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"There is absolutely nothing wrong with the living conditions of my country or the glorious benevolence of our Supreme Leader. May his guidance protect us from the outside capitalist pig wastelands for a thousand years"-Neal Adams, brave citizen of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

Fucked up how they can get an 80 year old guy who demands (and gets) money for even an autograph, never mind a sketch, to bend the knee. I wonder what kind of pressure was applied?

So looks like Antonio's Youtube channel was mass flagged. Almost all the videos are gone, but if you click their links, they are still there, just Unlisted. Does Youtube do that, or is something fishy afoot?
I'm listening to his live stream now to see exactly what he says.

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EDIT: He says the Razorfist one is the only one left. That one just happens to be the one I clicked to check. I checked others, and they are gone.
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RIP SexyParty.

LMAO, anti-comicsgate silencing a black man. Sucks for him, but the irony is palpable.
 
Fucked up how they can get an 80 year old guy who demands (and gets) money for even an autograph, never mind a sketch, to bend the knee. I wonder what kind of pressure was applied?

Its always the same, isn't it? All the true believers blew up his phone the second he made that tweet telling him that it wasn't true, that they were nazis, that they were blacklisted for other reasons, that its all lies, that they're hurting marginalized people and, gosh darn it, don't you want to be a good person, Neal?
 
Im pretty sure its the only way to get it, and people bitch alot after the indigogo is done. you can aslo not realy lose money with the book, He is a top tier artist, its something special and well the printrun is pretty small. thats a 300$ book in 10 years.

Is all of this about creating collectors items or about creating quality content under some kind of schedule?
 
I will never not be surprised at how much CG spergs will just throw money at shit. WHERE'S MY FROG BOOK, PIE MAN?:

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even though I stopped collecting comics in the mid 90s but still collect certain action figures and watch comic book movies
I really love these Comicgates streams
these guys are real geeks, entertaining and funny
these streams are such a treat
 
Thought this was a pretty good article about the state of the comic biz. AFAIK no CG sperg has done a twenty minute video editorializing about SJWs while reading the text, either. Guess they don't find their way to Publisher's Weekly often? If I'm wrong and this has been posted, I'll take my late ratings. Article is from 02/15/2019.

Comics Is a Market in Transition


Comics Is a Market in Transition
Comics retailers are struggling to adapt to changes among consumers and publishers

Although comics and graphic novel sales didn’t drop off as sharply in 2018 as they did in 2017, according to pop culture trade news site ICv2, the past year presented challenges to comics retailers. Some say that they’re in the midst of a transitional period—a sea change in the way comics are sold and distributed—and that, though general bookstores with robust graphic novel sections are faring well, traditional comic book shops must be increasingly vigilant to stay in the black.

PW’s comics retailer survey is an informal and anecdotal report on sales during the past holiday season as well as an examination of likely business trends in the comics marketplace in the coming year. This year we touched base with four comic book stores that rely on the direct market for at least 20%–60% of their stock: Earth 2 in Sherman Oaks, Calif.; Forbidden Planet in New York City; Phantom of the Attic Comics in Pittsburgh; and Secret Headquarters in Los Angeles. There are about 2,000 direct market comics shops in the U.S. that buy mostly nonreturnable product at wholesale prices from Diamond Comics Distributors, the largest North American comics distributor. These stores sell a mix of traditional periodical comic books (generally, superhero comics), as well as prose books and graphic novels.

The survey also included three general trade bookstores that maintain large graphic novel sections: Powell’s City of Books in Portland, Ore.; the Strand Book Store in N.Y.C.; and University Bookstore in Seattle.

Comics retailers head into 2019 as uncertain about the market as they were at the start of 2018. The sharp sales decline of 2017 that precipitated many heartbreaking comics store closings still stings. Combined sales of comics and graphic novels in comics shops in 2018 declined about 1% from 2017, according to ICv2. And a relatively flat start in January, on top of a political climate that continues to create economic uncertainty, are all contributing to a wait-and-see attitude among the retailers contacted by PW.

Two of the general bookstores reported an uptick in sales last year: Powell’s and the Strand. But Doug Chase, graphic novel buyer at Powell’s, captured the overall mood of the bookstores: “We had a very good 2018 and one of our best holiday seasons ever, but we are approaching 2019 with a bit of caution.” Traditional comics shops reported little or negative sales growth in January when compared to January 2018 and were also wary about projecting better sales in the coming year.

Bestselling graphic novel lists for bookstores and comics shops were dominated by volumes one, eight, and nine of Saga, Brian K. Vaughn and Fiona Staples’s bestselling Image graphic novel series. The lists also featured the Adventure Zone: Here There Be Gerblins, an RPG podcast turned wildly popular graphic novel series; Monstress, Vol. 1; volumes one and four of Paper Girls, and Ta-Nehisi Coates’s Black Panther collections.

The industry continued to shift in 2018 due to increased consolidation (the Disney/Marvel powerhouse and the recent AT&T acquisition of Warner Bros., DC’s parent company) and the need to retain traditional comics readers while attracting a new generation of readers with different tastes and buying patterns.

Looking for Holiday Standouts

Dave Pifer, co-owner, Secret Headquarters: The 2018 holiday season was not good. It just started so late—a week and a half or two weeks before Christmas. It used to start the day after Thanksgiving. That’s just what it’s like now. That’s just the new paradigm.

Jeff Ayers, general manager, Forbidden Planet: The holidays were a lifesaver because my November and October were the pits. It brought us back up to where we needed to be. There wasn’t a standout book this year until the end of the year, mostly because we had two sales people who pushed the book. This year it was On a Sunbeam by Tillie Walden. That’s the thing: having good staff who are passionate about what they’re selling and are not just pushing it on everybody but are getting a feel for what customers seem to like.

Julie Sharron, staff, Secret Headquarters: [Nick Drnaso's] Sabrina from Drawn & Quarterly was definitely one of the holiday standouts. There weren’t very many this year. We made a big point of ordering our favorite stuff for the holidays because it’s easier to hand to people and say, “Here’s the best stuff!”

Wayne Wise, staff, Phantom of the Attic: The holiday season was pretty typical for us. No one title stands out this year, though First Second’s Adventure Zone graphic novel continued to sell briskly at this time. Hand-selling is still our most effective sales tactic. If I’m genuinely excited about a title, and if I am attuned to my customers, I can raise sales significantly.

The Direct Market

Pifer: 2018 sales were worse than 2017 for sure. We ran through some of the numbers and saw that a chunk of where we were down was Marvel and DC specifically, by a not insignificant amount.

Wise: Sales have been down in all categories in the last few years. Single issues have been going down consistently for years, but for the most part sales of trade paperbacks and graphic novels have compensated. But those sales have also slowed of late. We simply don’t have the foot traffic we once did. If you’re only reading trade paperbacks, you don’t need to come in every week to see what came out.

Carr D’Angelo, co-owner, Earth 2: Comics shop inventory used to be set up with “Batman,” “Spider-Man,” and “Other,” but now “Other” is becoming such an important part of the market that you can’t just treat it like an add-on, whether it includes Image books like Saga and Paper Girls, or YA and young reader books like Raina Taglemeier’s books, Dog Man, or Super Hero Girls.

Ayers: Our sales are up on comics, and regular graphic novel market and manga sales were way up this year again. But what we had to do to get there was even more difficult than ever. The cost of comics is way up. I mean, I’m selling more volumes, but a lot of that is my bottom line being padded out by speculation [from those looking to buy certain debut periodical comics for the collectibles market]. There’s a big speculation craze this year. I don’t like to do this, but now I’m having to increase my orders for number one issues to fulfill the demand from speculators. I don’t think it promotes longevity.

Wise: We’re not fans of the variant cover games we have to play. Many of our customers want the variant covers and we just can’t meet the order requirements. Given some of the percentages they require, I don’t know how any store does. [Some publishers offer stores multiple covers by star artists for a given issue if they order a certain number of copies.] The idea that we can sell these variants for extra money drives retailers to order them I suppose, but how many extra copies of the book did you have to order to get them? In most cases the math doesn’t work for us.

Duane Wilkins, graphic novel buyer, University Bookstore: The individual comics issues cost too much. Now the $2.99 issues are almost all gone, phased out for $3.99, and that’s too expensive to expect most customers to collect them regularly or to buy more than a small quantity at a time.

Wise: Expendable income is tighter than it used to be and comic book prices keep going up: $3.99, and more and more often $4.99, is a hefty price for 20 pages worth of material that can be read in 10 or 15 minutes. But having everything in one place [by ordering via Diamond Comics Distributors] is good for us. We can scan the catalogue and see what is new every month from every publisher, and easily check availability on back stock. The downside is the monopoly-like stranglehold Diamond has on the major publishers. We can get trade paperbacks and graphic novels from Ingram or other distributors, but half our sales are still the monthly comics, which we have to buy from Diamond.

Chase: Our relationship with Diamond Comics Distributors has gone through 180 degrees of positive change in the last two years. Since it opened its new warehouse, its quality control and ease of ordering has been more than acceptable. We went from ordering most of the books it distributes from Ingram to the normal mix of wholesaler and distributor.

D’Angelo: We have moved out of the cash-in-a-cigar-box era to where now most retailers have amazing point-of-sale systems, yet direct market publishers are subverting these new tools. Marvel and DC and even IDW are releasing more weekly series that totally throw off the ordering cycle and require us to commit to nearly the whole series before we have seen sales on the first issue.

Ayers: Recently, for the second time in a row, I’ve had extra staff for nothing: out of an order for 54 total boxes I received 20. Less than half my Diamond shipment is here and 90% of my comics and graphic novels aren’t here.

D’Angelo: There’s a lot of uncertainty right now and that creates tension between the publishers and the direct market retailers. Retailers want timely and accurate information to make solid business decisions. Publishers want to maintain their sales numbers in the direct market while they pursue other markets, like putting comics in big box stores or doing exclusive editions of collected editions with online discount sellers. But the information we get tends to be the same hype the consumers get, with every event being earth-shattering and every story arc changing this or that character forever.

Pifer: There’s zero transparency about shipping costs between our store and Diamond. It’s a major problem. We have no real idea how the costs are broken down—why we’re charged what we’re being charged. You either pay it or you don’t get your books.

Wise: We’re ordering pretty close to the bone these days because we really don’t want much of our weekly shipment to become back issues. Trade book collections tend to sell over time, but the lifespan of a of a periodical back issue, not counting the random hot issue, is less than six months for us. After that it’s dead stock.

D’Angelo: The dirty secret is that the publishers succeed when they sell us product we don’t sell. Nobody wants to know sell-through numbers in this business. But publisher use of multiple covers, weekly series, rebooting and renumbering series, and hype instead of actual content info creates an environment where we can’t use our historical sales data accurately.

The Uncertain Future

Wise: In the early 1980s, I think it is safe to say, the advent of the direct market saved the comics industry as we knew it. It was perhaps the single most important change in how the business was done since the introduction of the Comics Code Authority in the late 1950s. I really think that right now the industry is in the middle of a similar, seismic change in the way business is done, but I don’t know exactly what that is. The advent of the direct market was one very specific change that had wide ramifications. It’s not as easy to pinpoint one, or even a dozen, specific factors going into the current changes—so much is happening.

Ayers: Every year it feels like there’s a transitional point. I think retaining the periodical comics customer has been more of a challenge than ever. The periodical customers we have are paramount. I would love to attract new readers, but last year was a hard year for that.

Pifer: It seems like a significant number of comic book shops around the U.S. rely on monthly periodicals in such a way that if their sales continue to tank, it’s probably going to tank a lot of retailers.

D’Angelo: The good news and bad news of the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe and the DC TV shows is that more people love superheroes than ever before. But that doesn’t mean more people love superhero comics. They get their hero fix from the movies and shows and don’t need the comics. More people saw the Aquaman movie than read Aquaman comic books in 70 years. However, the comics are necessary to provide the fundamental mythology, so we are not seeing the death of comics or comics shops, which so many people predict. But we have to see our place in the food chain, and retailers need to expand their appeal and not be reliant on the weekly periodicals.

Bright Spots

Ayers: Some publishers do things right. Boom! Studios has really been knocking it out of the park with its various retailer incentive programs and getting good creators.

Barry Coe, children’s comics book buyer, the Strand: There was strong growth in children’s trade comics and also manga last year compared to 2017 sales numbers.

Chase: Manga continues to be a huge seller for us. Our inventory turns look great. We took steps last year to increase the visibility and size of graphic novel sections in general, and this has helped our sales grow over previous years.

Sharron: There are smaller publishers right now that really give a shit about comics and try new things—like Silver Sprocket; their stuff does really well here. Catboy has destroyed for us—oh my god! Now they do Jen Woodall books, so they’re easy to get. A ton of their stuff did really well here.

Pifer: We’re happy with all kinds of stuff we sell in the store—especially the stuff we publish. That’s what I tell anyone in comics retailing: make your own stuff. I think the all-ages category has the best price for the amount and quality of the comics offered. Dave Pilkey’s Dog Man is a great example. Brawl of the Wild is one of the biggest selling books on the planet.

Sharron: All-ages books are how you get your future customers. Dog Man, dude! Raina Telegmeier! The all-ages stuff is huge. All-ages periodicals are always the ones that sell out. Those are the ones that have the longest shelf life, because kids don’t care if it’s issue #47 or #48 of Lumberjanes—they’re going to get it because the cover’s cool. I feel like they’re not like the variant-y, collector-y kind of direct market comics collectors. They’re just people who want to read cool-looking books.

Chase: I do think the comic shops that are most interesting in Portland have either adapted to welcome a more diverse and family clientele, or they opened specifically with a mission to welcome such diversity. Comics publishing is changing. In the vanguard of change for kids is the graphic novel format and manga, bypassing the periodical format. Small retailers need to find and attract an energetic customer base of all ages, a diverse base. Offer fresh material. Make room for books. Be a place where your neighborhood and community like to spend time and money.

D’Angelo: I opened our first store in 2003, and it was the beginning of the book collection trend [for direct market shops]. At that time, there were only three books you had to have: Dark Knight, Watchmen, and Maus. That was the graphic novel section. Now 15–16 years later, there is a huge treasure trove of perennial and classic graphic novels that are more than enough to stock a shop. We still have weekly periodicals to sell, but the health of the industry is about those backlist books that we can sell over and over: Fun Home, Long Halloween, Persepolis, and Adrian Tomine’s work, like Shortcomings, and such works as Bone, and Amulet. When you go into a bookstore, it’s a storehouse of classic literature. You know they are going to have Romeo and Juliet and you don’t have to worry about the clerk wondering if they can get it from their distributor. Graphic novels have that foundation now, and comics retailers can offer a store full of proven sellers that satisfy customers.

Shannon O’Leary regularly writes about comics and graphic novel retailing for Publishers Weekly.
 
I was glad I managed to jump in on the second campaign. It's getting a little silly with this third campaign.
I get wanting his book to look great and shit, but at this point him making yet another campaign without getting the first one done and over is starting to annoy me.

At this point he better throw in a little extra for the backers of the first campaign otherwise it was just not worth backing the first project.
 
I get wanting his book to look great and shit, but at this point him making yet another campaign without getting the first one done and over is starting to annoy me.

At this point he better throw in a little extra for the backers of the first campaign otherwise it was just not worth backing the first project.
It has the best cover.
 
Ahoy Comics sill be picking up Vertigo’s cancelled Second Coming comic. It was pretty obvious tbh.

Given what he's said the plot is (basically communist level "defile/mock/debase/delegitimize Jesus" level blasphemy), Russell should have just burnt the artwork and scripts and taken it's cancellation as a sign from God that the project should never of been produced to begin with. When it does come out, it's probably going to kill his career and create such a backlash, that people praising the Flintstones will retroactively start slagging it and denying they ever liked it to begin with.

(For those who haven't read Russell's interviews: the plot has that ever since his crucifixion, Jesus has been rotting in a prison cell in the deepest darkest corner of Heaven with God disowning his son and his very existence because he was a "pussy who let himself be crucified". Jesus ends up having to escape Earth and runs into a violent Superman clone, who God promptly takes up into Heaven to make him his new adopted son and heir because "Not-Superman gets shit done". Jesus then spends the miniseries trying to correct the record of what Fundamentalist Christians (the only Christians featured in the book) claim Jesus taught, only to get crapped on by his followers (because all Christians are Fundamentalist conservative Christians in Russell and his ilk's eyes).
 
(Video edited out, deserved it's own post.)

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And that's pretty much it. He's raised 3/4 of a million dollars already on 1 book (with 3 covers), I think he can/should sweeten it for the 1st project's backers.
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Part of the reason I said he should "throw in a little extra" is mostly because of the perks, there is barely anything exclusive to the 1st project:
$90,000 STRETCH GOAL- CHROMIUM COVER! UNLOCKED All backers will receive their purchased copies of CYBERFROG:BLOODHONEY #1 with a beautiful shiny chromium enhanced cover!

$130,000 STRETCH GOAL UNLOCKED- COLOR INTERIORS FOR CYBERFROG 1998 ASHCAN! All backers at the $50 level and above will receive colorized Cyberfrog ASHCANS by KYLE RITTER instead of black and white!

$150,000 STRETCH GOAL UNLOCKED - TWO TRADING CARDS! Each backer at any level will receive a CYBERFROG and a SALAMANDROID trading card, complete with stats and information on the back!

$200,000 STRETCH GOAL UNLOCKED- COLORIZED RE-RELEASE OF THE SUPER RARE 1998 CYBERFROG AMPHIBIONIX #1 ASHCAN FOR ALL $50+ BACKERS!

$250,000 STRETCH GOAL UNLOCKED - COLORIST KYLE RITTER RECEIVES A $10,000 THANK YOU BONUS FROM THE FANS!

$275,000 STRETCH GOAL UNLOCKED- CYBERFROG AND SALAMANDROID BOOKMARK FOR ALL BACKERS, ONE ADDED PER EACH COPY COMIC BOOK PURCHASED!

Let's count up the perks for the 1st Project:
  1. Chronium Cover
  2. Colored 1998 CyberFrog Ashcan
  3. 2 Trading Cards
  4. Another Ashcan (Amphibionix #1)
  5. Bookmark
2nd Project:
  1. Salamandroid Cover
  2. Colored 1998 CyberFrog Ashcan
  3. 2 Trading Cards
  4. Another Ashcan (Amphibionix #1)
3rd Project:
  1. "Team Up" Cover
  2. Colored 1998 CyberFrog Ashcan
  3. 2 Trading Cards
  4. Another Ashcan (Amphibionix #1)
NOTE: $50 perk was used for this list.

The backers of the 1st project get a shiny cover and a bookmark:
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I would have been fine if more stuff from the original project was 1st EXCLUSIVE, but nope. See how it's somewhat lacking, when the only exclusive stuff to the 1st Project is just a bookmark?

The other reason is for not getting the book out on time. I'm a patient guy, I can wait for the book but I have to call out how EVS is starting to fall into the same hole Pace, Kwanzer and others have. I'm sure he'll get the book out before year's end but it's a pretty bad impression if the book is overdue for a couple months. Hey, its crowdfunding, so it's bound to happen that projects run late and stuff but EVS has said numerous times how "We [Comicsgate Creators] have to be better".

What can he do to sweeten the 1st project a bit more? Idk, that's for him to figure it out.

Also,
Finish the book, stop making more dumb IGGs for the same book without completing the 1st one. Fucking Kwanzer at least managed to ship out some of his books from the Original BLACK KickStarter before starting another KS ffs.
 
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See, I'm happy that Zack knows how to run a business. I got my comic about heroes fighting an African Warlord and the giant ape he's exploiting, enjoyed it, and have it on hand for the now and again I feel like reading something light. I do not have that from Ethan and it's been about four months now, extending further due to this added promise/money grubbing stint.

EVS needs to remember his brand book wise relies on getting it out, since as it stands I would probably not pay for another one of his works no matter how good the art is, due to his shittastic delivery promises while I'd happily buy another Zack book (even with him drawing it now) due to his regular updates and attempts to meet goals.

Be Gallant EVS, not Goofus.
 

This is a fascinating tweet.
https://twitter.com/PublishersWkly/status/1105891490201550854 http://archive.fo/1fV2p
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The reaction is the obvious catty, snarky, condescending replies about how it's impossible to do and that no one has been able to do that.
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Oh and GIFs, lots of GIFs:
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But the brainlets of the industry keep trying to deny it's possible despite their "competition's" success. Casing point:
Mike Miller:
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Richard C. Meyer:
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Tim Lim (not sure if he still conciders himself part of CG):
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Mitch Breittweiser:
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Jon del Arroz:
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Donal Delay:
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Andrew Huerta:
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Jon Malin:
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Ethan Van Sciver:
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Doug Tenapel:
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And these aren’t ALL of them.
 
TBF the article itself was kind of dumb. Even RCM conceded that when he actually got around to looking at it.

But it sure seems these people live on Twitter 24/7, to the exclusion of all else. And as dumb and basic as the article was...they don't seem to be doing much that it suggests.
Most of the replies that I saw mocked the idea that comics can be profitable, my point was they’re full of shit. Article or no article.
 
See, I'm happy that Zack knows how to run a business. I got my comic about heroes fighting an African Warlord and the giant ape he's exploiting, enjoyed it, and have it on hand for the now and again I feel like reading something light. I do not have that from Ethan and it's been about four months now, extending further due to this added promise/money grubbing stint.

EVS needs to remember his brand book wise relies on getting it out, since as it stands I would probably not pay for another one of his works no matter how good the art is, due to his shittastic delivery promises while I'd happily buy another Zack book (even with him drawing it now) due to his regular updates and attempts to meet goals.

Be Gallant EVS, not Goofus.

Zack also does not spend anywhere near as much time on youtube as Van Sciver does. Zack may put out a 10 minute video or so once a day on average. And its usually just him musing about some shit. Can't have very long production value or time investment beyond those 10 minutes he's reading a comic or ranting about something. EVS will do hours long livestreams, on top of his scripted shit. Every day. He should probably set aside more time towards actually putting out his product.
 
I had the time to listen to the EVS/Zack livestream earlier today. There were a couple of things worth noting for me.

- EVS doesn’t like talking about comics, which is pretty much the main reason I don’t listen to his content. I really have no interest in him sperging endlessly about Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson (and now Brie Larson). The horses are so dead he’s beaten their bones into dust.

- Holy fuck did Ethan get salty when Zack started talking about RedLetterMedia making fun of YouTube commentators. That’s the kind of behavior I’d expect from MovieBob.
 
I'm reading this page of posts with pros talking about why shit's not moving and it's like they're addressing everything but the actual content of their books. Are people that afraid of the mob that they won't admit this most salient fact?
I mean, look at the way people jumped on that publishing article.

he reaction is the obvious catty, snarky, condescending replies about how it's impossible to do and that no one has been able to do that.
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If someone looking in from the outside can see the potential and mechanics that easily, then the issue is engagement.
Are these people true & honest believers, are they toeing the party line or do they ignore people like EVS & Zack because they've been unpersonned and might as well not exist?
 
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