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I wonder if Marvel used their standard over-shipping practices when sending those 250,000 copies to Ollies. No, no, no Ollies those extra 50,000 copies we sent were for promotion... or something.
 
If you want to know why Marvel is clearancing 250,000 Graphic Novels, just go into any Barnes & Noble and look at the Graphic Novel shelves. Try and pick a place to start. Where is the entry point for a new reader? Marvel over saturated the market by flipping everything to a GN, but not numbering them or giving them any coherent presentation to provide an on ramp. The GN shelves are visual and product overload. They are literally shelves full of 4 color equivalent to shovelware. When faced with too much selection and no ability to discern quality from crap in the pre sales selection process, consumers take their spending elsewhere.

I mean look at those Ollie’s stores. Those are far better product presentation than the full price retail bookstores. It’s just the base product itself that is a cluttered mess.
 
RodgerDodger said:
If you want to know why Marvel is clearancing 250,000 Graphic Novels, just go into any Barnes & Noble and look at the Graphic Novel shelves. Try and pick a place to start. Where is the entry point for a new reader? Marvel over saturated the market by flipping everything to a GN, but not numbering them or giving them any coherent presentation to provide an on ramp. The GN shelves are visual and product overload. They are literally shelves full of 4 color equivalent to shovelware.
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And sadly, unlike the last time shovelware crashed a market, Marvel can't blame third parties.
 
TinCan Wizard said:
I don't know either. New 52 was CRAP in the beginning. Reboot aside it reeked of the worst 90s cliches ranging from terrible art and stories, XTR3ME characters, and shitloads of cross-overs across many books. The only books I enjoyed from nu-52 were Azz Wonder Woman, and Demon Knights.
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From what I remember a lot of the worst parts of the New 52 were the result of a lot of the same mistakes nuMarvel is making now: lots of creative change-ups pre or mid series, nepotism hires, a bunch of half-baked ideas behind the scenes being thrown around, completely overhauling previously established characters with concepts that prove to be terrible in the long run, etc.

Why anyone would want to go back to that is beyond me.
 
One Man Bland said:
Why anyone would want to go back to that is beyond me.
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Mostly pride, Didio's decisions put DC in a bad place during N52. Geoff Johns pulled Didio's (and by extension DC's) ass out of the fire with Rebirth and brought back/added a lot of things that proved popular. Didio strikes me as completely assmad that his vision for DC wasn't what people wanted and he is completely willing to drag down the DC Universe with him as long as he's attached to it.

Basically:
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damian said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z-XNHF4zvXMDan Didio Checklist:
Kill Wally West: :agree:
Kill Nightwing Have Dick Grayson shot in the head, get amnesia and change his name: :agree:
Destroy the Superman family: :agree:
Bring back the New 52:

tfw you leave DC because of New 52, return thanks to Rebirth and see it regress back to New 52:
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This sucks very much. I was so happy to finally see Superman get proper books and seeing people get stoked on him and BOOM! Bendis kills it with his crappy dialogue and having Lois Lane act out of character like leaving her son alone with his insane grandfather!

and what's the point of brining wally west back if you are going to kill him?
 
damian said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z-XNHF4zvXMDan Didio Checklist:
Kill Wally West: :agree:
Kill Nightwing Have Dick Grayson shot in the head, get amnesia and change his name: :agree:
Destroy the Superman family: :agree:
Bring back the New 52:

tfw you leave DC because of New 52, return thanks to Rebirth and see it regress back to New 52:
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You can trace this to when Geoff Johns quit as Chief Creative Officer and got the boot from DC Films to return writing and start his own production company. He was the one keeping DiDio's excesses in check and his departure effectively opened the floodgates for the "dark and edgy" shit Danno is foisting upon us. Geoff gets a lot of grief for wanking the Silver and Bronze Age of comics, but let's face it, those were the ICONIC versions of the characters and the ones that appeared on the merchandise (the stuff that appeared in the DC Comics Style Guide drawn by Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez) for decades. It was a more optimistic time and Rebirth was supposed to be a response to the cynicism Watchmen (allegedly) brought to the medium in the Post-Crisis landscape.

What Dan wants to do is drag us to the Post-Crisis Dark Age where Superman was ineffectual at best and Batman was a miserable mess of a human being. With Bendis and King at the helm, he is succeeding. It surprises me that other iconic characters like Flash and Green Lantern haven't got that treatment.

Rebis said:
What’s happened to the Legion really sucks. Back in its prime it had some of the best talents in comics working on it, and had great sales success. Now, it apparently can’t even keep an ongoing series. I know people who want to get into it, but can’t get over all the complex continuity DC has forced on the concept over the years.
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The Legion has been so thoroughly fucked since 1986. DC rebooted the team three times over the span fifteen years and then "retro-booted" the Pre-Crisis Legion (more or less) back to continuity. I would just tell them to read Paul Levitz's runs in the 70s/80s and skip everything else. Well, I would recommend the 1994 reboot and the Dan Abnett/Andy Lanning run too.
 
RodgerDodger said:
The shear number of graphic novels on clearance at Ollie’s tells me the bookstores are paring down their Western Comics shelves and not restocking them. Figure Barnes and Noble has had enough of $30 shelf warmers, when they can’t restock the lower price point Manga fast enough. This has been building for a few months. I noticed that 2nd and Charles is at capacity for Graphic Novels. A huge wave of DC New 52 drek hit Ollie’s a few months ago. Some of the stuff I saw at Ollie’s also seemingly put truth to the lie of how well these GN’s are doing through Schoolastic.
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I didn't even know Scholastic was offering some of this crap. Graphic novels were out of my price range when I was a teenager and they were $19.99 for 180-200 pages. I can't imagine anybody buying the same type of book at $30 for a kid, and now they're printed on Bible tissue. I know people say that manga sells so many fewer copies per volume, but I've rarely seen manga at discount stores, and never more than 2-3 individual copies. If Ollies got a quarter million books from one business, obviously some of those numbers are off.
RodgerDodger said:
If you want to know why Marvel is clearancing 250,000 Graphic Novels, just go into any Barnes & Noble and look at the Graphic Novel shelves. Try and pick a place to start. Where is the entry point for a new reader? Marvel over saturated the market by flipping everything to a GN, but not numbering them or giving them any coherent presentation to provide an on ramp. The GN shelves are visual and product overload. They are literally shelves full of 4 color equivalent to shovelware. When faced with too much selection and no ability to discern quality from crap in the pre sales selection process, consumers take their spending elsewhere.

I mean look at those Ollie’s stores. Those are far better product presentation than the full price retail bookstores. It’s just the base product itself that is a cluttered mess.
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The very least the publishers could do is let the cover represent the true contents, and add an obi wrap to detail critical info like "brand new book with your favorite new movie characters" or "volume 2 in a 4-part series" or the original year and issue numbers included. All I see is a mess of shoopy muddy art and Photoshop filters. If I want to read some 1990s books with crisp bright art, the modern cover art doesn't register in my brain as something to even consider.
 
Only update to Waid's super evidence, looks like a photo of a printout from an anti-CG source (background bitching about 1/2hours videos about how people should be drafted) Too bad that the account isn't Ya boi. Also whoever sent this to Waid should be killed for incompetency.
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Jetpack Himmler said:
You can trace this to when Geoff Johns quit as Chief Creative Officer and got the boot from DC Films to return writing and start his own production company. He was the one keeping DiDio's excesses in check and his departure effectively opened the floodgates for the "dark and edgy" shit Danno is foisting upon us. Geoff gets a lot of grief for wanking the Silver and Bronze Age of comics, but let's face it, those were the ICONIC versions of the characters and the ones that appeared on the merchandise (the stuff that appeared in the DC Comics Style Guide drawn by Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez) for decades. It was a more optimistic time and Rebirth was supposed to be a response to the cynicism Watchmen (allegedly) brought to the medium in the Post-Crisis landscape.
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I find this good guy Johns narrative very weird considering that he was key writer all the time and penned multiple stories were characters were getting maimed and killed.
 
It’s like a switch was flipped or something:
Imagine having the reprints of the first 26 issues of the series your company is named after cancelled because “it didn’t stand the test of time”.
 
damian said:
It’s like a switch was flipped or something:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MB2KOIiPry8Imagine having the reprints of the first 26 issues of the series your company is named after cancelled because “it didn’t stand the test of time”.
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Remember these also from Warner Bros.? Oh, how times have changed.
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Bonus: If you google this disclaiming, you can come across people who've reee'd at it for not having a line about how after letting your kids watch, you should scream at them about Nazis hiding in your cereal bowl.
 
RockVolnutt said:
Remember these also from Warner Bros.? Oh, how times have changed.
warner-brothers-warning.jpg


Bonus: If you google this disclaiming, you can come across people who've reee'd at it for not having a line about how after letting your kids watch, you should scream at them about Nazis hiding in your cereal bowl.
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There was a time when people actually praised WB for this disclaimer, for being up front and honest about things.

But nowadays we have to wish all the Badthink away to the cornfield and pretend it never was.
 
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