Civvie 11 - Retro FPS Boomer

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Uberpenguin said:
Dudes like Sseth definitely read KF, I believe that's actually been confirmed and the man has the soul of a farmer through and through, but I seriously doubt someone like CV does. He doesn't really fit the type. I think he'd see it as beneath him.
It's clear just from his attitude that he's a bit of a lefty since there's still a slightly perceptible political correctness and desire not to offend to his behavior, but the fact is he has the self control to not shove it into his videos and the times he does say something about right wing figures they're mostly statements any sane person could agree with. Nothing wrong with being a lefty so long as someone is sane and reasonable about it.

I mean, if he does read here then good to have you Civs. You should have more cancer mouse, cancer mouse is great. Unless me bringing up cancer mouse will make you less likely to have cancer mouse; in that case pretend like I never said anything.
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Civvie probably won't ever read KF because we're UltraTurboMegaHitlerSatan in the circles he exists within. Most sane people don't like to admit they come here in any capacity that can be traced to them even if they don't think we're evil incarnate, and the crazies rarely acknowledge it if/when they come here to grab ammo for their own internet slapfights.
I doubt that he's as moderate as you think, but I do agree that he has a good amount self-control, especially considering that he didn't want to drag an entire Twatter storm-in-a-bottle into his video. That alone seems like a rare thing for a content creator to have these days.
 
The tired cat said:
Ya know, here's my actual question. Based on the leaked footage that we had of DNF 2001, does anyone think this game would have been this major hit as both 3DRealsm or the fans assume it would have if it came out on time?
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If it had been released in late 2001 and it had all these RPGlite:like features, spectacular set pieces for the time and other stuff we've seen it would have been a big hit. Most everything was still compared to Half-Life so DNF, with what we know now, could have kicked it in the teeth. It could have been to Half-Life what D3D was to Doom. If it worked the way they intended. If all of it came together. And if it came out. We know that didn't happen. But if...
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
If it had been released in late 2001 and it had all these RPGlite:like features, spectacular set pieces for the time and other stuff we've seen it would have been a big hit. Most everything was still compared to Half-Life so DNF, with what we know now, could have kicked it in the teeth. It could have been to Half-Life what D3D was to Doom. If it worked the way they intended. If all of it came together. And if it came out. We know that didn't happen. But if...
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I think had it come out even in 2002 or 2003 it would have been a big hit.
 
The tired cat said:
Based on the leaked footage that we had of DNF 2001, does anyone think this game would have been this major hit as both 3DRealsm or the fans assume it would have if it came out on time?
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No, not really. It's got some great bones in the leak, but a good game needs some good structuring to put all those great bones and great concepts together into something that would make for an entertaining experience.

If anything, the game would have enjoyed a moderate success due to the hype surrounding it at the time, but it probably wouldn't have become the massive gaming cornerstone and revolutionary design influence that, say, Half-Life 2 ended up being. If things had been different, I bet you anything that people would point to some of HL2's innovations and simply say something to the effect of "Look at that, Valve did what DNF did, but BETTER!"

Thus, it would become a niche reminder and one more swan song of the olden days of late 90s/early 2000s boomer shooters. Not much would change in the grand scheme of things other than old man Duke at least keeping some of his dignity.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
Just like people would have said "Look at that, 3DR did what HL did, but BETTER!" That's not a bad thing.
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I never said that was a bad thing? And people say that precisely because they have HL2 to use in hindsight as an example. I'm still convinced that HL2 would've stolen the show either way, with or without DNF 2001, and DNF would have only served as a footnote. How often have people like Civvie looked back at these other games and noted features that were innovated well before a "bigger" game popularized said features?

I just think people are letting themselves get carried away with the grandeur of the possibilities that the leaks present. Like I said, there's the CONCEPT of good things there. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd be put together and fleshed out in such a way that it would be some dramatic, groundbreaking innovation or even a staple of revolutionary game design. It would've been good, yes, but I'm also certain it would have been highly underrated.
 
Gravemind said:
No, not really. It's got some great bones in the leak, but a good game needs some good structuring to put all those great bones and great concepts together into something that would make for an entertaining experience.

If anything, the game would have enjoyed a moderate success due to the hype surrounding it at the time, but it probably wouldn't have become the massive gaming cornerstone and revolutionary design influence that, say, Half-Life 2 ended up being. If things had been different, I bet you anything that people would point to some of HL2's innovations and simply say something to the effect of "Look at that, Valve did what DNF did, but BETTER!"

Thus, it would become a niche reminder and one more swan song of the olden days of late 90s/early 2000s boomer shooters. Not much would change in the grand scheme of things other than old man Duke at least keeping some of his dignity.
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I was never much of a FPS guy, much less a Duke fan, but even a fond farewell to the series would have been a damn sight better than the kind of wet fart DNF ended up being. There are a lot of "maybe"s about if the '01 version could have made mad bank or been a modest enough success to keep 3D Realms going for a while, whether it would have been a mere footnote or a noteworthy influence, but being robbed of a dignified ending stings worst of all.
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
Unlikely, Kiwi Farms is the Voldemort level website. Twitter is usually not censored.
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If you look at A&N, we're past Voldemorty, we're Dolores Umbridge. And we earned it.
Power Glove said:
I think it would have been successful probably yeah. The Duke's name carried enough weight back then to not be overshadowed by anything else, and plenty of fans to put their money. I remember back in the day I was very excited for a new Duke Nukem game, but as time went on and it kept getting delayed I sort of stopped caring. I do hope that the Duke gets brought back in some capacity. If Warhammer 40k can get a boomer shooter coming, then they sure as hell can bring Duke Nukem back. Ion Fury showed that Build engine games can still be freaking amazing if competent people develop it.
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Or a PROPER Blood sequel...
 
BrunoMattei said:
It will never happen so long as Atari owns it. The only thing we can hope for is Atari finally goes bankrupt and sells the IP and hopefully not to the Chinese or the Quebecois.
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10 Cent owning Blood? WHY DON'T YOU JUST TROON CALEB OUT WHILE YOU'RE AT IT YOU SICKO!!
 
BrunoMattei said:
Emphasis on the words "HOPEFULLY NOT" but in my experience Tencent is better than Quebec game devs.
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Sorry, wasn't snapping at you, just...the thought was so depressing and I love Blood so much...
 
This guy sucks, I don't understand why he blew up. Pseudo-analytical bullshit of level design.

Gravemind said:
If anything, the game would have enjoyed a moderate success due to the hype surrounding it at the time, but it probably wouldn't have become the massive gaming cornerstone and revolutionary design influence that, say, Half-Life 2 ended up being.
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It wasn't that revolutionary, how many games followed the way Half-life 2 did its game design, compared to its competitor Doom 3? Not many...
 
Gravemind said:
I never said that was a bad thing? And people say that precisely because they have HL2 to use in hindsight as an example. I'm still convinced that HL2 would've stolen the show either way, with or without DNF 2001, and DNF would have only served as a footnote. How often have people like Civvie looked back at these other games and noted features that were innovated well before a "bigger" game popularized said features?

I just think people are letting themselves get carried away with the grandeur of the possibilities that the leaks present. Like I said, there's the CONCEPT of good things there. That doesn't necessarily mean they'd be put together and fleshed out in such a way that it would be some dramatic, groundbreaking innovation or even a staple of revolutionary game design. It would've been good, yes, but I'm also certain it would have been highly underrated.
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HL2 would still be years away. This is all based on 3DR actually having what it looked like they had and it included the features that the leak suggests they were planning.

Remember that Max Payne was shown at the same E3 with the "3D Realms presents" logo, if DNF was actually released and followed MP six months later it would have made the 3DR brand a powerhouse in my opinion. The Valve/3DR comparison becomes more interesting if you consider that 3DR had ideas about making a digital storefront(like Steam) to sell their game(just like Valve did with HL2) and then open it up to other developers(just like Valve did).

This is all a big What If scenario but if they handled things right we could have all been giving free money to another fat guy who refuses to release games.
 
Isn't another issue that what they were trying to do at the time would have melted computers of that era? I cannot recall or might be mixing up titles but from what I saw it looked like there might have been issues getting it to work properly on the average hardware available to people at the time.
 
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