a year late, after spending most of your time spurging out about nonsense on Twitter and YouTube.
You even admitted (just what I suspected all along and posted about on here a month or two ago) that this past year you really weren't into comics all that much and didn't like drawing as much as you liked making generic anti-SJW YouTube videos.

And it's not the best thing you've ever done. I don't even need to read it to know that. You've drawn comics written by Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison. Those are automatically better comics because they actually had great stories.

Frankly, I'm hearing nothing but praise
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It's not "nothing but praise". If you're hearing "nothing but praise" then you aren't listening.
You said you listened to that Star Wars Girl's review. That definitely wasn't "nothing but praise".

and demands for the next issue, which isn't anything I've heard from a ComicsGate project thus far.
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Really? No other CG project has had frequent "demands for the next issue"? Pretty sure Jon Malin, Richard Meyer and Mike S. Miller (if YOU allow Mike to even be retrospectively considered "CG" anymore since he stopped kissing your ring) heard many calls for sequels to Graveyard Shift, Jawbreakers, and Lonestar.

But, no no, Uncle E, YOU take credit for being the FIRST ComicsGate project with a lot of praise from certain fans who want a sequel. It's all you--no one has ever done it before! You're the first indie creator to EVER do that! And you invented variant covers, just like Puff Daddy invented the remix! You're the BEST, Uncle E! No one has EVER done crowdfunded comics before you! Even though Doug TenNapel had multiple $100k crowdfunded projects in 2012-2013, it was really YOU who taught him how to do crowdfunding! Take a bow! Cyberfrog is an icon of independent publishing!

What do you think your best moment of the past year has been?
-Assuring your viewers that the Republicans would hold he Senate in November 2018? (Don't worry! Don't campaign! We got this!)
-Claiming a few days before its release that Captain Marvel would only make $40m its first week and that therefore woke movies were done?
-Or managing to alienate 90% of your internet friends? So weird how they all just seemed to get "dark" and leave you randomly for no reason, through no fault of your own. Strange.

It's a big success!
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@FROG So two things. One of them not comics gate related.

1) I think it was nicks stream you called the movie scary stories to tell in the dark "sjw"
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Wow, really? I thought the linking narrative was a little clunky and maybe a little preachy, and a Netflix anthology series probably would have worked better, but in the end, the movie still remembered that it was a movie about monsters rather than the author's pet cause and that entertaining the audience was a priority instead of something to be tacked on afterwards/meant for audiences whose only requirement for entertainment is people like them are featured even if they don't do anything.
 
northstar747 said:
@FROG So two things. One of them not comics gate related.

you ve mentioned before that you enjoy streaming and wish to work at your own pace and not burn out or such. So I assume since you ve got the money in the bank from cyber frog and your other endeavors will you just finish your next book first before selling it. and how viable is it for you to just use Antarctic press or an alternative to IGG? or is IGG your best bet?
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Hey thanks, northstar! No, I'm getting started on CYBERFROG: REKT PLANET immediately, in between fulfillment of BLOODHONEY.

Antarctic Press or any other publisher is just working through the Direct Market. That's putting CYBERFROG in a catalog and leaving it up to comic shops all around the world to find it, know that their customers want it, promote it to customers, etc. So it isn't an issue of having enough money to go through a publisher...Crowdfunding and zero pipeline fulfillment is just a much, much better option for someone like me, who likes to self-promote.

Having said that, eventually I'll distribute thru the Direct Market and put Cyberfrog in stores. I'd want to have three books ready to go, though. So it'll be awhile.

elkinbub said:
You delivered it almost a year late, after spending most of your time spurging out about nonsense on Twitter and YouTube.
You even admitted (just what I suspected all along and posted about on here a month or two ago) that this past year you really weren't into comics all that much and didn't like drawing as much as you liked making generic anti-SJW YouTube videos.

And it's not the best thing you've ever done. I don't even need to read it to know that. You've drawn comics written by Geoff Johns and Grant Morrison. Those are automatically better comics because they actually had great stories.


It's not "nothing but praise". If you're hearing "nothing but praise" then you aren't listening.
You said you listened to that Star Wars Girl's review. That definitely wasn't "nothing but praise".


Really? No other CG project has had frequent "demands for the next issue"? Pretty sure Jon Malin, Richard Meyer and Mike S. Miller (if YOU allow Mike to even be retrospectively considered "CG" anymore since he stopped kissing your ring) heard many calls for sequels to Graveyard Shift, Jawbreakers, and Lonestar.

But, no no, Uncle E, YOU take credit for being the FIRST ComicsGate project with a lot of praise from certain fans who want a sequel. It's all you--no one has ever done it before! You're the first indie creator to EVER do that! And you invented variant covers, just like Puff Daddy invented the remix! You're the BEST, Uncle E! No one has EVER done crowdfunded comics before you! Even though Doug TenNapel had multiple $100k crowdfunded projects in 2012-2013, it was really YOU who taught him how to do crowdfunding! Take a bow! Cyberfrog is an icon of independent publishing!

What do you think your best moment of the past year has been?
-Assuring your viewers that the Republicans would hold he Senate in November 2018? (Don't worry! Don't campaign! We got this!)
-Claiming a few days before its release that Captain Marvel would only make $40m its first week and that therefore woke movies were done?
-Or managing to alienate 90% of your internet friends? So weird how they all just seemed to get "dark" and leave you randomly for no reason, through no fault of your own. Strange.


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The best moment of this past year has been making $1.2 million, doing all of the things you're shitting yourself on Kiwi Farms about.
 
FROG said:
Hey thanks, northstar! No, I'm getting started on CYBERFROG: REKT PLANET immediately, in between fulfillment of BLOODHONEY.

Antarctic Press or any other publisher is just working through the Direct Market. That's putting CYBERFROG in a catalog and leaving it up to comic shops all around the world to find it, know that their customers want it, promote it to customers, etc. So it isn't an issue of having enough money to go through a publisher...Crowdfunding and zero pipeline fulfillment is just a much, much better option for someone like me, who likes to self-promote.

Having said that, eventually I'll distribute thru the Direct Market and put Cyberfrog in stores. I'd want to have three books ready to go, though. So it'll be awhile.
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What are your thoughts on selling through Amazon or some other online store? IGG is great for preorders and measuring demand but I'm sure there is an audience out there who would like to just buy the comics and have it shipped to them without the wait time or potential risk of crowdfunding. I actually assume that would be most people.
 
AriZona_LaD said:
What are your thoughts on selling through Amazon or some other online store? IGG is great for preorders and measuring demand but I'm sure there is an audience out there who would like to just buy the comics and have it shipped to them without the wait time or potential risk of crowdfunding. I actually assume that would be most people.
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I think that'd save on printing costs - as Amazon print on demand, there's no need to stockpile or whatever. Plus, they do "author copies", so he could order some directly if he wanted to sign and/or include trading cards etc
 
Man, this makes me really glad I never backed Cyberfrog. If Ethan is reacting to criticism just like a Marvel SJW writer would then maybe he's not worth backing.
 
AriZona_LaD said:
What are your thoughts on selling through Amazon or some other online store? IGG is great for preorders and measuring demand but I'm sure there is an audience out there who would like to just buy the comics and have it shipped to them without the wait time or potential risk of crowdfunding. I actually assume that would be most people.
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Yeah, this is a great point, and one that Zack and I discuss a lot.

This first round of crowdfunding and the wait time was necessary. We were all broke, and couldn't afford to take the time necessary to draw and write our books much less print them. Most of us have, or will have, a little nest egg put aside now from what's left over after expenses so that we won't HAVE to make people pay upfront and wait too long.

We'll almost certainly still use IndieGoGo however, because our customers are used to it, and there's something fun about the number being public. People like to know that the campaign is successful, they like to see their contribution reflected in the total. It's more entertaining than just throwing your money into the ether of Amazon or a website.

Zack is a writer, so he's already got 3 or 4 irons stoking at all times. He's able to write his story and hand it off to different artists. I can't, I have to draw and write everything I produce. He's also of the opinion now that we should do shorter books and offer them quicker, for a lower price. This means Fulfillment twice as often, though, which will knock him on his ass. That's a huge chunk of time and energy.

For me, I'm halfway convinced of where Zack is going. I know people want CYBERFROG 2 pretty soon, so I've decided to do that before REIGNBOW THE BRUTE, (which is a merchandising challenge that's going to take much more time anyhow) I'm going to make my books 48 pages, ask $20 for them, and not "solicit" them on IndieGoGo until the majority of the book is complete.

In the meantime, I can offer customers the CYBERFROG Complete 90's hardcover, which requires no new art from me, and various merchandise campaigns, (statues, trading cards, collectible coins etc) to keep them excited about Frog and Salamander until we're ready to launch the sequel.

That's kinda where we're at right now as things evolve. We'll see where we go from here.
 
FROG said:
We'll almost certainly still use IndieGoGo however, because our customers are used to it, and there's something fun about the number being public. People like to know that the campaign is successful, they like to see their contribution reflected in the total. It's more entertaining than just throwing your money into the ether of Amazon or a website.
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Well that's all fun and good but the funding for the book is done now. All the video games that fund go to Steam or something when they're done. Make an Amazon exclusive cover to preserve the value of the campaign books and throw it out there.
 
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