Circle the Wagons

[Splendid]

I'd also avoid the "let's threaten to take them down! Derp derp derp!" bullshit. IIRC, that was originally the rule, and people have gotten pretty lax with that. (Not because I care about being nice, but because it's a stupid and possibly illegal idea.)

This really needs to be enforced a lot more. I know I'm going to start reporting it. KF isn't a place for trolling plans.

 

[Doc Cassidy]

We need to grow weed. A grow op is the solution to all of our problems.

 

[Captain Smollett]

I'm with Null, are you Kiwis?

 

[RK 091]

@Null , Would it be possible to leverage the community to help with this?

Most of the problems we have had seem to be due to whining to our web/server hosts, not due to hacking or other exploitation. Whilst it wouldn't help against take-downs of our payment providers, perhaps we could adopt an obfuscation/misdirection approach to prevent any more untimely evictions. Almost all of the whiners that have been responsible for our web hosting problems have not been very technically adept. They know enough to do a WHOIS and then complain to the company, plus perhaps creating a stink on social media.

Several trusted users here could use cheap, disposable VPS's to reverse proxy the site via a VPN to the real webserver. Use DNS Round Robin load balancing to distribute the load across all the reverse proxy servers. This allows low-spec VPS's to be used, allowing more members to participate. On a standalone VPS, run a script every 5 minutes to check the status of all the reverse proxies. If a reverse proxy has become non-responsive, or is returning bad data, then use the DNS provider's API to remove it from the round robin. If you're feeling fancy, use mitmproxy to prevent the real webserver ever sending its IP over HTTP(S) with a rewrite rule.

The risk is then spread over a much larger surface, and if we loose a reverse proxy, so what? It's automatically removed and the error recovered from. Spreading the load would allow members to use the el-cheapo £2.50 OVH VPS's, lowering the barriers for entry and allowing more users to help.

If you're worried about the trusted users being idiots and revealing the real server IP, then tunnel all traffic through a commercial VPN (PIA, IPVanish, etc). Establish a connection to the commercial VPN and then initiate another VPN session inside the original from the real web server to the reverse proxy. Thus, the only IP the reverse proxy knows is the IP of the commercial VPN endpoint, which is useless, as if they leak that, you can very easily change to another.

If you're worried about trusted users intercepting the traffic, then only allow SSL traffic through them and terminate at the real web server. Not sure on the best way to do this, I think proxypass will do it, but am still researching.

 

[Cthulu]

Not sure how other people feel about this but I could honestly care less where troons live or what their phone number is. If releasing current addresses (even if it's public information) throws them into a DMCA tizzy to the point we get taken down, I would rather not continue to rattle that particular hornet's nest. Of course, it stands to reason if we stop doing that they would just find something else to bitch about. However, looking at our usual list of suspects in the Cloudflare reports section, that seems to be the thing that sets them off the most.

Maybe if address/phone number stuff was kept on a non-public board or supporters board only that would help?

This has been discussed in another thread and it's not only part of our culture but it's helps with gathering info. It let's other kiwis dig on cows and provides more content. It also does make them chimp like Zinnia did today which adds more content.

 

[U. cinereoargenteus]

If we die, at least 'was the hill freedom of speech died on' will be an interesting twist in our obituary.

I'm hoping like hell we pull through, though. Like everybody is saying, there really just is no alternative to KF your reason for hanging here is the forum culture. Part of the reason people hate us - in their hearts. I've never seen anyone say it - is because they don't like shining evidence that every population demographic can come together and do something, largely peacefully, but only as long as that something is mean-spirited speculation and snickering about internet weirdos. A bunch of fuck ups can point and laugh at other fuck ups for literal years but world leaders can't last the length of a caucus and we all know how well the SJWs play together. That's a pretty accurate view of the species if you ask me but I can see how it rankles some people.
I mean, unlike those people, we usually don't get anything done, but at least we manage to keep half-decent records 'n shit, for a community composed mostly of people here for a lark.

 

[BOLDYSPICY!]

Again? My heart can't take this shit.

 

[BadaBadaBoom]

This has been discussed in another thread and it's not only part of our culture but it's helps with gathering info. It let's other kiwis dig on cows and provides more content. It also does make them chimp like Zinnia did today which adds more content.

I don't disagree with that, but when you say "other kiwis" I tend to believe it's a select few invested people and not the majority who come to this board to laugh at cows. That's why I think the info is good to have, but not at public disposal to the weens who will potentially abuse it and more importantly the cows who will be reporting this site for simply posting it. I suppose another option would be to have it up only on the lolcow wiki which gives this site more of a limited involvement since anonymous people can edit that.

 

[Dysnomia]

DO got rid of them due to the whole Dailystormer shit. They're being hit hard by reviews right now and not just from randoms, people who actually pay for their service such as it is since people get fucked over hard by them.

I actually heard Hatreon mentioned on a news program yesterday. So it's gaining traction in the media and people are going to know what it is thanks to Dailystormer.

Exactly this. Unless they post their address right on their own webpage or Twitter/Facebook, I'd leave it out of here. I'd also avoid the "let's threaten to take them down! Derp derp derp!" bullshit. IIRC, that was originally the rule, and people have gotten pretty lax with that. (Not because I care about being nice, but because it's a stupid and possibly illegal idea.)

I like this place, it's amusing, and I'd rather not see it go away. If being cautious can help (as long as it doesn't kill the fun, and I don't see it doing so here), so be it.

This is simply my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. Just trying to be pragmatic, that's all.

They REEEE about dox even if they posted their own publicly. but at least in that case you can point to where they doxxed themselves. I agree that it's just not a good idea to post it when it's not normally available to the public. It's too risky.

 

[Dollars2010]

@Null I say we take the autism wagon and move it somewhere else.

 

[Cthulu]

I don't disagree with that, but when you say "other kiwis" I tend to believe it's a select few invested people and not the majority who come to this board to laugh at cows. That's why I think the info is good to have, but not at public disposal to the fools who will potentially abuse it and more importantly the cows who will be reporting this site for simply posting it. I suppose another option would be to have it up only on the lolcow wiki which gives this site more of a limited involvement since anonymous people can edit that.

lol no. The select few are the ones providing the content you laugh at. They will RRRREEEEEEE anyway. It's not the dox. It's the spotlight we shine on their deviant behavior. They want to hide that and as long as KF is here they can't. We collect it all in one spot.

I actually heard Hatreon mentioned on a news program yesterday. So it's gaining traction in the media and people are going to know what it is thanks to Dailystormer.



They REEEE about dox even if they posted their own publicly. but at least in that case you can point to where they doxxed themselves. I agree that it's just not a good idea to post it when it's not normally available to the public. It's too risky.

What do you think we do here? You're not on tumbler.

 

[Dr.Research]

Every so often I worry that being a regular member on this forum is going to bite me in the ass but goddamn do I have fun.
For all the political differences I assume I have with @Null I respect you for doing what you do.

Cheers, man. And cheers to all Kiwis.

 

[Graffiti canvas]

It's the spotlight we shine on their deviant behavior.

Not entirely accurate.

It's the deviant behavior being discussed about by people they aren't targeting for the right attention that they have a problem with.

The spotlight is fine, so long as it's a spotlight they want.

 

[Mister Loser]

There's not really much I can do to support you, but I will say that you, @Null, are an hero to all of us. This is the last place I can willingly discuss things I like without people shutting me up. I sincerely thank you for your efforts, and hope to continue hearing your situation get better.

 

[Alex Krycek]

@Null I MIGHT know somebody in Viet Nam willing to help if it has to come to that. Mind you we'd have to absolutely avoid any mention of mockery of the government and mocking people like Ho Chi Minh or pro American rhetoric concerning the Vietnam War. But it is possible. I need to get in touch and see if they're okay with that. All I can really do.

 

[Marvin]

Not sure how other people feel about this but I could honestly care less where troons live or what their phone number is. If releasing current addresses (even if it's public information) throws them into a DMCA tizzy to the point we get taken down, I would rather not continue to rattle that particular hornet's nest. Of course, it stands to reason if we stop doing that they would just find something else to bitch about. However, looking at our usual list of suspects in the Cloudflare reports section, that seems to be the thing that sets them off the most.

Maybe if address/phone number stuff was kept on a non-public board or supporters board only that would help?

It's not the dox. Also capitulating defeats the point. If we don't have editorial independence, we're simply reddit.

If it's legal in the US, kiwifarms should be free to do it.

Have you noticed how there are a bunch of screencaps in the Russell Greer thread where all the names (including Russell's) are blacked out? That's because they're screencaps from reddit. Forget that noise.

@Null , Would it be possible to leverage the community to help with this?

Most of the problems we have had seem to be due to whining to our web/server hosts, not due to hacking or other exploitation. Whilst it wouldn't help against take-downs of our payment providers, perhaps we could adopt an obfuscation/misdirection approach to prevent any more untimely evictions. Almost all of the whiners that have been responsible for our web hosting problems have not been very technically adept. They know enough to do a WHOIS and then complain to the company, plus perhaps creating a stink on social media.

Several trusted users here could use cheap, disposable VPS's to reverse proxy the site via a VPN to the real webserver. Use DNS Round Robin load balancing to distribute the load across all the reverse proxy servers. This allows low-spec VPS's to be used, allowing more members to participate. On a standalone VPS, run a script every 5 minutes to check the status of all the reverse proxies. If a reverse proxy has become non-responsive, or is returning bad data, then use the DNS provider's API to remove it from the round robin. If you're feeling fancy, use mitmproxy to prevent the real webserver ever sending its IP over HTTP(S) with a rewrite rule.

The risk is then spread over a much larger surface, and if we loose a reverse proxy, so what? It's automatically removed and the error recovered from. Spreading the load would allow members to use the el-cheapo £2.50 OVH VPS's, lowering the barriers for entry and allowing more users to help.

If you're worried about the trusted users being idiots and revealing the real server IP, then tunnel all traffic through a commercial VPN (PIA, IPVanish, etc). Establish a connection to the commercial VPN and then initiate another VPN session inside the original from the real web server to the reverse proxy. Thus, the only IP the reverse proxy knows is the IP of the commercial VPN endpoint, which is useless, as if they leak that, you can very easily change to another.

If you're worried about trusted users intercepting the traffic, then only allow SSL traffic through them and terminate at the real web server. Not sure on the best way to do this, I think proxypass will do it, but am still researching.

If I remember correctly, null has said that's more or less what we do now.

At the end of the day, it really all just comes down to money.

What people need to do is just give money. And here's the key: not just one time donations, but pledge to give money each month. That's really the key feature patreon provides that other services don't.

If the goal is $2k/month, then 200 kiwis can give $10/month. Maybe cancel your netflix subscription and give to KF instead. KF and chill > netflix and chill.

For the tech-sperg ignorant of us, coinbase is pretty great for bitcoin. Register an account and set it up to buy, say, $10, $20 or $30 (or whatever you want to give) worth of bitcoin a month. As of right now, you still need to manually send it to @Null's account (the address is in the OP), but maybe someone can rectify that in the future.

 

[Puppet Pal Clem]

And I know soon come my time
For in mine void a pale horse burns
But I fear not the time I'm taken
Past the point of no return.
Wage war like no tomorrow
Cuz no hell there won't be one
For all who deny the struggle
The triumphant overcome​

The American tech world is collapsing to the demands of insane. These are terrible times to host a site like this, and we will remember them as the dark ages of the information era.

Record this information.

Our backup discord link: https://discord.gg/XjAPyDk
My email address: null@kiwifarms.net
My XMPP address: josh@i2p.rocks (not email)
My phone number: +1 (757) 932-5494
My virtual office:
Joshua Moon
913 Beal Pkwy NW
Suite A-1017
Fort Walton Beach, FL 32547

Kiwi Farms backup URLs:
(Iceland) kiwifarms dot is
(Onion, Tor) kiwifarms6izvjcw dot onion

My bitcoin address:
12aNwFE56xaGgLXmGiBgpTP8yjCR7btP5p


Our Own VPS Company
I am establishing my own VPS company. If you would like a VPS with me, get in touch. I am securing my own IP space and getting in touch with datacenters in the US. I am not giving up on my country; we should be able to host anything legal here freely.

If that doesn't work, I will move out of the country. I will physically pack up my devices and leave for the third world. You're all coming with.

Money-wise, I'm still working something out. Bitcoin remains the best option. See my instructions here. This site gets 2500 logins every single day, and over 80,000 unique visitors every week. If we somehow can't scrounge up 2000 dollars a month in donations, perhaps we don't deserve to exist. If you want to send cash some other way, PM me.

We will not be continuing on with Hatreon, at least not for the foreseeable future. It's not particularly their decision, nor does this reflect the content policies of Hatreon. It is a complicated problem but I understand it. Don't feel betrayed by them.


A History Lesson
I am furious. I was told, if I obey the law, I can speak my mind. I was told every American was. I was lied to.

In the 1920s, there was a publication called Social Justice by a Canadian-born American Roman Catholic priest named Charles Coughlin. A German sympathizer, he detested FDR's new deal and openly protested FDR's antagonistic attitude towards Germany. During the 1930s, his radio broadcast reached 30 million people. He was the first major radio broadcaster, the first Mark Levin or Alex Jones.

FDR, threatened by Coughlin's growing power and active protests to vote him out of office to avoid war with Germany, revoked Coughlin's broadcasting license in 1938. When Coughlin took to writing Social Justice again, FDR ordered the United States Postal Service to stop all mail to and from Coughlin. Father Coughlin's "freedom of speech" was restricted to as far as his voice could carry.

There was potential for this federal bullying to be protested in court, but it never got that far. The Japanese saw war with FDR's America as inevitable, and after Pearl Harbor and the subsequent declarations of war, any demand or potency of Coughlin's claims evaporated. This doesn't even touch on the Japanese internment camps.

This country is not as free as you would believe.


I don't want to host out of the Ukraine. I don't want to host out of Romania, or Taiwan, or Vietnam. Those countries wouldn't care about these tards and their complaints. Not because the Socialist Republic of Vietnam has better free speech laws, but because they just don't care. It may end up being a situation where we host out of Taiwan and just ask people to not talk about China on the site. A fair enough trade, yea?


This is my country and this is my final stand. No matter what happens, this site does not go down. If it came to a point where I was completely prevented from hosting it further, I would distribute copies of all the public-facing information we hold over torrents. No one involved in this attack against me and my people will ever get what they want. I will make sure of it.

That said: start using archive.is, start making local copies of dox and threads you like. Start preparing for the worst. I'm still in the process of establishing my Final Solution.

Inspiring and righteous (I'm a sucker for Death Grips).

I appreciate and agree with your philosophy on the freedom of information and expression and I wish you the best of luck.

Don't though forget to listen to the silence of the average man.
Don't play him for a weak or pitiable fool.
He knows both what freedom and the mud of a steel-toe boot tastes like, and if he's forgotten, will be soon reminded.
You can't sustain such hypocrisy in an educated populace for long.
All the times of the world seem bleak, and yet truly they were brighter than ever before, and still gave birth to yet brighter futures.

Be the wick or the wax and lend your soul to flame.

 

[ducktales4gameboy]

Aagh, this sucks. This is probably the only sane forum on the net just because of the threat of self-cannibalization if someone starts being undeniably exceptional. It's an even better incentive against shitposting than having an entry fee.

What people need to do is just give money. And here's the key: not just one time donations, but pledge to give money each month. That's really the key feature patreon provides that other services don't.

I'm broke as hell but I'd kick in 5$/month to keep KF running.

 

[Null]

At a price of 4.99 euros a month, not sure if you'd want a KVM machine though.

Right, but as I've said before, our actual infrastructure is not in Europe. Moving it off-shore will increase page load times by at least 2 seconds, but frequently more than 4. I don't know why a 200ms ping makes that much difference, but it's usually a combination of high latency and inferior hardware. Even for a reverse proxy, the shitty VPSs they provide in the Soviet Bloc is just shit.

I also just don't want to leave the US. Don't tread on me. I will if I have to but I don't want to

 

[Mr._Blonde]

I know I haven't been with you guys long, but you are by the far, the coolest, the most awesome, and the most batshit insane people I have the sick pleasure of honour of being with. I'm will Null. KIWI FOR LIVE, BITCHES!