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"I was recently accused of misconduct by a former romantic partner. Not recent misconduct. Misconduct which allegedly happened many years ago."

The fact he started off this whine with "CMON GUIZ! ITS BEEN LIKE YEARS SINCE I WAS SEXULLY ABUSIVE! STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS YALL!" makes me think the allegations are probably correct. I mean who the fuck thinks "even if it DID happen, it was ages ago so it doesnt matter" is a good way to make oneself look innocent!?
I’m sure he extended that courtesy to Kavanaugh, surely. Once he stops being a pussy and takes down protective mode, his twitter is going to be a goldmine of hypocritical statements (as long as he doesn’t DFE, that is).
Hmmm, it’s strange that men convinced all men are secretly sexual predators end up being sexual predators.

I wonder if it has to do with something about the only person whose thoughts they’ll ever know......

It’s kind of funny how many meltdowns in this thread (Waid,Zaid,REN, Erik) are so fucking obviously projection.

Golly gee Ren, it’s weird that you have a wildly, violently bigoted history, and you see that same behavior in our boi without any proof.
IMAX quality projection going on. These people are in the wrong industry.
 
Hmmm, it’s strange that men convinced all men are secretly sexual predators end up being sexual predators.

If a man says all men are sexual predators, you should at least take him seriously as regards himself.
 
This whole Border Town fiasco just keeps getting better:

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Esquivel's statement:

I was recently accused of misconduct by a former romantic partner. Not recent misconduct. Misconduct which allegedly happened many years ago. Out of respect for her and our prior relationship, I will not publicly name names.

I’ve taken a few days to respond, because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t talking over anyone. We’re in the midst of a very important cultural conversation right now. One I wholeheartedly believe in.

Never in my life did I expect that I would become one of the accused. I will not speculate as to her motivation for making these reckless allegations, but I want to make it clear that they are false. Though our relationship was unconventional, we always treated one another with dignity and respect.

I heavily encourage, and will fully cooperate in, any forthcoming independent investigation of these claims, which I am confident will show that I have been falsely accused.

I have been notified that DC Vertigo has canceled the book I was working on. My heart breaks for the book’s supporters, and my creative collaborators. They don’t deserve to be negatively affected by this unfortunate situation.


In other words, Eric only supports "Listen and Believe" when other men get #MeToo'd. When it's his turn to get his punishment for being a straight man, then he's all about the "Bitch is a Liar" defense. I'm sure that'll play well to his friends and audience.
Hahaha I love it when this shit happens. You talk shit about others and it all comes back to bite you in your ass and you lose your woke status, your woke comic, and all your friends. Get fucked asshole.

I think Andy Khouri is on suicide watch. DC Vertigo is in flames.
 
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It's not that bad (yet), you're just looking at the bottom rungs. Even if things were good I don't think anyone would want Kim & Kim. The lower tier Big Two comics usually have an extra digit on that stuff unless they're really bad like America who I believe sank under 10k.

I think Kim & Kim will one day become a valued and rare collectors item... once Mags finally gets nailed as the likely Serial Killer he so clearly appears to be. (“He’s building a Woman Suit!”)

Esquivel's statement:

I was recently accused of misconduct by a former romantic partner. Not recent misconduct. Misconduct which allegedly happened many years ago. Out of respect for her and our prior relationship, I will not publicly name names.

I’ve taken a few days to respond, because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t talking over anyone. We’re in the midst of a very important cultural conversation right now. One I wholeheartedly believe in.

Never in my life did I expect that I would become one of the accused. I will not speculate as to her motivation for making these reckless allegations, but I want to make it clear that they are false. Though our relationship was unconventional, we always treated one another with dignity and respect.

I heavily encourage, and will fully cooperate in, any forthcoming independent investigation of these claims, which I am confident will show that I have been falsely accused.

I have been notified that DC Vertigo has canceled the book I was working on. My heart breaks for the book’s supporters, and my creative collaborators. They don’t deserve to be negatively affected by this unfortunate situation.


In other words, Eric only supports "Listen and Believe" when other men get #MeToo'd. When it's his turn to get his punishment for being a straight man, then he's all about the "Bitch is a Liar" defense. I'm sure that'll play well to his friends and audience.

“Years Ago”? She reported you stalking and preying on underaged students at your “comic writing classes” this year!!!

Also your abusively controlled workplace subordinate is never your “Romantic Partner”. Not even when you let your Girlfriend watch.
 
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I noticed that the sales of current comics are down to sub 2K. Will they become rare collectors items someday?
If you mean the bottom rung of the November numbers, there is a huge amount of reprints. Mags is still near last place this month, once I’m not busy I will go through and see what is and isn’t a reprint.
Hahaha I love it when this shit happens. You talk shit about others and it all comes back to bite you in your ass and you lose your some status, your some comic, and all your friends. Get fucked asshole.

I think Andy Khouri is on suicide watch. DC Vertigo is in flames.
I honestly hope this drags Andy Khouri down with Eric a bit. Khouri is pretty much the guy pushing the rats fleeing from Marvel into DC.
 
If you mean the bottom rung of the November numbers, there is a huge amount of reprints. Mags is still near last place this month, once I’m not busy I will go through and see what is and isn’t a reprint.

I honestly hope this drags Andy Khouri down with Eric a bit. Khouri is pretty much the guy pushing the rats fleeing from Marvel into DC.
Has he made a statement? I haven’t seen or heard anything from him.

Also, just wait for Zoe’s sales figures.
 
Nope! It was Joe Quesada’s Magnum opus “NYX” which he thankfully abandoned unfinished after 4 issues. X-23 was a drugged up, self cutting, 13 year old Catholic School Girl dressed sex slave/hooker specializing in rough trade and those who had a kink for virgin school girls because she always healed. (You do the math.)

There be some really really fucked up people running Marvel.
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I was aware of the prostitution tidbit, I'm was reacting to the "she caters to guys who want virgins because he hymen re-heals" part actually being canon and not just some /co/mrade meme that still think hentai biology is real. After some digging, the only reference I can find of it is a couple of comicvine threads asking this question, but nothing that indicates that it's something specifically mentioned in the comic.

And for the record, there's nothing about school girl fetishes in the comic outside the cover either, so I'm not sure where you got that from.
 
While we and everybody else have been busy laughing at sex pests there has been another cover controversy, this time featuring Poison Ivy and #SavePoisonIvy. I'm guessing this is being pushed by those insane Poison Ivy x Harley Quinn tumblr shippers you guys informed me about. Also that last paragraph "It's totally not censorship guys, it's artist integrity" :story:https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/15/dc-responds-with-new-art-following-poison-ivy-controversy http://archive.fo/L0UGR
Heroes in Crisis / 14 Dec 2018 6:07 PM PST
DC Responds With New Art Following Poison Ivy Controversy
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The art will be used to promote Heroes in Crisis #7. By Joshua Yehl
A leaked, unfinalized cover for DC Comics’ Heroes in Crisis #7 by artist Clay Mann sparked controversy on social media Friday as upset fans used the hashtag #SavePoisonIvy to voice their criticisms of the art.
The image in question shows Batman villain Poison Ivy dead and bloody on the floor, a victim of the mystery murderer responsible for the mass superhero killing that incited the Heroes in Crisis story. While some fans are voicing their outrage that Poison Ivy is dead and are using the hashtag to ask creative team Mann and writer Tom King to spare her life, others are more upset with the sexual depiction of Poison Ivy’s dead body.

IGN spoke to a DC employee with knowledge of the situation, who said the art in question was an unfinished cover that was never given final editorial approval and was not intended to be made public. How the art leaked is currently being investigated by DC. A new version of that same art drawn by Mann was recolored to change the tone of the image to be more reflective of the contents of the comic and will be used to solicit Heroes in Crisis #7 to retailers in next week’s retailer catalog, although it’s marked as “Not Final Art,” meaning the final cover for that issue may wind up being completely different. You can view both versions of the art below.

Heroes in Crisis is a limited event series from King and Mann about the DC superhero community trying to solve the mystery of a mass superhero killing while also exploring the PTSD that comes with being a career crimefighter. Thus far the series has largely received praise from critics and fans alike for its sophisticated and serious handling of real-world issues, which further emphasizes why the leaked tone-deaf art is clashing with those who have enjoyed the series.
Starting with Issue #2, readers were alerted to the death of Poison Ivy as one of the victims, although many only now learned of her death thanks to the art making the rounds on social media, resulting in the #SavePoisonIvy hashtag. The hashtag then became the rallying point for criticism about the sexual rendering of Poison Ivy’s corpse.
Twitter user @steponmepeggy directed a complaint at King, saying, “depicting a queer, non-monogamous, feminist in a disgusting position like THIS is borderline necrophilia. Ivy is constantly treated like sex doll by many artists/writers anyway, and portraying even her DEATH like this is revolting.”
@TomKingTK really man? depicting a queer, non-monogamous, feminist in a disgusting position like THIS is borderline necrophilia. Ivy is constantly treated like sex doll by many artists/writers anyway, and portraying even her DEATH like this is revolting. #SavePoisonIvy pic.twitter.com/iuhvCxYC7B
— #SavePoisonIvy ➶ (@steponmepeggy) December 14, 2018

While user @aquadvddy appreciates where the creative team is coming from in a narrative sense, he reinforces that presenting Poison Ivy’s corpse in a sexualized pose is in bad taste, saying, “i get why you would kill poison ivy. i disagree with yoir reasons, but i understand why you're doing it and have my own theories in where you want to get with it. but did y'all really think depicting a dead woman like this was ok?”
@TomKingTK and @Clay_Mann_, i get why you would kill poison ivy. i disagree with yoir reasons, but i understand why you're doing it and have my own theories in where you want to get with it. but did y'all really think depicting a dead woman like this was ok? THREAD #SavePoisonIvy pic.twitter.com/lp1xXmIcfF
— lucas
User @aly_grift pointed out how dead male superheroes are given more dignified poses in comparison to Poison Ivy, sharing covers featuring the deaths of Captain America and Batman.
@TomKingTK really unimpressed with the sexualization of Poison Ivy’s dead body. This is essentially a pin up pose. I’ve attached a few samples of male superheroes dying for your reference @ivygirl851 @harleivy #SavePoisonIvy #dccomics pic.twitter.com/rG7boIA1u9
— Aly (@aly_grift) December 14, 2018

King tweeted a resolution to the cover controversy, saying, “An unfinished cover for Heroes in Crisis 7 was leaked prior to going through the standard DC approval process. I did not like the cover. I discussed the situation with DC editorial who agreed with my objections. This cover will not be used. Thank you.”
An unfinished cover for Heroes in Crisis 7 was leaked prior to going through the standard DC approval process.
I did not like the cover. I discussed the situation with DC editorial who agreed with my objections. This cover will not be used. Thank you.
— Tom King (@TomKingTK) December 14, 2018

This isn’t the first time a comic publisher has pulled a cover due to fan criticism. In 2014, Marvel Comics pulled Milo Manara’s Spider-Woman #1 variant cover after fans pointed out how it was overly sexualized. In 2015, DC pulled the Batgirl #41 variant cover after fans rallied against its image of the Joker tormenting Batgirl, conjuring uncomfortable imagery of The Killing Joke where the villain crippled Barbara Gordon and was implied to have sexually assaulted her.

Entertainment Weekly’s Joshua Rivera wrote an editorial on the Batgirl cover controversy, and what he said then is just as relevant now: “There are those that aren’t pleased with this decision, who think we’re seeing art being censored because it’s offensive. The claim of ‘censorship,’ however, is objectively false. The art was never suppressed. You can look at it all you want—in this article, even! The fact that the creators themselves were involved in the cover’s cancellation is further proof that this is a move for artistic integrity—the people making the book have a vision for it, and the cover did not match that vision.”
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This is the "problem" cover and its recolour which i think looks worse; just make it dark, remove the background and cover that female body up. The cover may change before it comes out.
 
While we and everybody else have been busy laughing at sex pests there has been another cover controversy, this time featuring Poison Ivy and #SavePoisonIvy. I'm guessing this is being pushed by those insane Poison Ivy x Harley Quinn tumblr shippers you guys informed me about. Also that last paragraph "It's totally not censorship guys, it's artist integrity" :story:https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/15/dc-responds-with-new-art-following-poison-ivy-controversy http://archive.fo/L0UGR
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This is the "problem" cover and its recolour which i think looks worse; just make it dark, remove the background and cover that female body up. The cover may change before it comes out.
You know, if the claim that this cover was still in the proposal process and not the one they were going with is true, then fair enough it’s their book. But I fucking hate how often the editors and writers throw the artist under the damn bus when it comes to controversies like this. They always tend to pull this “it wasn’t me, it was ___” shit and it just comes off as cowardly and disrespectful to their collaborators.

Plus it’s a cool cover, and the posing seems to be going more for a creepy dissonance rather than actual sexulization/necrophilia.
 
This article continues to forward the whole “Joker sexually assaulted/raped Barbara Gordon” thing, which has always been really questionable to me. I feel like these comic book journalists haven’t actually read the Killing Joke, just been told what was in it.
 
This article continues to forward the whole “Joker sexually assaulted/raped Barbara Gordon” thing, which has always been really questionable to me. I feel like these comic book journalists haven’t actually read the Killing Joke, just been told what was in it.

These fake journalists read comic books like games "journalists" play games.
 
This article continues to forward the whole “Joker sexually assaulted/raped Barbara Gordon” thing, which has always been really questionable to me. I feel like these comic book journalists haven’t actually read the Killing Joke, just been told what was in it.
They didn't; most of them were hired by failing or skinflint companies for chipotle coupons and exposure, and their only real experience with Marvel or DC is watching the movies in theater.

It really is telling that they see the hippy pinko "kill all humans" Ivy as hero material given the push she's gotten in that direction.
 
That sure is a lot of whining, maybe Zircher should go back to Marvel if he can't handle working at DC:
 
So DC basically has higher standards? I think we already knew that.
They did hire Robbi "the Butthole" Rodriguez, Zoey Quinn, Eric "That bitch is lying" Esquivel, G Willow Wilson, (((BENDIS))), Kelly Sue Deconnick and etc... within the last year, so I wouldn't say their standards are that high when it comes to hiring talent.
 
While we and everybody else have been busy laughing at sex pests there has been another cover controversy, this time featuring Poison Ivy and #SavePoisonIvy. I'm guessing this is being pushed by those insane Poison Ivy x Harley Quinn tumblr shippers you guys informed me about. Also that last paragraph "It's totally not censorship guys, it's artist integrity" :story:https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/12/15/dc-responds-with-new-art-following-poison-ivy-controversy http://archive.fo/L0UGR
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This is the "problem" cover and its recolour which i think looks worse; just make it dark, remove the background and cover that female body up. The cover may change before it comes out.
The S, the fucking S.
I can't believe we have not been mocking that these bastards like so much manga that they are ripping it off and doing it badly.
 
Gail Simone denies knowing who Esquivel was up until this story broke; old deleted Tweets going back years say otherwise

 
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These fake journalists read comic books like games "journalists" play games.

Yup, especially as a lot of them aren't really 'comics journalists' as they are 'pop culture journalists' who have watched the movies and maybe read 'Watchmen'.

Especially in mainstream media, actually reading the comics is looked down upon. How else could somewhere like Entertainment Weekly name America Chavez as the comic of the year last year if they'd actually read it, rather than just praising it for being so woke?
 
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