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I guess black people don’t live on Earth either.Here's a little sample of GL/GA:
Gee, maybe it has to do with the fact he has a whole sector to patrol? Check your Terran privilege, shitlord!
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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Maybe we can call Rob, "Deep Throat" for that reason.
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Since 1940s comics are overdone, I like pointing out things like Incredible Hulk #142 since it's from 1971 and was making fun of feminists. TL;DR Valkyrie attacks Hulk who the whole issue has no idea what she's going on about. Truly, comics have been at the forefront of progressive values now and since forever. Clearly. Every story was totally like this and I'm not picking random shit to sound intelligent.The early Siegel/Shuster Superman stories did present the Man of Steel as a social crusader before his popularity took off and the editor (the name escapes) told them to cut it out. As for X-Men in the 60s, I don't know if it was a perfect metaphor for the civil rights movement as many of those stories read like the standard action/adventure tales of the time with some prejudice thrown in. As for Luke Cage, the character was clearly created to capitalize on the Blaxploitation craze as Iron Fist and Shang-Chi were created as a reaction to the martial arts craze of the 70s.
His assumption is that comic books have always been didactical in nature. No, they weren't. They are a form of entertainment and people generally resent their entertainment being used as a soundboard for the entertainer's personal politics because it is--frankly--patronizing.
Also worth noting: the Denny O'Neill/Neal Adams run on Green Lantern/Green Arrow received accolades for its "cultural relevance" because it dealt with real world issues like racism and drug use. What the "comics media" won't tell you is that it sold poorly with the title cancel and the stories shifted to backups in the Flash title. Being "woke" in the 60s and 70s didn't sell and it sure as hell doesn't fifty years later.
Here's a little sample of GL/GA:
Gee, maybe it has to do with the fact he has a whole sector to patrol? Check your Terran privilege, shitlord!
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That's why Marvel let's them show basically the entire book, right? Whereas comicsgaters can only show a portion.
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And you’re probably saying that without knowing just how dumb and gay the Cassandra Nova character alone is. Put it this way, The Venture Brothers did the exact same character/story 1000x better.
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There's that term again: "cultural relevance".
Nobody who uses that term to praise something understands what it means in the first place, because culture changes. What is "culturally relevant" now very likely wasn't "culturally relevant" in the past and very likely won't be "culturally relevant" in the future.
All the classical works from across space and time, from the Western canon to the Chinese classics, from when humans first started to write mythologies to even now, are effectively timeless and spaceless in literary value. They are still relevant now as they are then. And that is because they shape culture, and often continue to shape culture, rather than being overly shaped by culture.
If a work focuses too much on fundamentally transient social issues, then its literary value effectively dies with those social issues, ultimately only becoming something of historical value, a period piece, intentional or not. Instead, a writer should focus on more long-enduring themes, even when talking about fundamentally transient social issues (even better if the author links the two narratively), so that even though his work may reflect his culture, it ultimately transcends it.
The writer-director-artist aspiring to create the next masterpiece of art, theater, or literature should not understand of doing so by indulging in intellectual chest-thumping and creating thinly veiled propaganda, because his work will become worthless the moment whatever issue(s) he's discussing through his work leaves the collective public consciousness. He should instead aspire to create his magnum opus on ideas and concepts that have and will always possess at least some relevance in the minds of people everywhere.
Even if the aspiring writer-director-artist is just making a classical masterwork of entertainment, then his work should actually be entertaining, giving depth to the conflict, setting, and characters. Intellectual chest-thumping and thinly veiled propaganda possess none of that depth-giving ability, and only exist to drive in certain "truths" the creator wants you to know. If your understanding of the world is shallow, your ability to worldbuild will similarly be shallow.
TL;DR "cultural relevance" is stupid and people should not base works on the concept.
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Speakin of cultural relevance, does nobody in any of these dumpster fire marketing teams wonder why it is that not a one of the literally hundreds (if not thousands) of cheaply made hysteria peddling outgroup demonizing morality play movies of the 30s to the 60s did anything more than vanish into utter obscurity after like a week? Because that shit sure as hell was made to be "relevent" to topical threats to humanity's soul of the times (i.e. Reefer, Communism, Beatniks, and Mail Order Erotica) and yet it has aged so poorly it isnt even remembered with shame because literally nobody fucking knows or cares about them enough
And to be quite frank, did any of the jawdroppingly out of touch and hi-lariously cringy "hey young swelldudes. throwing rocks at negroes and housewives is like so non-wack yo!" style comics of the gold and silver age actually become widely beloved and read classics? or did they just get fucking buried for decades until some autistic cracked writer wanted to do a list of "LOL LOOK AT THESE SUPER PROBLEMATIC ANTI BIGOTRY COMICS FROM THE 60S!" in order to pay for that weeks rent? Because I sincerely doubt any of them did.
Now you have the exact same shit being spammed in comics (and other places) but with the added bonus of the creators actively declaring jihad on any who point out "this is preachy and boring and stupid" so I really dont know how any exec on any level is dumb enough to just take marketing at its word
And to be quite frank, did any of the jawdroppingly out of touch and hi-lariously cringy "hey young swelldudes. throwing rocks at negroes and housewives is like so non-wack yo!" style comics of the gold and silver age actually become widely beloved and read classics? or did they just get fucking buried for decades until some autistic cracked writer wanted to do a list of "LOL LOOK AT THESE SUPER PROBLEMATIC ANTI BIGOTRY COMICS FROM THE 60S!" in order to pay for that weeks rent? Because I sincerely doubt any of them did.
Now you have the exact same shit being spammed in comics (and other places) but with the added bonus of the creators actively declaring jihad on any who point out "this is preachy and boring and stupid" so I really dont know how any exec on any level is dumb enough to just take marketing at its word
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It's like if back when Captain Planet was a thing, there was an army of spastic mongoloids screaming that anyone who said it was crappy, preachy bullshit was literally a Nazi.
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That is the key difference. Autism's power allows even the worst and cringiest shit to be turned into comics/cartoons to gain a loyal cult following for decades after it ends.....but even autism has limits when autists get directly and openly insulted by those creating said shitty comics/cartoons.
Infact this might well be the epitath of this widespread death and decay of fandoms we have seen since woke/screw-the-fans marketing took over.
"Even Autism had limits..."
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Troon bitching about Chelsea Cain's comments from ~1 month ago (something along the lines of; Trannies aren't in my wahmen book as they don't have periods due to being men - it's in the thread). Sad thing is that while this is a shitpost, i could see it happening. Joe Glass shows up to ask if it's OK to make a joke before doing so, like the little bitch he is. https://twitter.com/erikapriceart/status/1064976324987666433 http://archive.is/zwSPq
How about shelf space based on merit and popularity.
How about shelf space based on merit and popularity.
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I wish all these middle age white women and bearded trannies would get a taste of Islam. I wonder if they're bright enough to change their views after or if they'll blame it on Trump.
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“But real Islam hasn't been tried before”
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If the west were to magically be conquered by an Islamic caliphate tomorrow, the troons would be killed immediately of course, they're barely able to survive as it is. The middle age white women would convert by the end of the day and work for the religious police by the end of the week.
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And then the caliphate soon devolves into sectarian infighting, like these tards will after Waid loses.
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Jesus, these people are fucking dense. Look, I acknowledge trans women as women, but doesn't mean that I turn my fucking brain off and pretend that trans women can somehow get pregnant and menstruate WITHOUT HAVING A UTERUS AND OVARIES.
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So the guy that created snake eyes and wrote “Silent interlude” is now a blustering tough guy? Fantastic.
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You just literally killed 814,127 trans women with that statement. I hope you're happy.
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Heartbreaking. Hama's work on G.I. Joe is considered to be some of the best in comics, and this is what he's reduced himself to?
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Pure tribalism. I wouldn't be surprised if you asked 90% of these idiots what that lawsuit is even about or what Waid did, they wouldn't have a fucking clue as to what that was, or what tortious interference even is.
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I supported Comicsgate until I didn’t
19 Aug 2018
Comicsgate is definitely a hate groupFor a while, I’ve had some strong opinions about comic books. My biggest concern is that comics cost too much. The average price of a monthly comic book is $3.99. That’s too much for the amount of entertainment you get. Considering that it takes less than 10 minutes to read a 22-page comic book, it’s the most expensive form of entertainment I enjoy. In comparison, I pay $14.99 a month for an Audible membership and for that, I get one audiobook. I get hours and hours of entertainment for my $14.99. Currently, I’m listening to a book that’s over 17 hours in length.
The truth about Comicsgate
I learned over time Comicsgate was about all sorts of things I didn’t agree with. These things included:
Everything began to change for me when the leaders in Comicsgate, Richard C. Meyer, Ethan Van Sciver, and some of the others began asking people to help fund their independent books. These books cost more than traditional comic books. A lot more.
- Anyone who doesn’t agree with Comicsgate is called names. If you’re not down with Comicsgate, you’re a social justice warrior (SJW). Men are called cucks, soy-boys, radical leftists, or some other derogatory name. Women are called cum dumpsters, fake geeks, diversity hires, or worse. Since most supporters of Comicsgate hide behind fake names, they throw these insults towards people while protected by anonymity. I take a dim view of fake name people attacking real name people.
- Comicsgate supporters claimed to want politics out of comics. That turned out not to be true. They were fine with politics if it was Trumpian in nature. I’ve watched live streams on YouTube with Comicsgate people and they never grow tired of bashing Hillary Clinton or anyone critical of Donald Trump. I reluctantly voted for Hillary Clinton and I’m critical of Donald Trump. When Comicsgate creators bash Hillary Clinton supporters and people critical of Trump, they’re bashing me.
- Comicsgate supporters wanted comics to be more affordable until they didn’t.
Comicsgate related books
Jawbreakers: Lost Souls, Richard C. Meyer, 112 pages, $25 + $10 shipping.
Cyberfrog: Blood Honey, Ethen Van Sciver, 48 pages, $25 + $10 shipping.
Red Rooster: Golden Age, Mitch and Elizabeth Breitweiser, 40 pages, $25 + $10 shipping.
There are others, but these are the most popular books in Comicsgate. They describe these books as graphic novels. Most people associate graphic novels with five or six issues of a floppy comic that have been bundled together into a book. Most graphic novels have at the very least 120 pages (5 floppy comics). The graphic novels offered by the Comicsgate crew have fewer pages. In some cases, a lot less.
What I find to be especially obnoxious is the $10 shipping. Since these books are only available through the Indiegogo crowdfunding platform, the only way to get one is to have it shipped to you. The price should then be rolled into the cost of the book.
Have Comicsgate creators never heard of Amazon?
These creators could have used Amazon to fulfill orders, allowing Amazon Prime members to pay nothing for 2-day shipping. I’m currently listing my old graphic novels on eBay. It costs only a couple bucks to send a graphic novel U.S. First Class Mail. If it’s too heavy for that, I send them U.S. Media Mail.
Padded envelopes.
I ship them in padded envelopes I purchased in bulk at Sam’s Club. I can do this because the books I’m selling are actually graphic novels. Most of the graphic novels sold on Indiegogo are not really graphic novels so they need something more substantive than a padded envelope. I imagine at the very least they will need to be bagged and boarded and sent in something more rigid than a padded envelope. That’s what I do when I ship a single floppy comic.
Since the buyer is paying to ship when they buy a graphic novel from me on eBay, I make it as cheap as possible to send it to them. I get the impression these Comicsgate creators never even considered making the shipping as affordable as they could. They seemingly just don’t care.
Indiegogo is a terrible place for the consumer to buy comic books
This IndieGoGo business model is beyond stupid. These books are far too expensive even without the extortionate cost of shipping. Any success these creators enjoy will be short-lived. Show me a consumer willing to pay $35 for a 40-page comic and I’ll show you a consumer who will probably never do it again.
I know I won’t.
By charging $35 for a 40-page graphic novel, these Comicsgate creators are making comics even more expensive than they are now. They’re also being rude to the fans. Charging $35 for a 40-page comic is rude. Comicsgate followers don’t realize how poorly Comicsgate creators are treating them. That doesn’t mean they’ll never realize it. Just wait for them to get their wafer-thin $35 “graphic novels” and begin to realize what they could have bought on Amazon for $35.
The attack on Jeremy Hambly
Jeremy Hambly
Jeremy Hambly is a person who makes Magic: The Gathering videos on YouTube. Wizards of the Coast, the makers of Magic: The Gathering, banned Hambly for life over videos he made attacking, insulting, and harassing people in the Magic: The Gatheringcommunity.
During the early morning of August 2, 2018, in Indianapolis, Indiana, Hambly was attacked outside a bar. He was in Indianapolis for GenCon, a massively popular tabletop convention starting later that day. Hambly didn’t know his attacker. His assailant attacked him without provocation. Fortunately for Hambly, he was unharmed in the attack.
Initially, I was supportive of Hambly, but then more and more “facts” about the incident came out or were changed, I began to question what really happened. Hambly was not only changing his story, but he was also deleting videos he initially made about the attack. It was then I began blogging about this incident with a more critical eye. These are the posts:
I did not know Jeremy Hambly was a leader in Comicsgate
- Jeremy Hambly assaulted at Gen Con by male feminist Matt Loter
- Jeremy Hambly getting punched at Gen Con is now officially a dumpster fire
- The time Jeremy Hambly was banned from ‘Magic: The Gathering’
- Jeremy Hambly’s YouTube update poses yet more questions
Unbeknownst to me, Hambly was a leading figure in Comicsgate. I was unaware of this fact because I never watched a video of his where he talked about comic books. That didn’t matter. He was against Social Justice Warriors (SJWs), cucks, soy-boys, and “waamen” he deemed to be whores who were invading male-dominated hobbies.
It was then I began to get harassed by members of Comicsgate, even though I still considered myself a member of Comicsgate. I was harassed on Twitter and in my blog’s comment section. I actually had to shut down the comment section here for a while, the first time since 2006. It was bad. I’m no stranger to Internet bad actors, but what I was seeing directed towards me was a lot worse than the trolling I ever saw on Usenet.
I suddenly realized exactly what people were talking about when they spoke of being harassed by Comicsgate. I only wish I understood it before.
I also realized to be looked upon as a leader in Comicsgate, one doesn’t even need to be into comic books. What’s more important is your stance on women and men deemed to be radical leftist soy-boys. In other words, men who didn’t vote for Donald Trump.
The straw that broke the Comicsgate camel’s back
The thing that finally did it for me was watching a video by Richard C. Meyer “roasting” comic book writer Kwanza Osajyefo. In the video, Meyer was reading tweets from Osajyefo and used an effeminate “black” voice to impersonate him. Kwanza Osajyefo doesn’t sound anything like that. To assign an effeminate “black” voice to Osajyefo is racist and dishonest.
I’d watched these videos before, but they never registered with me as this video did. It made me feel ashamed I supported Meyer and Comicsgate. I was also ashamed that Meyer’s degrading treatment towards Osajyefo never bothered me before.
It should have.
I can only imagine the harassment Meyer’s supporters directed towards Osajyefo after each of these “roast” videos.
I won’t associate myself with a hashtag movement ever again. Although I have beliefs, I’m perfectly capable of expressing those beliefs without the aid of a hashtag. I’m very much pro-consumer, so much so that I look at the Indiegogo campaigns of Comicsgate creators as nothing more than blatant cash grabs, preying on their followers.
13 Sep 2018
Ethan Van Sciver blocked me on TwitterIt’s been a bad week for Comicsgate. Former Marvel Comics Editor in chief and current Chief Creative Officer of Marvel Entertainment Joe Quesada wrote a series of tweets criticizing Comicsgate. Maybe Quesada’s tweets about Comicsgate wouldn’t have been so bad if they were made in a vacuum. The problem for Comicsgate is just about everyone else in comics has denounced the movement too.
Everyone who’s not selling $35 48-page graphic novels on IndieGoGo that is.
I was a supporter of Comicsgate back when it was more of a consumer rights group and not the pro-Trump group that it is today. If Comicsgate doesn’t want to be looked upon as a hate group, I proposed they should try to go a week without using hateful, divisive language. I recommended Ethan Van Sciver, the leader and trademark owner of Comicsgate, issue a one-week moratorium to his followers on using insulting and derogatory language.
Ethan Van Sciver responded, but not the way I hoped.
I thought his response was both disheartening and depressing. I thought the division between Comicgate and everyone else in comics was an unwanted byproduct of their conservative, pro-Trump ideology. It would appear it is not. Ethan wants there to be division in comics.
He doesn’t want to control people’s language? That’s something new. A few weeks prior he was more than happy with controlling his follower’s language.
As the self-appointed Ceasor of Comicsgate, he could ask Comicsgators to respect and offer excessive kindness to the people they disagree with. Especially if it was only for a week.
Calling people soy-boys, cucks, libtards, leftists, and other dehumanizing and derogatory names isn’t hateful? I strongly disagree.
Ethan stopped responding. Not that I blame him. What more could he say? Of course, calling people derogatory and insulting names is hateful.
Needless to say, name calling is wrong
I don’t agree with people calling other people names. I also don’t agree with creating division within comic books. People who enjoy comic books should be able to get along with other people who enjoy comic books. What they have in common far outweighs any differences they might have.
At least it should be. Anyone who purposely throws division into comics fandom is no friend of the medium.
15 Nov 2018
Last week Ethan Van Sciver, the glorious leader of Comicsgate blocked me on Twitter. The reason? He’s good at throwing insults, but not so good at hearing the truth.
It started when I commented on someone’s tweet about a donor to Richard C. Meyer’s lawsuit campaign. Meyer is suing comic book writer Mark Waid for slander and tortious interference. When Waid started a legal defense fundraiser on GoFundMe to help pay for his lawyer, Van Sciver responded by starting a similar fundraiser for Meyer.
Waid’s list of donors reads like a who’s who in the world of funny books. Meyer’s list of donors, not so much. One of Meyer’s donors is someone named Nancy Balbutin-Collins. She donated $11,000 to help Meyer sue Waid. She’s now the third highest donor to Meyer’s fundraiser.
Who is Nancy Balbutin-Collins?
Renfamous, Comicsgate’s number one enemy and one of the best people to follow on Twitter, googled Nancy Balbutin-Collins’ name and the first result was a real estate agent in Northern California. Renfamous then posted a screenshot of her real estate agent page, minus her contact information along with a funny comment.
The screenshot was interesting because it showed Nancy Balbutin-Collins is not the type of person one would normally associate with comic books, let alone something as toxic as Comicsgate.
Comicsgate supporters responded to Renfamous’ screenshot by claiming it doxxed Nancy Balbutin-Collins. As you can see from the above tweet, this claim is not true. Nancy Balbutin-Collins chose to give to the fundraiser with her full name. She could have donated anonymously. When someone googles that name, the see her real estate agent page. If that’s doxxing, than Google and Ask Jeeves dox people every single millisecond. I tweeted something to that effect. This prompted Ethan Van Sciver to insult me by claiming I used to have ethics.
Who does Van Sciver think he is to comment about my ethics?
That was… strange. I have many weaknesses and flaws. A lack of ethics is not one of them. I’m a very ethical person. I responded to his insult about me, not with an insult toward him, but some much-needed truth about me.
Minutes later, Van Sciver responded with more insults.
How rich that he would dare accuse anyone else of engaging in a harassment campaign. He is the undisputed leader of Comicsgate, a group of people who constantly harass people. And what in the hell is a “lickspittle“? Did someone buy Van Sciver a Dennis Prager word-of-the-day calendar?
Conservative smarty-pants, Dennis Prager.
Not only have I never heard that word used in a sentence, but I’m also quite confident I’ll never hear it used ever again.
I pointed out to Van Sciver that he’s in noposition to criticize and insult my ethics.
Ethan Van Sciver should feel embarrassed to insult someone’s ethics when he clearly has a problem in that area of his life. Part of being an ethical person is paying your debts. It’s unethical not to, especially when you have the means to do so.
Before the emergence as Donald Trump as the face of the Republican Party, most Democrat voters thought Mitt Romney was kind of a jerk. In retrospect, Mitt Romney is a wonderful and decent guy.
Remember, according to Mitt Romney, the candidate Van Sciver supported for president in 2012, corporations are people. When you stiff a corporation the money you agreed to pay them, you’re stiffing people.
Van Sciver responded a few hours later.
Van Sciver fails to realize foreclosure records are not private. They are public records. Nobody stole them. Too bad for him he didn’t consider that when he decided to simply not to pay his mortgage.
I found it ironic he called me a “piece of shit” yet of the two of us, I’m the one who pays his debts. Ethan Van Sciver does not. I was going to reply to his tweet, but then immediately after saying “fuck you” and calling me a “piece of shit,” he blocked me.
The only time I heard about Ethan Van Sciver’s foreclosure was on his own YouTube channel
I didn’t learn of Van Sciver’s foreclosure from an SJW unless he is an SJW. I learned about it from him. He talked about it on two of his YouTube live streams. Van Sciver deleted one but left the first one on YouTube. He begins talking about his foreclosure at around the 21-minute mark.
According to Van Sciver, in 2015 he owned a house in North Carolina and didn’t want to live there anymore. He wanted to return to New Jersey so he could be with his now current wife. She couldn’t move to North Carolina because of a child custody situation. According to Van Sciver, he owned more on the house than it was worth, so selling it was out of the question. He said he was advised to walk away from the house and rent for the next three years.
Ethical people pay their debts
Van Sciver didn’t say who advised him just walk away from a house he still owed money on, a house he could afford to pay. Is walking away from a house because you don’t want to live in it any more unethical? When you still have the means to pay for, one hundred percent yes.
Van Sciver didn’t say he couldn’t afford the mortgage. He said he just didn’t want to live there anymore. It’s unethical behavior like this that makes it difficult for normal, honest people to get a mortgage. I would never walk away from my mortgage because I wanted to live somewhere else. It’s unethical and irresponsible. Van Sciver has no business accusing me of being unethical. I pay my debts. He does not.
Just to be absolutely clear
I do not have a problem with Ethan Van Sciver blocking me on Twitter. It’s not like I place value in what the man has to say. Not anymore. What I took issue with was how he did it. He sought me out to insult me. He implied I’m not ethical. I corrected him. He insulted me again with the same disparaging accusation. I pointed out that he was in no position to insult my ethics. I told him why. He then told me “fuck you” and said I was a “piece of shit.” He then immediately blocked me so that I could not respond.
What makes his behaviour even more outrageous is that I am his customer. I paid $35 for his 48-page CyberFrog comic back when I supported Comicsgate. He knows this. And I thought Comicsgate was about comic book professionals treating customers with respect.
Is Ethan Van Sciver a “real man”?
I block people on Twitter, but I don’t block people after I instigate trouble with them. I don’t instigate trouble with anyone, not on Twitter or anywhere else. Unlike Ethan Van Sciver, I don’t seek out to create drama. I don’t like drama.
Top artwork by the great Aaron A Alvarez.
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I don’t know much about this Rottman character but 1 thing is very clear. He is massively assmad.
From reading these posts and what I could gather from the TUG video, he massively mad that Ethan can’t and wouldn’t tell people what to do. While he was part of CG he seemed to look for a leading figure, someone to tell him what to do. Good thing he switched sides, now he has plenty of people to tell him what to do.
One of his other complaints was that the crowdfund books are expensive. I’m pretty sure we would all be reading Antarctic Press’s JawBreakers LS by now for around $5 if a certain balding angry toy collector didn’t keep to himself.
He says he’s not bothered by getting blocked by Ethan and yet he made an entire article about it. He called into question Ethan’s ethics for the house foreclosure, but he seems to think and even defends Ren doxing one of YaBoi’s donors.
TDLR - Rottman is autistically mad on the internet.
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