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So what the fuck has he been in, some kind of coma for the last three years? Seems to have been super lazy for a supposedly hard-nosed business-oriented Jew, frankly, to let things go to absolute shit and only step in when the place is literally burning to the ground, then take charge in a dumb counterproductive way.

Maybe he's senile and should retire.
Hasn't somebody floated the theory that he's trying to get fired? IIRC the thought was that he has stock/interests/whatever from the sale to Disney and gets an enormous golden parachute if they get rid of him.
 
Hasn't somebody floated the theory that he's trying to get fired? IIRC the thought was that he has stock/interests/whatever from the sale to Disney and gets an enormous golden parachute if they get rid of him.

So in this case, he was running for 3 years on the theory that if he let Marvel go completely batshit, lose money hand over fist, and basically crater themselves, he would get fired. It didn't work, so now he's trying the opposite tack: being a decent businessman and seeing if that will get him fired in this clown world we all live in now.

Sure, I'd buy it.
 
Not the first time, Jim Shooter had to tardrangle Marvel from failure in the 80s too.

Hope Ike's up to the task if true.
Jim Shooter was Editor in Chief, knew what made good stories and made sure that all the books came out on time. I don't know if Ike is up to the task because the person he should be talking to is CB Cebulski.
 
To cross-post from the A&H subforum,
Micah Curtis (Channel Awesome alumni and author of the comic book, Englewood) made his rebuttal to that Mary Sue article in written form at Bleeding Fool:
 
So in this case, he was running for 3 years on the theory that if he let Marvel go completely batshit, lose money hand over fist, and basically crater themselves, he would get fired. It didn't work, so now he's trying the opposite tack: being a decent businessman and seeing if that will get him fired in this clown world we all live in now.

Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You could also read the situation as a typical corporate power play. Imagine you're Ike Permutter and a person like Sana Amanat comes into the company. She has tons of political connections and wields tons of influence with the higher ups to the point where she can threaten your position. What do you do to shut her down? Well, you sit back and give Sana enough rope to hang herself.
 
I'm not entirely sure if business is really down compared to 3 years ago. Even if it is, Ike likely waited for some time to see if this is just a temporary drop or an actual problem. Probably saw a trend that he didn't like and decided to step in.
 
I'm not entirely sure if business is really down compared to 3 years ago. Even if it is, Ike likely waited for some time to see if this is just a temporary drop or an actual problem. Probably saw a trend that he didn't like and decided to step in.

The problem is not declining sales, but a lack of a sales bump resulting from all the free promotion the movies are giving Marvel. Avengers books should be flying off the shelves. Black Panther books should be flying off the shelves. Captain Marvel books should be flying off the shelves. But they're not. Their sales figures are all flat or declining. Why? Why can you get 75 million Americans to watch Black Panther in theaters, but you can't get more than 20k to buy his comic?

Somebody dropped the ball. Somebody fucked up.

It took Marvel three months to respond to Black Panther's theatrical success. The BP books that were out when the movie released were all ponderous shit about gentrification or trash books that looked like they were drawn by eight year olds. When the books were rebooted in May (BP came out in February), instead of using the familiar setting of Wakanda that film audiences were familiar with, they put Black Panther in space and had him fighting black aliens. So not only did Marvel miss capturing an audience that was hyped over Black Panther and eager to read more about him, when they finally managed to catch up to the movie's success, they didn't utilize the movie's setting at all and instead made something completely alien and weird. This is incompetence of the highest order.
 
Jim Shooter was Editor in Chief, knew what made good stories and made sure that all the books came out on time. I don't know if Ike is up to the task because the person he should be talking to is CB Cebulski.

Also IKE is behind such gems as

"The Inhumans" Series

NOW if he is doing what Boom and Dynamite are doing and counter-programing for the Comicsgate crowd that could be interesting
 
Brian Wood's just gotten #meetooed. (Again). You can play bingo with this shit and the stories that are presented. Vulnerable woman. Naive. Looking up to her senior peer. Gets asked out. Doesn't realise. Gets moved on (badly, TBH). He harasses her and she instead of going to the police, shuts up until years later vomits on twitter.

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I'm not disagreeing that Woods isn't a cheating prick, but the woman has a peotic soul to her, TBH.

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Jesus. At the rate all these women are starting to crawl out the woodwork claiming they got harassed/raped years later (instead of fucking going to the authorities right after it happened), it's not safe from men to be around women without a bodycam on at all times.

Not that it would help, because woman tears > evidence
 
Jesus. At the rate all these women are starting to crawl out the woodwork claiming they got harassed/raped years later (instead of fucking going to the authorities right after it happened), it's not safe from men to be around women without a bodycam on at all times.

Not that it would help, becaus
TBH he's tried to cheat on his pregnant wife, but dude could at least have some taste to not do it with Tess Fowler, who has skin so thin she's offended when a man even looks at her. Though her recollection of the events reads more like poorly written Harlequin with narcissistic protagonist who thinks so highly of herself that men are falling at her feet.

Centre square in the bingo card should be 'Zoe Quinn is mentioned/butts in'. Aaaaand Bingo! She's there.
 
Centre square in the bingo card should be 'Zoe Quinn is mentioned/butts in'. Aaaaand Bingo! She's there.

That's why it's called MeToo - because anytime something happens to a woman, Chelsea is there to say, "MeToo!".

That bitch is so eager to get back all the clout she wasted these past 5 years, that I'm surprised that she didn't try to ride the hype from Quentin Tarantino's new movie and claim that Charles Manson tried to have her murdered like Sharon Tate.
 
Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You could also read the situation as a typical corporate power play. Imagine you're Ike Permutter and a person like Sana Amanat comes into the company. She has tons of political connections and wields tons of influence with the higher ups to the point where she can threaten your position. What do you do to shut her down? Well, you sit back and give Sana enough rope to hang herself.

I seriously doubt an old school Disney shlomo like Perlmutter is afraid of shit from some Paki cunt with absolutely no sway outside of comic books.

Even deliberately losing money with the comic books to write it off for taxes against something else profitable in their empire makes more sense than that.

Jesus. At the rate all these women are starting to crawl out the woodwork claiming they got harassed/raped years later (instead of fucking going to the authorities right after it happened), it's not safe from men to be around women without a bodycam on at all times.

Not that it would help, because woman tears > evidence

It must be pretty shitty for the women who have worked their asses off to get where they are who now can't do any networking because men stay away from them like they're radioactive poisonous snakes. All because of a bunch of fucking whores bitter that their attempts to get somewhere just by sucking dick failed.
 
Brian Wood's just gotten #meetooed. (Again). You can play bingo with this shit and the stories that are presented. Vulnerable woman. Naive. Looking up to her senior peer. Gets asked out. Doesn't realise. Gets moved on (badly, TBH). He harasses her and she instead of going to the police, shuts up until years later vomits on twitter.

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I'm not disagreeing that Woods isn't a cheating prick, but the woman has a peotic soul to her, TBH.

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Lmfao, why is it the absolute worst women also happen to be abuse victims (allegedly).

Laura Hudson is a cunt.
 
Yeah, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You could also read the situation as a typical corporate power play. Imagine you're Ike Permutter and a person like Sana Amanat comes into the company. She has tons of political connections and wields tons of influence with the higher ups to the point where she can threaten your position. What do you do to shut her down? Well, you sit back and give Sana enough rope to hang herself.

Your missing the other pieces of the puzzle, Kevin Feige. He has been loosing more and more control of parts of Marvel Entertainment to Feige.

It is well known that Ike Permutter and Kevin Feige don't get along. Years of behind the scenes fighting has gone on between them, resulting in the Marvel Entertainment not supporting Marvel Studios, with no comics coming out with MCU specific titles that use the MCU version of characters, the timeline and events that could tell stories between the films. It is all a massive missed opportunity for Marvel Entertainment to capitalize on years of popularity of the MCU and you can directly point to the friction between those two as the reason. After years of back and forth between Feige and Pertmutter, Feige finally won his freedom during the development of Captain America: Civil War and Perlmutter's power base has been in decline ever since.

After Marvel Studios split from Marvel Entertainement and became a part of Walt Disney Studios, Marvel Entertainment continued to be in charge of everything except for the MCU (comics, TV, streaming, licensing, etc.). This is why the Marvel TV shows went from being talked about as an integrated part of the MCU originally, to being essentailly ignored by the MCU and the reason that in Inhumans went from being on the MCU film slate to a TV show. Inhumans was Perlmutters baby and since he wasn't Feige's boss anymore he took it off the MCU film slate and they turned it into a TV show to try and recoup development costs. With Disney moving into streaming, they decided to move the production of the streaming shows to Marvel Studios to insure that they were closely linked to the upcoming films in the hopes of making them "must watch" for fans of the MCU, instead of something that was tangentially connected and that could be skipped, so now Perlmutter has very little under his direct control.

Disney bought Marvel for the intellectual property rights, with the hopes that it would be an IP farm, retaining existing properties, creating new properties and making money, not an IP bank which just retains and maintains the rights of the existing properties. He can't make any sweeping changes in regards to licensing and merchandise to increasing the financials, which leaves the comics and publishing side for him to tinker with in a attempt to make Marvel Entertainment profitable and not a money sink. If he can't get publishing out of the red and into the black fairly quickly there is the likelihood that he will be out the door. There is also the minute possibility that Marvel Entertainment may announce they are close the doors on comics production for a while to reorganize, during that time frame they could license out IP to other publishers (like the IDW deal) and just produce collections, anthologies and folios of the existing work and merchandise deals. But if this happens I doubt they will come back at anywhere near the same size, if they do at all.
 
The Perlmutter explanation is too simplistic. Where the fuck has he been for the last 4-5 years? It's tough to rationalize why he would all of a sudden care about anti-Trump content now. I don't think he's "trying to get fired" either. Who knows what's going on in his head, but he's always wanted power and control on a corporate level. I don't think he wants to get fired, if that would even be possible. He doesn't want "was fired" on his resume or in his biography.

Maybe he's trying to justify getting other people fired? If they keep rebelling against normal demands to not call the president "Hitler" all the time.

But that would presuppose that the recent "terrible chilling anti-free speech" measures are even his decision. I think maybe the decision is coming from higher up than Ike, or is coming from some trustee or corporate board in general.

Or these handful of decisions could just be isolated coincidences. Normal editors wouldn't want contemporary acrimonious political stuff in anniversary issues or in history books for the general public. It could just be a coincidence. Every now and then even Marvel editors do act like normal professionals.

It's just hard for me to imagine that IF Ike cared about this kind of stuff, then why would he let his house be totally infested by radical activist leftists in the first place? It's just hard for me to imagine that at age 70 or whatever he was a clueless innocent baby who thought Sana Amanat was just a "nice sweet person", that Tom Brevoort was a rational person, that Ta-Nahesi Coates was benign, etc. But now all of a sudden at age 76 he suddenly wakes up and wants to clamp down on leftist content in Marvel publications, after hiring all those shitbags.

I just don't fucking get it at all, but "blame Ike" is too easy. Just the fact that SJW minions are blaming him makes me think that there's something bigger at play and the leftists are using Ike as a scapegoat because the alternative would be to realize that perhaps a wider corporate environment is just turning against them finally, at least for now, on the surface? I could be totally wrong.

It took Marvel three months to respond to Black Panther's theatrical success. The BP books that were out when the movie released were all ponderous shit about gentrification or trash books that looked like they were drawn by eight year olds. When the books were rebooted in May (BP came out in February), instead of using the familiar setting of Wakanda that film audiences were familiar with, they put Black Panther in space and had him fighting black aliens.

Eh, Coates' first Black Panther series had already been out by then and, like it or not (I don't like it), the initial collections sold very, very, very well (by Marvel standards) through book channel markets.

I don't know what it is with Marvel, and there is definitely room for improvement, but somehow it seems like no matter what they do there are precious few crossovers from moviegoers to comic readers.

Guardians of the Galaxy completely cratered in sales during the years when the GOTG movies were flying high. The characters were more prominent than ever, but the comics sold worse than they did under Abnett and Lanning a decade ago.

Then again, GOTG had a reboot a year before the movie came out, just like Black Panther had a new #1 a year before the movie. And those new reboot #1s sold like 200,000-350,000 copies. Of course it was all hype and padded numbers, but Marvel COULD get those kinds of orders (if not exactly "sales") a year PRIOR to hit movies. But once the movies actually come out, once the properties are established as mainstream pop culture juggernauts? No one wants the comics. Some of that has to do with the fairly lackluster content of the contemporary comics, but not everything is down to that.

You say Coates' second Black Panter series was better than his first? Okay, but the second series starts in space ffs. Hard to see how "Black Panther in space" is better synergy... And for what it's worth the Bendis GOTG comics at least had pretty great art for the most part. They cratered in sales, and the Duggan run was better in terms of writing but sold even worse. It's like there's just no way for the comics to win at this point. The whole system is broken.
 
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The Perlmutter explanation is too simplistic. Where the fuck has he been for the last 4-5 years?

This is why I find it hard to believe Perlmutter just suddenly found his balls and/or just now realized things in comicsland are going badly. The explanation that he is literally out of the loop and has been bypassed makes more sense, or that he's somehow back in power by some behind the scenes machinations with his own enemies.

Ultimately we're like Kremlinologists trying to make up scenarios to explain vague out of context shit that publicly happens in terms of internal politics we don't really know.
 
I still haven't forgotten Perlmutter's shitty stance regarding the film franchises that are not under the MCU umbrella.
The "Well, if we don't have direct control over the IP, we'll just take our ball and go home" stance.
The stance that tells the rest of Marvel, from the comics to video game development, to exclude certain characters like the X-Men and the Fantastic Four from being featured in those other venues.
It's why I said it's "cutting off the nose to spite the face."
All it does is ruin good faith with long-time consumers and pisses off the fans (like what happened in Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite).
 
I still haven't forgotten Perlmutter's shitty stance regarding the film franchises that are not under the MCU umbrella.
The "Well, if we don't have direct control over the IP, we'll just take our ball and go home" stance.
The stance that tells the rest of Marvel, from the comics to video game development, to exclude certain characters like the X-Men and the Fantastic Four from being featured in those other venues.
It's why I said it's "cutting off the nose to spite the face."
All it does is ruin good faith with long-time consumers and pisses off the fans (like what happened in Marvel vs. Capcom: Infinite).
Okay, but from a business standpoint, the comics aren’t really what’s making money. The video games do way better, but the real money maker is the movies. The reason the comics are being put out at this point isn’t to make money. It’s to farm new IPs and characters that can potentially be put in movies while protecting copyrights for existing characters.

While Fox owned X-Men and F4, every new Mutant character Marvel Comics creates goes right into Fox’s pile. Every Wolverine t-shirt sold just reminds a fan of the Hugh Jackman movies. Every dollar Disney throws at those franchises means Fox is getting some of the pie too. And if there’s one thing businessman will absolutely not stand for, it’s somebody else getting some of their pie.

As a consumer, yeah it sucks dicks. But from a business standpoint I absolutely understand the decision. Sucks I can’t play as Doom in MvC:I, yeah, but I can’t bring myself to get all that pissed about a player playing the game.
 
While Fox owned X-Men and F4, every new Mutant character Marvel Comics creates goes right into Fox’s pile. Every Wolverine t-shirt sold just reminds a fan of the Hugh Jackman movies. Every dollar Disney throws at those franchises means Fox is getting some of the pie too. And if there’s one thing businessman will absolutely not stand for, it’s somebody else getting some of their pie.

Right. Which was why X-Men Origins: Wolverine was the last time there was any merchandise related to the X-Men films (save for the films themselves on DVD, Blu-Ray, and Digital platforms).
 
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