Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Unpleasant]

Once Chris gets assigned a PD, the very first thing that person is going to do is start looking into what kind of plea deal they can get for Chris. No one wants a trial, (except MAYBE Chris since he’s incredibly stupid, delusional, and naive). My guess is that he never bonds out, or if he does, that he violates his bond conditions within a matter of weeks and is returned to CVRJ. That means he sits in CVRJ for up to a year or so while his case winds through the courts system. I think that the deal they’ll offer is a guilty plea to a single sex crime felony charge in exchange for time already served in CVRJ and a good number of years hanging over his head in the form of a suspended sentence, probation/monitoring/sex offender treatment, and lifetime RSO status. So it all ends up with Chris down for up to a year in CVRJ, then released on Probation, he violates within a year, and ends up having to serve his multi-year sentence in the Virginia State Prison system, unless he drops dead first.
The only other way I see this playing out is that Chris insists on pleading Not Guilty and insisting on going to trial. No one wants that. (except those who would want to witness the spectacle) Not the State, the County, the Judge, the Prosecutor, the PD, no one except maybe Chris because, again, he’s stupid, delusional, and naive. IF Chris insists on trial and rejects deal after deal after deal all the way up until the day the trial starts, then the trial will be a very short one, the DA’s Office will punish Chris for wasting their time by stacking every possible charge on top of him, and the judge will punish Chris for wasting the Court’s time by imposing the max sentence on him. In that case, Chris spends a year in CVRJ and then is transferred into the Virginia Prison System for the next few year and after that, if he isn’t dead, he’s released into Probation/RSO/etc., violates, gets sent back, rinse and repeat, until he dies. I don’t see this playing out any other way.

As a side note, in my past life as a parole officer, no case was as miserable as a Virginia case. Virginia gives huge suspended sentences but never activates them. One of my first interstate cases was a guy on for armed robbery. He was arrested for new crimes and absconding 8 times and returned to VA, serving 3 months at most each time. Understand that under the auspices of the Interstate Compact that governs state to state transfers, there are easily met mandatory criteria that mean a different state can send you the worst case on the planet and you can't reject it, and you will only have the authority over him the sending state gives you. In most states, absconding gets you the whole bid or close to it. A conviction beyond the tiniest misdemeanor or traffic offense tends to as well. He finally got a new charge for robbing a gas station and is locked up in my state still... presumably VA will activate his sentence when he gets out but I wouldn't be surprised if he gets extradited to VA and they slap him on the wrist and reinstate his supervision again.

Speaking to officers from other states at well, their experiences with VA were similarly horrible. Most other states were pretty uniformly easy to deal with- hey, I need this judgment modification. Hey, get your DA to sign this. Hey, we can't fulfill this condition under our laws, what do you want to sub for it? No problems with most places. But not VA. Part of it is probation and parole officers there are powerless- they're not really much like law enforcement like they are in many states. They cannot even issue their own warrants (a "capias", as VA likes to do everything fundamentally similarly but with different names) and they rely on local cops to serve their own warrants. But they're also completely fucking incompetent. I never found a state with officers and supervision that was so poorly managed, and even now it's not even a little rare to arrest or investigate some guy, charge him with something, and then find out his VA probation officer took out a violation on him... six months to a year after he was last seen and only after he got busted for a major crime.

In contrast I have generally had no complaints about the conduct or professionalism of most VA cops and state police (although VSP are serious road nazis and proud of it) and I think their jails and prisons, which I occasionally end up travelling to for work, are better run than most. But their probation and parole officers are damn useless... and it seems to be by design given their lack of authority.

Unless Chris commits a serious new crime on release, which is IMO really unlikely, they will push him through the system.

Changing subjects a tiny bit, the common evaluation used by many states and most Anglosphere countries to determine risk of recidivism for those charged with sex offenses is the Static-99.

Here is the quick and dirty scoring sheet. It isn't very complex although there is a little nuance in the classwork and books you use to do them.

(Are images blocked on this subforum? You can see the quick and dirty scoresheet here.

Chris would assess out as a "2" (assuming his past charges included an element of violence in the conviction, and diversionary sentencing agreements also count for the purposes of this scoring), which is in the low-moderate range. My coding guide tells me that generally speaking those who assess in his risk range have a rate of recidivism of 3-7% over a five year period.

Curiously, if he turns 40 before conviction, he drops down to a 1- with a 2.5-5% rate of recidivism over a five year period.

Personally, I think those are actually very likely to reoffend, but those are the rates for which they get caught or self-report anyway.

The static99 are important guidelines for determination of conditions at sentencing and often make or break ankle monitor terms. That said I doubt Chris will be on lifetime GPS, he might get one for house arrest or a curfew I guess.

 

[Alexander Hamilton]

<Chris' Super Interesting Relationship To The Truth>

How the FUCK do you approach that kind of thing in court?

You laugh and then bully them.

I'm not even really joking.

So the prosecution does its case in chief. We put in all our evidence. The defense will get to cross-examine our witnesses. They can do something called an impeachment if they can actually prove our witnesses our lying, but 'my client later told you he revoked the truth' isn't gonna cut it.

You can certainly ask something like "But isn't it true my client later told you he revoked his confession?" on cross. Whether that will do anything other than make your client look bad to the jury is a matter of trial strategy.

We could also choose to introduce those statements through our witnesses, to help make him look like an unreliable liar.

But the primary way this would come up in court is if Chris actually insisted on testifying. And explaining this nonsense. And then we get to cross-examine him and impeach him while his lawyer sits at the table contemplating suicide.

So yeah, laugh and then bully him really is the answer.

 

[AnOminous]

You can certainly ask something like "But isn't it true my client later told you he revoked his confession?" on cross. Whether that will do anything other than make your client look bad to the jury is a matter of trial strategy.

It's pretty common for criminal defendants who literally admitted to everything trying to revoke that. It's also pretty common for juries to go lol at that.

 

[MeganDodgedABullet]

I think there's a good chance. Partly because of the sex stuff...sex offenders are often restricted heavily in terms of internet use.

I was seeing a scenario like you sketched out - conviction for rape/incest and lengthy probation waiting for him to fail and be recalled to serve the full term. I reckon chimping out and being an ass on the internet (blaming the trolls etc) would be his most probable point of failure. The chances of him learning and becoming a productive person are not high IMHO.

Surely probation if given to those who can reasonably benefit from it? With a useless spazz like CWC it would be more logical to lock him up, but heh courts and joined up thinking...

 

[AnOminous]

Lmao he is literally going to female prison. Fuck this country, this dead gay country.

Trans YouTuber Chris Chan faces incest charges involving her mom

YouTube personality Christine Chandler, 39, known as Chris Chan, has been arrested in Virginia on an incent charge involving her 79-year-old mother, who allegedly has dementia.

www.dailymail.co.uk

And even the Daily Fail is using his bullshit pronouns. Chris is a MAN you fucking idiots.

 

[Unpleasant]

I was seeing a scenario like you sketched out - conviction for rape/incest and lengthy probation waiting for him to fail and be recalled to serve the full term. I reckon chimping out and being an ass on the internet (blaming the trolls etc) would be his most probable point of failure. The chances of him learning and becoming a productive person are not high IMHO.

Surely probation if given to those who can reasonably benefit from it? With a useless spazz like CWC it would be more logical to lock him up, but heh courts and joined up thinking...

Probation is often mandatory on sentencing grids for those who do not have enough record points to jump right to an active sentence, but that depends on the classification and any mitigation that may be introduced.

 

[MeganDodgedABullet]

In this instance it is unlikely that a civil action will occur, unless you count social services type courts to determine who will have power of attorney or a similar sort of conservatorship over Barb. There may end up being civil courts over the rent / mortgage if everyone is locked up or in a home. Chris's actions may have risen to the level of obtaining money by false pretense or theft, but he already had access to the account and presumably had for quite some time. At worst it's theft, at best it's very difficult to charge when the victim has allowed unfettered access to their accounts over time and this isn't new or emergent behavior. A charge of elderly abuse is more appropriate.

In my experience orders that one be unable to use the internet are more rare now than they used to be. In the mid 2000s / early 2010s it wasn't rare to see it for sex offenders as a condition of release or supervision. Now it has reached the point where the internet is such a daily necessity for most that they will argue undue hardship in being able to not access the internet. I have seen it meted out much more rarely now and generally only for those distributing cheese pizza or soliciting sex online. Generally a sex offender must register their online identities and accounts in their jurisdictions, and if found to be operating an unregistered account or creating a new persona online they can and will be prosecuted for a registry violation- a felony in and of itself. That said, VSP monitors the VA registries and my experience is they're slow, inefficient, and suck at it compared to other states. I have many times happened upon some dickhole from VA who had been gone from there for months or years and still had no active warrants from VA because they don't do their fucking checkups there. From past experience orders to avoid the internet or that placed considerable restrictions on internet use were rarer from VA than more competent states as well.

Trannyshit is still a shitshow in court. Everyone knows he's just a transtrender but they'll likely just toss him into solitary or similar due to his mental health, troonism, and being accused of a sex offense- all things that place him at high risk of violence by other inmates. Being in a segregated unit or even in the padded room is the best thing he can get. They may also have a mandatory covid quarantine for new arrivals in place as well.

The number of times can matter. If he's claiming to have done it 20 odd times, they could conceivably charge that. Proving it is another matter entirely, so it is unlikely to stick without the testimony of the victim, or physical evidence suggesting the multitude of rapes. While he could and likely will be charged with some form of rape in addition to the incest, i suspect that a mental health examination of barb may leave it possible that she is unable to knowingly consent, making all the events de facto rape. If I find videos or photographs taken over a period of time I will charge multiple offenses. If I can't determine that I will go with a singular event, or everything I can pile into that one (in addition to rape, you can get crimes against nature, indecent liberties charges, abuse of the elderly, etc, depending on what the charges are called in VA). Normally if you have a willing or competent victim you can go for multiple charges, but that might prove difficult here based on Barb.

The worst thing he could do period? Picking a fight with the biggest MS13 looking dude he can find. The worst thing generally speaking? Going to speak to the first detective that comes in when he's transported back to Greene county and telling them anything and everything without an attorney present. I doubt that would happen because his attorney would later look to determine his competency and then throw out whatever confessions he made, but Chris has already admitted to multiple incestuous acts, and presumably they believe them to be credible at this time. He could tell them about a load of other shit he's done, and let's be honest- anyone that sex possessed likely has had some pornography of questionable age ranges on his computer as well he could tell them about, or he might admit to all sorts of other deviant behaviors.

Bear in mind that if they have physical evidence of the crime and Chris bragging on the internet about it, he's honestly fucked. That's about as slam dunk as it gets. Defense attorneys know full well that not every case or even the vast majority is going to make it to trial, and it sure doesn't sound like this one has much to stand on. Sometime the game is already lost. At this point they'll play damage control- focus on Chris, how fucked up he is, and look for the mercy they can get. Remember that Chris is a moron who doesn't have leverage. He can't flip on his dealer like Jamal does to get a slightly better deal. Chris can accept restrictions and conditions in the hopes that they'll mitigate whatever sentences he may be facing, he doesn't have any real bargaining chips. Remember a defense attorney isn't there just to beat charges- they're also there to vigorously advocate for their client and to ensure that all proper rules and protocol are followed. Sometimes pleading guilty while introducing mitigating factors and engaging pretrial treatment and services is the best thing an offender can do.

Chris should sit tight, clam up, and he'll likely get a bond set when he arrives back in Greene county. Will it be something he can make? Who knows. His attorney can always argue later to have it reduced. He would have been in a better spot if he hadn't fled to Richmond, though. That makes it look like he was running, even if Chris didn't see it that way.

To be honest I'd be surprised if Chris's house didn't get broken into or vandalized over this. I'm sure his neighbors weren't big fans to begin with. Mix in some weenery with a rape? There could be a brick through a window and all the Sonichu goods stolen.

Eddy Gein's house burned down when he was in custody. He also avoided trial by being sidelined into the nuthouse.

 

[AnOminous]

Trannyshit is still a shitshow in court. Everyone knows he's just a transtrender but they'll likely just toss him into solitary or similar due to his mental health, troonism, and being accused of a sex offense- all things that place him at high risk of violence by other inmates.

Imagine a troon committing a sex offense. What a complete rarity.

 

[Unpleasant]

Imagine a troon committing a sex offense. What a complete rarity.

Careful not to point out any unpleasant facts about sexual predators overwhelmingly being the victims of gay molestation or being gay themselves. You might make redditors sad.

And yes, bisexual / pansexual sex fiends who will fuck anything are also fags.

 

[Fapcop]

If Barb says that Chris dindu nuffin, and if Barb is in her right mind, then we’ll know tomorrow. The EPO expires on that date, and if Barb’s all right then she’ll either return home or she’ll be charged with incest and booked into CVRJ right along with Chris.

Am I the only one who has a problem with this?

Let’s that Barb is a Grade A whore and deviant who literally forced poor Chris to diddle her cooch.

The law is the law, but ffs, prosecuting an 80 year old woman for being a disgusting pervert and consensual sex just seems like a massive waste of taxpayer money.

In my locale, people with severe bipolar/schizophrenia are given a *lot* of chances under these programs, and generally have to be willfully and consciously noncompliant to fail them and wind up in prison.

Ah, the good ol’ Teflon Tard card. Yeah, I think I’ve heard about that!

When it comes to Chris, what needs to be professionally determined is if he is capable of functioning as an adult on his own.

Chris has been through numerous of these before. In each case the result was the same: Yes he is!

Chris is lazy as fuck and likes to play pretend on Twitter, but he’s capable of functioning like an adult on his own. He just chooses not to.

Whether or not Chris needs a legal guardian requires an evaluation by psychologists and social workers. In my jurisdiction, you are afforded a chance to contest their findings in front of a half jury. I'm skeptical of an adult's ability to make decisions for themselves if they can be convinced that the characters from an anime game control reality. I'd also point to how off the rails shit's gotten since his dad died. I'd stress those are opinions - no one knows if Chris meets Va.'s requirements for this except for people that would evaluate him.

We’ve been over this numerous times. Chris has had evaluations, and no: He actually doesn’t “believe that characters from a video game control reality”.

If he did, you can be sure he’d pull of stuff way crazier and dumber than what he usually does.

As for as Chris’s ability to make decisions for himself, he’s certainly capable of it. Unfortunately it’s usually really dumb decisions.

He belongs in a structured living environment with little to no access to the internet. How he gets there is irrelevant at this point. Chris is never going to have a normal life.

Nope. Chris isn’t getting institutionalized, no matter how many times Twitter faggots argue that “He thinks he’s a god!”

(Protip: Chris knows he’s not a god. He just likes to play make believe.)

The “structured living environment” Chris deserves is pulling weeds or turnips or whatever 8 hours a day with @AnOminous cracking a whip over his head anytime he stops to complain he’s not allowed to play with Legos instead.

Chris is fully capable of living like an independent adult (especially if he gets a support team not willing to put up with BS for a transition period.)

Chris jusy chooses not to be an adult, which is a different thing entirely.

 

[AnOminous]

Careful not to point out any unpleasant facts about sexual predators overwhelmingly being the victims of gay molestation or being gay themselves. You might make redditors sad.

Let me think about that a bit. Making redditors sad? There's something wrong with that?

 

[Lancelout]

Am I the only one who has a problem with this?

Let’s that Barb is a Grade A whore and deviant who literally forced poor Chris to diddle her cooch.

The law is the law, but ffs, prosecuting an 80 year old woman for being a disgusting pervert and consensual sex just seems like a massive waste of taxpayer money.



Ah, the good ol’ Teflon Tard card. Yeah, I think I’ve heard about that!


Chris has been through numerous of these before. In each case the result was the same: Yes he is!

Chris is lazy as fuck and likes to play pretend on Twitter, but he’s capable of functioning like an adult on his own. He just chooses not to.



We’ve been over this numerous times. Chris has had evaluations, and no: He actually doesn’t “believe that characters from a video game control reality”.

If he did, you can be sure he’d pull of stuff way crazier and dumber than what he usually does.

As for as Chris’s ability to make decisions for himself, he’s certainly capable of it. Unfortunately it’s usually really dumb decisions.

I dont think chris has had an evaluation since the idea guys saga. Chris seems far more unhinged now that 5 or 10 years ago

 

[AnOminous]

Ah, the good ol’ Teflon Tard card. Yeah, I think I’ve heard about that!

I hope he plays it again. Imagine the sheer rage.

 

[Fapcop]

Careful not to point out any unpleasant facts about sexual predators overwhelmingly being the victims of gay molestation or being gay themselves. You might make redditors sad.

And yes, bisexual / pansexual sex fiends who will fuck anything are also fags.

Dirty little secret of the LGBTQ community, particularly the gay men: There’s a long tradition of young gay teenagers being “introduced” to the gay lifestyle by much older men.

Just ask any homosexual, it’s just not something they don’t particularly like to discuss with outsiders because of Current Year and the old association of gay men with pedophiles.

 

[MeganDodgedABullet]

With the cwciki fucked I can't remember off the top of my head. In Chris' previous legal adventures (Snyder and Gamestop), he and Barb took plea deals at the advise of counsel, right? I wonder how much of that was Barb.

Chris was arguing that Michael Snyder is a thieving liar, even as he was being sentenced. Us laymen on the sidelines can see that taking the deal is the right move, but can Chris? Whatever PD he gets is going to try to encourage him as best as he is able, but part of me wonders if Chris is just too delusional to heed that advice.

There's a non zero chance that counsel will not be able to get Chris to shut his retarded yap take the advice of counsel.

It's a question of whether his arrogance or pussy-assed nature wins out - I would love him to insist on a trial/testifying , if only to see the phrase "trolliferous mis-labellings" in the court record...

 

[Fapcop]

I hope he plays it again. Imagine the sheer rage.

Which is why I choose to see this particularly nasty saga as sort of a lulz buffet.

Chris does hard time: We get funny Court footage and probably butthurt trannies.

Chris plays the Teflon Tard card and escapes any punishment? We get the above PLUS redditors, Twitter fags and half of KF going absolutely apoplectic with rage.

@Null might want to preemptively set up some sort of bank account for donations for flowers delivered to the hospital for longtime members who rage themselves into a stroke.

 

[I am the Muffin Maker]

I really hope VA isn't progressive enough to put him in the women's jail/prison. I know he would probably get the beat down from most of them, but just the thought of him thinking he is in the merge because now he is surrounded by women in close quarters. I don't think he would be able to keep his dick or his hands to himself. It's sickening

That's where he's being held. Seems dubious - to put a man with a "working" penis with other, mostly vulnerable women. But it's 2021.

First time poster, please be kind etc. etc., thread was well-written and interesting enough that I had to make an account because I have a question concerning an angle I haven’t seen addressed yet. It skews a little philosophical and I’m curious to know what (if any) impact it would have on the legal proceedings, both for the prosecution and for the defense.

I’ve been following this shitshow for over a decade and something that always struck me about our autistic hero is that he has, to put it extremely delicately, a colorful relationship with the truth. Way before the Merge, way before the tomgirl shit, and even absent the fact that he's a compulsive liar with a massive ego he'll say anything to protect, there is something deeply and inherently flawed with his understanding of both what truth is and how it works. The best example I can remember off the top of my head is on the Chris and Autism page of the cwcki, which I screencapped to save everyone the trouble of trying to get the page to load [highlighting mine]:

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I don’t know how else to explain this, except that it reads to me as though Chris views “truth” as a relational property similar to “consent”: specifically, that it can be granted or revoked. To use the example cited above, Chris sends Clyde a video of him smashing up his PS3. This video has the property “truth,” because Chris has bestowed that property on it (in his divine benevolence, of course). However, this property is conditional: the video is “true” only so long as Clyde does not show it to anyone else. If Clyde breaks this condition, then the video- in Chris’s mind- loses the property of “truth” and is no longer True or Honest™. As I said, this is the only example I can cite off the top of my head at the moment but I am absolutely certain this isn’t the only time he’s demonstrated this particular understanding of what truth fundamentally is and how it interacts with reality.

I bring this all up because I cannot help but think the exact same thing is going to happen with the texts and calls. Assuming for the sake of argument that all this evidence is completely genuine, I see it like this: Chris sends a bunch of graphic texts about getting his fingers chalked up on Barb’s dusty crumbling bits, but does so “On the Strictly Confidential just between you and I.” The recipient leaks them, Chris revokes his consent to have them read endorsement of truth, ergo the messages are not true anymore. Chris messages a confession to Dillin, but tells him not to screencap or share it. Dillin does both, Chris acts like it’s some kind of test that Dillin’s failed, revokes the property of “truth,” thus the confession is no longer true. I didn’t listen to the uncut version of the Bella call because if I had to sit through 10+ minutes of Chris describing how he plowed his meemaw’s barren crotchfruit fields I’d follow it up with a nap on a railroad track, but I’d be willing to bet the exact same thing applied: at some point he’d have given some indication that the details of this call were STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL, and thus, if leaked, they would cease to be true.

Now while I absolutely agree that there is a 100% chance that Chris would, with or without provocation/being asked directly, spew verbal diarrhea at (and utterly incriminate himself to) the first person who walks into a room with him, I have to wonder. If an investigator gets that subpoena for the digital records etc. and says to him “Look at these texts, that you sent, from your phone, confessing to this thing we are asking about,” given this past behavior I feel very confidently that Chris would say “those are not true.” He might not deny having sent the messages/made the calls, but would absolutely, without a shadow of a doubt in my mind, deny that the content of those messages/calls was in any way true: this, not because the deeds did not occur (which he may well end up incriminating himself on anyway and/or evidence may be discovered that corroborates the allegations), but because the property of truth was conditional and he has revoked it. And if he absolutely insists that the evidence is untrue, and then comes to the conclusion that any charges stemming from these pieces of evidence must be unjust by the virtue OF being based on something untrue, I don’t see it being entirely unlikely that he’d refuse a plea bargain and insist on a trial.

How the FUCK do you approach that kind of thing in court?

I'm not sure I understand your point. Chris doesn't have to authenticate these things 1) VA is a single party consent state, so as long as the OTHER party agreed to record the conversation, that doesn't run afoul of anything and 2) Chris doesn't have to authenticate his text messages the people who received them can attempt to (I say attempt because every jurisdiction has their own rules for texts and I don't know VA. )

 

[King Kiwi]

That's where he's being held. Seems dubious - to put a man with a "working" penis with other, mostly vulnerable women. But it's 2021.

Hm. so I guess it's more important to put Chris somewhere there reaffirms his gender identity or whatever then it is to protect women from a sexual predator...

Something wrong with that but I can't quite say

 

[I am the Muffin Maker]

Hm. so I guess it's more important to put Chris somewhere there reaffirms his gender identity or whatever then it is to protect women from a sexual predator...

Something wrong with that but I can't quite say

Given the sheer number of women in prison who have been sexually abused, it's pretty horrific to me.

Thisneverhappens™

 

[break these cuffs]

That's where he's being held. Seems dubious - to put a man with a "working" penis with other, mostly vulnerable women. But it's 2021.

Has that been actually confirmed anywhere? Whoever processed his arrest likely put F because that's on his license. The sheriff's press release referred to him as a 'he'. David Muscato was initially input as a female in his arrest report until it he was examined by an officer. I didn't see an inmate lookup for CVRJ when I looked and VINElink is how we know about the transfer. I don't believe there is any evidence that Chris is being held with women beyond the F on the arrest report, but there are a lot of threads going on.