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#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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Check this clip from that livestream. I believe it's the one you're talking about.
I'd say politically it didn't work out as planned for Ethan by the response of WarCampaigner Tinfoilhatnick.
Nick is not alone there.
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That Nick and Edwin the Ace guy are MegaSpergs.
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So other than having significant financial control over the future success of their comic book career, EDVS doesn't control War Campaign.
Of note, Big Foot Bill 2 passed Cash Grab, in $$ but not in backers. They are Rival Campaigns according to the JACK show narrative.
I'll never understand, at least give that money to an e-thot like Project Melody so you can see some virtual titties. I spent that much recently on books from B&N. Going a little stir crazy.
The most expensive one was the next volume of Gundam the Origin, $27 for 460 pages of manga with a hard cover, mostly B&W with some color pages splashed in, like the other volumes. That's 10 times the content of the average IGG comic, but with free shipping.
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Yeah, Ethan is misrepresenting how the conversation actually went between him and Ro on Liam's livestream.
There was no veiled intimidation of anyone (at least finanically) but a fairly cogent explanation that a situation where if WC fans stop funding Cecil and Malin books and their fans in turn stop funding Vestige would result in less money raised for everyone involved.
To do that is one thing; it is another thing to then go to your audience and infer you intimidated them back into their natural roles of being gay clowns on threat of cancelling their comic book when your own gay clown in a red romper suit interrupts the conciliatory follow-up to talk shit (after refusing two invites for "reconciliation" on Liam Gray's show) because he forgot the briefing you gave before the show started. In the stream, Frog seems to be more aware of the duplicitious nature of their arguments than he lets on and sounds like he's getting genuinely tired of it.
I suppose botching the peace would be more condemnable on Frog's part if WC clearly didn't want to pick up the fight for any pretext after the humiliating first attempt at rebellion (which I might have clowned on them during and after) and also if it wasn't so obvious that "restoring peace" would just give the Gaylord the chance to pick off the few friends EVS has left before finally being able to enact whatever unimaginably debasing and cruel fate Ro no doubt has for Frog.
In lighter news, Andy Warski is ordering copies of Cyberfrog but being Warski is too retarded to figure out how to get comic books online and has contacted Frog for help. Will Warski break free of Geekthulu's guidance to try and get some kind of Comicsgate clicks into his dying channel or maybe get a grift going (if so he chose the worst possible time) or will he continue to fight the good fight while being groomed by Geekthulu. In any case, Comicsgate has not seen the last of Andy Warski.
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BFB2 was a sequel to an already established character from a fairly well known creator. The fact that a guy who gets loaded in a wrestling mask on YouTube is even neck and neck should be an embarrassment to Doug.
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I think that just proves what a lot of people have already been saying, merit means nothing to Comicsgate. Cult of personality drives sales in CG, not the final product itself. Probably doesn't help Doug that Ethan has been going after him for almost a year now attacking his character whenever he can and doing 6hr cope streams about "the dirt worm."
Fact is Doug offers a fair superior product than Cash Grab and Cyberfrog. The price per page is lower with Doug's books which are now 160 pages for $25, hardcovers and all the little trimmings like gilded page edges, foil logos and stretch goals. CG creator's seem to be copying Dougs methods with stylized boxes and blockhead figures.
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it doesn't prove anything because there's no way for us to individually know why the backers chose cashgrab instead of BFB 2. To say that people chose not to back BFB 2 ONLY BECAUSE doug is anti-comicsgate is myopic at best.
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Yeah it's called salesmanship, it matters. People are more likely to want to buy something from someone they feel they know and like. Exposure matters even more. Can't sell many books when you're stuck on your channel collecting a few hundred views a video.
It doesn't matter how good your product is if no one knows about it. That's what Ethan figured out, you need to have a presence on social media to push indie comics, the traditional way of doing things doesn't work anymore. That's also why he doesn't mind stirring up drama, it reminds people that he's there and what his sales pitch is. An he hardly has to do any stirring at all. Cynical maybe, but it hasn't failed him yet.
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Undoubtedly a number of people passed on Bigfoot Bill 2 because of that, but it has a similar number of backers to his first campaign and its still going. He likely to outdo his backer count from 1 by quite a bit.
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Imagine how much better both campaigns would be doing if CG hadn't decided to demonize Doug over his Earthworm Jim agreement. All because EDVS resented that CG (his advertising network/brand) was considered a controversial movement. There probably already is some overlap so I don't imagine it to be as simple as adding both backer counts together. But for all we know there are 1700 Backers of BFB that came on during the early CG days, then left CG during the split.
The behavior from this non-controversial movement? War Campaign gay ops, harassment campaigns against Anna for her being self-made instead of CG-made, WC policing fans and creators, stalking charges, fraud coins, failed campaigns like Cridious and Martina's, scam campaigns like Red Rooster, mailing obscene objects, calling christian beliefs hateful and chasing them out, siding with the rapists that wanted Chick-fil-a to halt donations to the Salvation Army.
And here I though Comics Gate was the reason BFB1 earned 196k.
What's being discounted is the Cash Grab artist is Donal Delay and everyone's right to do so. The guy's an anti-trump clown that was adopted into CG despite their "respect the customer" bullshit, and then had a tantrum and tanked the Brutus campaign, blaming everything on Nasser.
The behavior from this non-controversial movement? War Campaign gay ops, harassment campaigns against Anna for her being self-made instead of CG-made, WC policing fans and creators, stalking charges, fraud coins, failed campaigns like Cridious and Martina's, scam campaigns like Red Rooster, mailing obscene objects, calling christian beliefs hateful and chasing them out, siding with the rapists that wanted Chick-fil-a to halt donations to the Salvation Army.
And here I though Comics Gate was the reason BFB1 earned 196k.
What's being discounted is the Cash Grab artist is Donal Delay and everyone's right to do so. The guy's an anti-trump clown that was adopted into CG despite their "respect the customer" bullshit, and then had a tantrum and tanked the Brutus campaign, blaming everything on Nasser.
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Mister Dongs
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I think that's an embarrassment to everyone involved except Doug.
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I don't know, I don't give two fucks about the creators when I go to a book store to sift through the sections to buy a book. If your product is good on it's own, and I don't have to know shit about you, then I'll become interested in who you are, not the other way around. Relying on personalities to sell a product is often nothing but a hype train that usually ends up with you purchasing a product that was advertised to be better than it actually is.
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I respectfully disagree, the people choosing Cash Grab over BFB2 are clearly doing so for tribal reasons and Cecil's personality. Cash Grab would gain no traction outside of CG, its a comic book about a self inserted personality (Cecil) and a lot of the humor/writing will be inside baseball stuff that only fans of Cecil would understand. Compare that to Bigfoot Bill which honestly seems like it could end up a childrens morning cartoon show and has the potential for much wider general audience appeal.
Theres a fine line between salesman and con artists. Elizabeth Holmes was considered a great salesman while courting investors for her biotech company, but it ended up being the greatest scam in modern history. Buying products from people you like, rather than buy for the product itself is a great way to get burned.
Doug currently has around 1800 backers to Cecils 2100, Frog himself currently has 5500 backers on Rekt Planet. It can be reasonably speculated all these campaigns would be doing better if there wasn't such a divide between creators that forced some fans to pick sides. Doug was earning 6 figures on kickstarter while Ethan was still working at DC, clearly he brought some of his fans into CG with him.
The funny thing is I recently re-read this thread several weeks ago and the moment Doug left Comicsgate, Ethan was here on the Farms wishing him well. It was only after the SDCC panel that Ethan had a little pissy fit about not being thanked by Doug, despite the fact Billy Tucci was on the same panel and didn't mention Ethan either. I think it boiled down to Earthworm Jim being such a massive success without any help from Ethan or CG that caused Frog to get a bug up his arse.
Doug is currently around 300 backers shy of Cash Grab, but has already out earned it in dollar terms. There are still three days left to the campaign and the first and last days are usually when most backers make a move. Considering Cecil's Cash Grab has been in-demand for months now, there is very little chance of it climbing much higher, while Doug has indicated that BFB2 will go in-demand also until its ready to go to print. My point is, it looks like Doug is doing just fine being outside Comicsgate as he was inside of it.
I never really liked Donal Delay or trusted his motives when it came to CG. He knew exactly what would happen to him when he tweeted support of Zack to all his fellow pro's. He saw the dollar signs and made a tactical move for opportunities sake, which fundamentally there is nothing wrong with but he certainly didn't join CG because he believed in its principles. I am also biased as I've seen his work and I'm not fan of his art style, I backed Brutus for Nasser's writing but that all went tits up.
The book is bordering on Red Rooster levels of lateness now, guess I know why his called Donal Delay. I won't be backing anything by him in future, that included Vestige and Cash Grab.
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Good luck with that. If you honestly think Mitch is going to show up to answer for his scam I have a $25 pdf of a 2 year late comic book to sell you. There's no way he's going to answer you because he'd have to explain why Walmart bux were worth more than all of his backers money and why he fucked them all in the ass.
Mitch used comicsgate to launch his company and the second he signed on Walmarts dotted line you CG faggots were all dust in the wind to him. He knows what an untrustworthy fuck he is and your expose on his antics will most likely result in him punching himself in the nads and claiming you did it.
Interested to see where this goes though. Will Liam call Mitch out or try to excuse his shitty customer relations?
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@Smug Freiza to expand upon to your last post I feel I should mention, about 500 backers on the BFB2 campaign have bought the 1+2 pack (that’s the one without a leftover copy of EWJ). It would stand to reason those are either people Doug drew in through Earthworm Jim, or through his own means. He certainly didn’t need CG to do that.
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I ordered Bigfoot Bill 1, and honestly I wasn't that impressed. It was a bit of a kid's book. The art was okay, the writing was cringy. I read it once and said to myself "this is a beautiful looking book that I will only read once". And that was before he started to hilariously sperg about "Comicsgay". Back when he was a bit likable in a roguish way.
As for "going after", Doug is such a loathsome creature you need only read his "religious right" tweets and watch his videos to come to that conclusion. Why do you think Cecil's "Smugless" character rubbed him so raw? It's pretty much spot on.
The divide Doug created when he left CG of his own free will then started to burn every bridge he could on the way out? You act like it was an act of God. I'm sure if you asked EVS he'd tell you that he would have preferred having Doug "all in" for CG instead of blatantly using it to grift into the EWJ license.
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I tend to disagree. Doug is guilt of pretty much everything EVS is guilty of (bar a poor work ethic).
He tends to get away with it though, because he keeps his gay ops in private chat groups and his streams too boring and poorly attended for anybody to notice what he's up to. Occasionally he can't help but publicly congratulate himself though, like putting Thomas Roiloup up to buying Ribbitcoins (clearly Doug knows more about the collectables market then EVS does).
https://youtu.be/pInAichodOA?t=259 (timestamped at 4:18 )
Doug has his own little sped army of a-loggers like Roiloup and the Incel Brothers and the remnants of the Nerkish clan, who are no different to those Warcampaign fags, just a lot less 'flamboyant'.
He'll occasionally have Nerkish, Roiloup, Tim Lim, Nassar and a whole bunch of other autists on his streams as a reward for their good works. Why else would have still be associating with those losers?
He's such a passive aggressive, bitter little man. So is EVS but at least he a-logs Doug to his face. you can't help but notice Doug watching over his acolytes from the chat in the Incel brothers streams, with the rest of his hangers on (some of whom shit up this thread), as he applauds autism like their grand conspiracy theory about how 'The Mormon's are funding CG!'
I couldn't agree more. Some people seem to like rewriting history.
Doug was very aptly described as 'Hollywood Doug'.
He was the one that contacted EVS because he wanted to 'learn the ropes of his crowdfunding model. He shmoozed in and grifted the community and then couldn't get out fast enough the second he secured the rights to EWJ.
He leapt on the whole Handyman/Brad Ashworth controversy, which had nothing to do with him, just so he could declare himself finished with comicsgate from a smug moral high ground that allowed him to pretend that his staged exit was moral stance that didn't make him look like the piece of shit that he is. Then he goaded Mike into turning just to poke a stick in the eye of Ethan's 'Godless movement'.
He brushed off Comicsgate like I imagine he brushes off anybody that has served their utility to him and has nothing more to offer, but didn't have to be such an ingrate to the people that helped him and backed him as he walked away.
So fuck him.
Bigfoot Bill was an awful book BTW. I know, I bought it. It reeks of exactly what it was, a second rate, second hand idea that I liked much better when it was called Creature Tech. BFB was Doug's disposable training wheels to get to grips with Crowdfunding and prepare for EWJ and that's exactly how it reads.
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First I've heard of this. LOLsuits incoming? 
