#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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Captain Manning said:
@EGB's point was that Kamen America hit over $100K and 2,000 backers in a roughly 72 hour time frame. It's very simple.

Did Malin do that? If not, what are we even discussing? You're counterargument to EGB here is off base.


I will, in fact, predict that Tim will have more backers than Malin's current campaign after Tim's campaign ends in 37 days.

As for whether Tim will break $200,000: Maybe, but probably not. Not this time. I lean towards "probably not" because again, Tim's book is about half the price of Malin's. Tim will have to have about 4,000 backers to hit that. Especially considering the figure (most expensive tier) sold out in minutes.

I don't think 3,000 backers is entirely unrealistic by next month, but I think he'll have more than Malin regardless.

As a consumer, I really like Tim's pricing, so I am hardly gonna advocate Tim raise his prices it just to beat out all the overpriced CG shit in these crowdfunding campaigns. Win a meaningless Internet argument so I can pay more for a book I like? Well, that's just stupid.


Pot meet kettle.


His argument is 100K in 72 hours. You counter with "Well, look what Malin did in 45(ish) days!" You missed Edwin's point entirely. I'm sure Edwin is acutely aware that a number of CG campaigns have raised much more money in total. Frog himself being the obvious example.
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You must have missed my post.

jspit2.0 said:
Thank you Mr. Dongs.

Truly I am humbled. Manning, Boomer. I bend my heads and bow out of this noble numbers game. ;)

All hail king Liam.
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Hail King Liam.
 
LIAM GRAY is now trying to strike BitChute Channels
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Mister Dongs said:
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Aloha. I was just doing some numbers here and I couldn't help but notice that Liam Gray's manga 'Xenotype: Pursuit' has had over 1 million viewers on the manga website 'medibang dot com'. By my calculations, that means Liam Gray has had one thousand times the demand signal than Tim Lim has, all without enjoying the support of Doug Ernst or Iconic Comics. It's fascinating to see Liam Gray outperform someone so emphatically, so decisively, Tim Lim, on a one-thousand-to-one ratio. Truly incredible. I suggest we bring Tim Lim to Liam. Bring Tim Lim to him now, and Jon Malin for good measure, so they can study at the feet of their superior
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Demand signal here is just number of purchases it's not hard to understand - unless you are arguing CG is better because the cultists are willing to pay more and wait longer.
 
TESTEFY-HD said:
LIAM GRAY is now trying to strike BitChute Channels
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Just more evidence as to why Liam Gray is bigger than CG and Iconic Comics put together. While Tim Lim opts out of distateful, attention seeking youtube antics and sticks to making good, clean comic books, Liam Gray takes it the next step and actively takes down youtube and bitchute channels and videos. Is this why X-Roads: Strive (just one property of the Liam Gray empire) had at least 50 times the viewer demand than all of Kamen America put together? I say... yes.

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jspit2.0 said:
You must have missed my post.
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No, you must really just dislike EGB, or really like Malin, or don't want anything approaching a fair comparison.

It's okay, I openly confess I really like KA, and get a bit giddy when it triggers some people in CG. FROG included. I can't help myself.

When you crunch the numbers, Tim had a higher number of backers in his last campaign than Malin currently has, in less campaign time, on ONE platform: Kickstarter.

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Then when you factor in the fact that Tim double-barrels his campaigns on IGG, you can add that to the totals too.

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2,280 + 735 = 3,015 backers. Ergo, he's almost certainly getting more books into people's hands than Malin.

Is it fair to combine Tim's IGG and KS numbers against just Malin's current IGG campaign? Well, Malin extended his IGG campaign to 60 days, and CG's rejection of KS is entirely self-imposed (and IMO, retarded), so I say fuck it.

Finally, you're comparing books with two entirely price points. I'm not gonna reveal who said this (unless they want me to), but the following is a very salient point I'm just gonna copy/paste.

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It's about unit revenue. You don't seem to grasp that, which is why comparing Malin to Tim based only on total money raised in a campaign is like apples to watermelons.

Again, I don't know if Tim will break into $200,000 this time around, but I have no problems believing more people will be reading KA4 than Godlike.
 
Captain Manning said:
Again, I don't know if Tim will break into $200,000 this time around, but I have no problems believing more people will be reading KA4 than Godlike.
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I think you and Edwin are missing the Orange Elephant in the room, unless you are arguing that Lim is better because fewer people (far fewer) are willing to pay more and wait longer for his books.
 
jspit2.0 said:
That's great. So in order to establish Lim as greater than CG he needs to outperform the top campaign, Godlike. He currently isn't.
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I'm not. Tim a hundred grand across two platforms. Godlike with 13 days left to fund is at two grand. Double that. Funding typical comes in an initial rush beginning and a close out.
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So say it. Is Tim going to outsell Malin or not?
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"Outsell" is a difficult metric considering Malin is charging $25 + $10 while Lim and Pellegrini are charging $10 + $5 for the hardcover of KA4 and $25 + $5 for the hardcover omnibus.

As an mental exercise, if you adjust Lim and Pelllegrini's pricing to be commiserate with Malin's - adding $15 per KA4 and an additional $10 to the omnibus) it adds around $54k to their total, bringing it to $157,568 after 3 days compared to Malin's $207,612 after 48. [please note, I'm not saying this is a kosher argument, I just found it interesting]

Backer tracker has Lim and Pellegrini's campaign trending to make $328,919. Their projections are usually high in the first few days of the campaign, so we'll see where it levels out to. And they have GodLike trending to make $303,568.
 
Mister Dongs said:
I think you and Edwin are missing the Orange Elephant in the room, unless you are arguing that Lim is better because fewer people (far fewer) are willing to pay more and wait longer for his books.
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Well, that's a point, to be sure. A number of people have already noted that Lim is more efficient and delivers a better value than a lot of people in CG.

But seriously, are we gonna argue that Liam is bestest because his shit book gets more views (however that's calculated, and if it's even commesurate with backers) on a FREE website?

Really? Come on Dongs. You're smarter than this.

VIkkiVerse said:
"Outsell" is a difficult metric considering Malin is charging $25 + $10 while Lim and Pellegrini are charging $10 + $5 for the hardcover of KA4 and $25 + $5 for the hardcover omnibus.

As an mental exercise, if you adjust Lim and Pelllegrini's pricing to be commiserate with Malin's - adding $15 per KA4 and an additional $10 to the omnibus) it adds around $54k to their total, bringing it to $157,568 after 3 days compared to Malin's $207,612 after 48. [please note, I'm not saying this is a kosher argument, I just found it interesting]

Backer tracker has Lim and Pellegrini's campaign trending to make $328,919. Their projections are usually high in the first few days of the campaign, so we'll see where it levels out to. And they have GodLike trending to make $303,568.
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This. 1000%.
 
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Captain Manning said:
No, you must really just dislike EGB, or really like Malin, or don't want anything approaching a fair comparison.....

It's okay, I openly confess I really like KA, and get a bit giddy when it triggers some people in CG. FROG included. I can't help myself.
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So your a sped then?

I'm not. Stop projecting

Captain Manning said:
Again, I don't know if Tim will break into $200,000 this time around, but I have no problems believing more people will be reading KA4 than Godlike.
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Mister Dongs said:
I think you and Edwin are missing the Orange Elephant in the room, unless you are arguing that Lim is better because fewer people (far fewer) are willing to pay more and wait longer for his books.
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Captain Manning said:
Well, that's a point, to be sure. A number of people have already noted that Lim is more efficient and delivers a better value than a lot of people in CG.

But seriously, are we gonna argue that Liam is bestest because his shit book gets more views (however that's calculated, and if it's even commesurate with backers) on a FREE website?

Really? Come on Dongs. You're smarter than this.
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Hail King Liam.
 
Captain Manning said:
But seriously, are we gonna argue that Liam is bestest because his shit book gets more views (however that's calculated, and if it's even commesurate with backers) on a FREE website?
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Yes we are. As has been pointed out here, funds raised are irrelevant. Bad even, as it reflects badly on the backers being taken for a ride. Why else would Lim's fans be coming in here for page after page to dab about him making half as much as Shane Davis? Is it because they're fucking retarded? I argue no. The only thing that matters is viewer interest, the franchise who has the greatest number of backers as possible.
And Xenotype: Pursuit has beaten Kamen America hundreds of times over by the metric of viewer interest.

Kamen America has a wait time of 4-6 months usually between backing and delivery.
Xenotype: Pursuit was delivered to consumers in the time it took them to click the "read comic" hyperlink. Instant delivery.

Kamen America backers: ~10000 (?) consumers spread out across franchise
Xenotype Pursuit + X-Roads Strive: 1.6 million.

No matter how you slice it, in every way except funds raised (which we all agree don't matter), Liam Gray has crushed everything Tim Lim or Iconic Comics has done or ever will do.
 
Mister Dongs said:
Kamen America has a wait time of 4-6 months usually between backing and delivery.
Xenotype: Pursuit was delivered to consumers in the time it took them to click the "read comic" hyperlink. Instant delivery.
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And there's the rub. It's not a physical copy. I simply can not agree that a FREE digital copy is commensurate in measuring success with a physical copy you pay for. The lure and complete lack of risk of looking at something for free is going to vastly skew the numbers. How do you even know search engine robots aren't contributing to the view total on that site? We know how IGG and KS calculate backers.

Maybe I am a boomer like EGB. I still like paper. Something that looks nice on a bookshelf. Never even once used the download link Tim sends me when I back each issue of KA.

Hey @EGB, you wanna go yell at the goddamned kids to get off the lawn? I'm down.

jspit2.0 said:
So your a sped then?
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No. I'm on Kiwifarms.

Which, to some extent, means yes.
 
Kamen America had more backers but charged much less. This begs the question of what if KA operated at a loss? What if Tim Lim only charged a quarter or a nickel to get a copy of Kamen America? The comic might fundraise something like 50 bucks, but he'd have way more backers. The logical conclusion for backer supremacy is to charge zero dollars, like what Liam did. That's why Liam has 1.6 million consumers compared to KA's 5-digit backer total. That's why Liam Gray has 335 pages of Xenotype content to the 240 pages of Kamen America.

Tim Lim is good. He's just not Liam Gray good.
 
YesNoMaybe said:
Did Liam Gray ever finish the club house/tree house, btw?
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No, he ran out of money because he has to give away his shitty books on a free manga site in order to be the King of Comicsgate. It's some new form of Australian Marxism combined with a REALLY overly optimistic PR campaign.

Seriously though, I have no fucking clue what that sped is doing. I think it's old hat. We really need some new discussion topics around here. Maybe @Newman's Own is right and somebody needs to get pegged again.
 
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