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Diamond's Publishing Numbers For June 2018 Note IDW Falling and Comics NOT Doing Well
Begging Celebrities Won't Help Save Comics, But LISTENING To The Fans Will #MoveTheNeedle
 
AnOminous said:
Arguably, the movie is an example of exactly what American SJW culture would do to Alan Moore, although ironically, current American comics would do it even worse. Alan Moore hated it (no surprise as he hates every single adaptation of his work) largely because it reflected a watered-down American liberalism, which he detests. It doesn't entirely eliminate any moral ambiguity in V, but it certainly underplays some of the true malevolence of the character and portrays him as a hero against the evil right wing, endorsing his ends-justifies-the-means tactics.

The book didn't do that.

Anyway, Moore is an example to compare the shit that is Marvel and DC to to put the lie to the nonsense that consumer dissatisfaction with shit content is because of some nonexistent wave of Nazism flooding over the landscape. Moore has consistently appealed to people of all political viewpoints, including those that probably completely disagree with his personal politics, which are oddball enough probably nobody shares them all.

However, his content has consistently been top-notch, and instead of relentlessly and mindlessly flogging some dumb political doctrine that isn't even his own (the SJW way is to conform mindlessly to the shared delusions du jour), he goes out of his way to portray even the villains as actual understandable characters, to the extent he even has villains at all.

Compare to nu-Marvel "right side of history" bullshit. To call the characterizations in this shit cartoonish is an insult to cartoons. Garfield has more moral ambiguity to it. Of course, to ideologues, ambiguity is itself evil.
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Probably one of the better examples of this is Neonomicon and Providence. Moore wrote Neonomicon having very little knowledge or interest in the works of H.P. Lovecraft (which it riffs off of); by his own admission,he mostly wrote it for tax money. But, and here's the important thing, he still tried to produce the best work he could, and he wrote a decent four-issue miniseries. A few years later, he actually got into Lovecraft, and decided he wanted to write his own take on the Cthulhu Mythos. So, before writing anything, he read all of Lovecraft's major stories, his poetry, and almost every notable volume of literary analysis of Lovecraft's works he could. Then he wrote Providence, and it was brilliant (kind of a "Lovecraft by way of Twin Peaks story", so you have to like both those things to start with).
I think the real problem a lot of comic writers have now is that the whole industry has become that; an industry. Everything (or at least everything major) is bland, paint-by-numbers tripe without any artistry or craftsmanship involved. None of Marvel's writers seem willing or able to put the kind of time and effort Moore puts into his work.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Everything (or at least everything major) is bland, paint-by-numbers tripe without any artistry or craftsmanship involved. None of Marvel's writers seem willing or able to put the kind of time and effort Moore puts into his work.
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Mostly agree except that's always been the case to some degree. People like Moore always managed to make the work they did with shitty big companies excellent despite that, though, even if many eventually parted ways with DC/Marvel.
 
Michele Perez is angry that bounding into comics doesn't just listen and believe, wants them silenced because they hold the wrong opinions
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/07/12/michelle-perez-wants-to-silence-us-it-wont-work/ http://archive.is/XfSUS

Tamra Bonvillain calls comicsgate followers trash http://archive.is/IlPxb
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/...mics-colorist-calls-customers-and-fans-trash/ http://archive.is/T2KaC

He also hates BiC
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https://twitter.com/TBonvillain/status/1017995658593292289 http://archive.is/uDYhm
Timmy shows up in the comments
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Of course he cant prove any of his claims, maybe they should use the same 'review PDFs' that his friend sammich boy does.
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Marc Lombardi - Trying to ensure that Donal Delay is kept in the pit for his abhorrent view that DnC isn't a mega Hitler, and comicsgate all hate teh gheyz and wimminz
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https://twitter.com/marclombardi/status/1017741503442178048 http://archive.is/Fe5Zp and http://archive.is/IlPxb
He's also got a bunch of self congratulatory posts on his twitter about how awesome he is for blocking people, i just wanted to highlight this one. I think he should be allowed to do whatever he likes on his own profile, however a problem occurs because he is 'known' to be the PR person for the shadowline brand and going around being a dick to fans doesn't reflect well on the company. Also he has almost 47K tweets compared to shadowlines 2.2k
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https://twitter.com/marclombardi/status/1017957226324156416http://archive.is/CvEpL

Patrick Zircher - Blocks Delay for his crime of working
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https://twitter.com/PatrickZircher/status/1018164185153318914 http://archive.is/6twAL

Ron Marz - Comics aren't collapsing at all. Interesting use of cropping there, just cut out the headline 'comics and graphic novels down 6.5% in 2017' (article in question https://icv2.com/articles/news/view/40845/comics-graphic-novel-sales-down-6-5-2017)
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https://twitter.com/ronmarz/status/1017825599564517376 http://archive.is/E8TDF

DnC talked about this article in the video @damian posted above if anyone was interested in issues pros had with companies and page rates they receive. There's some real choice responses in there such as
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http://www.creatorresource.com/page-rates-2017/ http://archive.is/2eWAi
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AnOminous said:
Garfield has more moral ambiguity to it. Of course, to ideologues, ambiguity is itself evil.
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John's room-mate Lyman just vanished one day, and John's mentality has gone downhill ever since then.

The strip is basically the tales on an Incel who murdered his more popular room-mate and has only his cat to talk to.

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Spiderman is dating MJ again apparently but considering the shit Dc and Marvel just pulled with weddings and relationships, I highly doubt they will stay together for long. But there will always be those chumps that suck up the to writers and keep buying comic books.

Also the amount of dick sucking to Tom King when Batman #50 dropped was disgusting.


It sucks really, I love Superheroes and all that shit But the amount of bullshit that gets put in comics and how writers are straight up rude to people is just turning me off to comics really.

Yes comics can be political but it takes a talented writer to weave and craft a good comic with political backdrop. Most comic book writers aren't Alan Moore or Grant Morrison. Just tell a good story.

Super girl should be fighting Zodd.

Not writing about Non-Binary genders.
 
Senior Lexmechanic said:
Probably one of the better examples of this is Neonomicon and Providence. Moore wrote Neonomicon having very little knowledge or interest in the works of H.P. Lovecraft (which it riffs off of); by his own admission,he mostly wrote it for tax money.
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Nothing dishonorable about that. Heinlein started writing to pay off debts incurred after a failed run for public office.

I'm a bit of an HPL fan, so I may have to check these out.
 
damian said:
Diamond's Publishing Numbers For June 2018 Note IDW Falling and Comics NOT Doing Well
https://youtube.com/watch?v=C4AxE_-bFsYBegging Celebrities Won't Help Save Comics, But LISTENING To The Fans Will #MoveTheNeedle
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4j9kQGXW0R0
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Maybe it's an issue with me but I never really understood celebrity endorsements and feel it's just a thing people do because it's a thing. I'm a young loser that reads comics and was raised in the internet era, why would I care about washed up TV actors and pretend like their word has any more value then a rando? It's like when the elections were going on and Hillary Clinton has basically every celebrity shilling for her in an attempt to win "the youth". I keep hearing names like Jay-Z and I have no fucking clue what that is or why I should care.

If I was a celebrity worshiper, which is extremely dumb IMO, then wouldn't I be doing that and buying tabloids instead of comics? It just makes the people looking for endorsement look even more out of touch.
 
>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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RockVolnutt said:
>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=17JQgYahfyc
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I don't care if you're a left-winger, a right-winger, a fascist, a communist, or a follower of the Church of Monday Night Football. If you're cutting out beloved relatives over politics, you're the one with the fucking problem.
 
Mola Ram said:
I don't care if you're a left-winger, a right-winger, a fascist, a communist, or a follower of the Church of Monday Night Football. If you're cutting out beloved relatives over politics, you're the one with the fucking problem.
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"THEY'RE PUTTING BABIES IN CAGES AND KILLING 80 BILLION TROONS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" and other autistic screeching.
 
RockVolnutt said:
Maybe it's an issue with me but I never really understood celebrity endorsements and feel it's just a thing people do because it's a thing. I'm a young loser that reads comics and was raised in the internet era, why would I care about washed up TV actors and pretend like their word has any more value then a rando? It's like when the elections were going on and Hillary Clinton has basically every celebrity shilling for her in an attempt to win "the youth". I keep hearing names like Jay-Z and I have no fucking clue what that is or why I should care.

If I was a celebrity worshiper, which is extremely dumb IMO, then wouldn't I be doing that and buying tabloids instead of comics? It just makes the people looking for endorsement look even more out of touch.
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I’ve never quite understood Celebrity Endorsements. They were a thing back in the Golden Age of Media, when the public was spoon fed everything, and had not yet grown jaded to paid shilling for shit. It’s one thing if a celebrity of some sort does in fact have a shared interest in something with some of the audience, and freely discusses such. There are a number of celeb comic nerds who like talking about comics on their off time. But Endorsements are pointless and just suck.
 
RockVolnutt said:
>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=17JQgYahfyc
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This is the pathetic shit the creator of Stray Toasters is reduced to? No wonder the most famous and respected artists are those who die at age 27.
 
Jub-Jub said:
DnC talked about this article in the video @damian posted above if anyone was interested in issues pros had with companies and page rates they receive. There's some real choice responses in there such as
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Outside of this list being mostly new "talent":
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It does have some hilarious takes like:
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Let's check wrote this piece:
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RockVolnutt said:
>tfw hating your own family over dumb political bullshit
That's really sad. You'd think this would be a sign they need to tone it down and they don't have much emotional maturity if they'd do that.
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I'm not surprised nor shocked, we're talking about people who posted on Thanksgiving that it's your duty to flip the table on your racist sexist nazi alt-right family members (AKA anyone who didn't vote for Hillary).

Whenever I check my alt account that follows "those" comic pros, it's like I'm looking into pre-school, the maturity level is on par with toddlers.
 
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damian said:
I'm not surprised nor shocked, we're talking about people who posted on Thanksgiving that it's your duty to flip the table on your racist sexist nazi alt-right family members (AKA anyone who didn't vote for Hillary).

Whenever I check my alt account that follows "those" comic pros, it's like I'm looking into pre-school, the maturity level is on par with toddlers.
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I'm not really sure how you'd go about it but there should really be some kinda rule about doing dumb political shit in public. I know the reactions already because it's always one of these two:

1. "BUT EVERYTHING IS THE WORST IT'S EVER BEEN AND KIDS ARE DYING" because they're idiots who bought into media narratives they claim to be above and not realize we live in one of the most peaceful periods of human history to ever exist. There's a place for politics and it's not here.

2. If they're the more "intellectual" type, it's the old "Everything is inherently political" line. If they do this, they need to be mocked into oblivion for using a factually incorrect statement even if you use a broad description of politics. A potato existing is not inherently political. Not the history of the potato, not who eats it, the potato itself. If they go "but everything humans do is tainted by human PoV" then it isn't an INHERENT quality if it only exists because you ascribe it.
 
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