Children Are Not Property - The idea that underlies the right-wing campaign for “parents’ rights.

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By Sarah Jones, senior writer for Intelligencer

“Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it,” the Book of Proverbs says. To certain right-wing Christians, the concept is simple: A child can be broken, or stamped into shape, much like any domesticated animal. Though all parents hope they’ll pass their values onto their children, for some that hope is more of a mandate. My own parents believe that Proverbs is the word of God, and they believed, too, that a righteous upbringing would produce an adult in their image. Who can blame them? The idea that a child should replicate her parents does not belong only to conservative Christianity or to religion at all. A proverb is common wisdom, and lately this one is hard to escape. Authoritarianism is gospel to modern conservatives. Nowhere is that clearer than in their assaults on children.

The “parental rights” movement is not new, but it is enjoying a resurgence. Adherents say they’re protecting children from harm, broadly defined. After an art teacher at a Florida charter school showed students a picture of Michelangelo’s David, parental complaints forced out the principal. Members of Moms for Liberty call for book bans across the country; books with LGBT content are at special risk of removal. The architects of state bans on gender-affirming care for minors say, falsely, that children are at risk from predatory physicians and activists. A “gender cult” destroys families, claimed conservative commentator Matt Walsh. “The child they held as a baby and raised and gave their lives to and loved and still love becomes, suddenly, unrecognizable,” he said. “I would rather be dead than have that happen to my kids.” The real sin isn’t that trans youth will suffer but that the parental grip might loosen.
Conservative interest in the child extends beyond a traditional hostility to LGBT people. In March, Arkansas governor Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a Republican, signed a bill into law that makes it easier for companies to hire children under 16 years old. More states may follow, as Terri Gerstein, the director of the Harvard Law School Labor and Worklife Program’s State and Local Enforcement Project, pointed out in the New York Times. Bills that would allow “14- and 15-year-olds to work in meatpacking plants and other dangerous jobs in Iowa as part of training programs and 16- and 17-year-olds to take jobs at construction sites in Minnesota are under consideration,” Gerstein wrote, noting that the bills coincide with a rise in dangerous child-labor violations. Not long after Republicans sought to put more children to work in Arkansas, Republicans in North Dakota killed a bill that would have expanded a free-lunch program for children from low-income families. “I can understand kids going hungry, but is that really the problem of the school district? Is that the problem of the state of North Dakota? It’s really a problem of parents being negligent with their kids,” said State Senator Mike Wobbema. His message was clear enough. A hungry child is not a collective responsibility but a private failing on the part of the parents.


It’s possible to draw a line between Wobbema’s remarks, the push for child labor, and the right’s attacks on trans children. In each case, conservatives betray a conviction that a child is the property of parents. Because parents own their children, they can dispose of the child as they see fit. They can deny them evidence-based medical care. They can put a child to work. They can make sure a child is sheltered from the dangers of a serious education. When a child goes hungry, that’s because a parent isn’t caring for their property — and what a person does with their property is their right.

Like any piece of property, a child has value to conservative activists. They are key to a future the conservative wants to win. Parental rights are merely one path to the total capture of state power and the imposition of an authoritarian hierarchy on us all. So it’s no surprise that children have long been a fixation to the right wing. The late Christian reconstructionist R.J. Rushdoony was a prominent advocate of Christian homeschooling in the 1960s through the 1980s. To Rushdoony, all education was religious, as Dr. Clint Heacock observed in a 2021 piece for Public Eye magazine. So-called government schools are churches in their own right, Rushdoony believed, indoctrinating students in the religion of secular humanism. He thought parents ought to be solely responsible for the care and education of their children instead of relinquishing them to an anti-Christian state. That fear of state influence, and belief in total parental control, isn’t limited to Rushdoony. At Salon, the journalist Kathryn Joyce reported that Michael Farris — a Trump ally who is the former president of the Alliance Defending Freedom and the founder of the Homeschool Legal Defense Association — launched a parental rights nonprofit in the late aughts that sought to amend the Constitution to read, “The liberty of parents to direct the upbringing, education, and care of their children is a fundamental right.” Farris also objected, strenuously, to the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, which the U.S. still hasn’t ratified. In his mind, the treaty threatened the parent’s right to homeschool and to use corporal punishment. No intermediary may come between parents and their property.

Taken to extremes, the concept of parental rights can be dangerous and even deadly for children. Proponents, like Farris and Rushdoony before him, ignore the basic fact that the home is often no refuge but a place of domination and abuse. The National Children’s Alliance says that over 600,000 children were documented victims of abuse and neglect in 2020. In 77 percent of substantiated cases, a parent committed the abuse. The language of parental rights can become a license to torture, as it did in the case of 13-year-old Hana Grace-Rose Williams. In 2011, officials found her “face down, naked and emaciated in the backyard,” the New York Times reported. An investigation later reported malnutrition and hypothermia as her causes of death. Her adoptive parents, Larry and Carri Williams, were reportedly followers of Michael and Debi Pearl and their book, To Train Up a Child. The book, named for that verse in Proverbs, urges corporal punishment with a switch and says that “a little fasting is good training.” By the time of the Times report, three children, including Williams, had died in homes with the Pearls’ book on the shelves. The Williams parents are now serving decades in prison for the girl’s murder.

State laws passed by conservative Republicans have made LGBTQ children in particular more vulnerable to abuse at home by practically requiring schools to out them to their parents. The denial of gender-affirming care is another act of violence. Far-right activists invent tales of wanton surgeries on minors and irreversible hormonal treatments. In doing so, they obscure the high suicide rate among LGBT youth who need gender-affirming care as a matter of life or death. Children who work may be exposed to adult dangers, like workplace injury or sexual harassment. In the home and at school, children must also fear gun violence in the name of the Second Amendment. Adults who encourage the proliferation of guns do so knowing well that children will die. In their hierarchy, the adult right to a gun is worth more than the child‘s right to live. Reduced to the level of a collectible or a beloved pet, the child is not a person to the right.

Only the unborn are spared the right’s cruelty. Conservatives claim personhood for the fetus, who cannot disobey and requires nothing but a womb. The fetus is more valuable than the child because the fetus is a means to an end: the subjugation of women. Once born, a child’s value depreciates. The parental right to “train” the child takes precedence over the child’s basic rights. There are ways to circumvent a child’s established right to an education, as conservatives know. Homeschooling laws are so lax in the U.S. that thousands of children have essentially disappeared into an academic void. Even if a child goes to public school, chronic underfunding deprives many children, especially in poor areas, of a sound education. In much of the country, trans youth aren’t treated like people with medical needs but political targets. This is ownership, and the U.S. rarely interferes. There is one exception to the right’s belief in absolute parental rule: trans-affirming parents. A defiant parent is a threat to the right. They’ve stepped out of place and must be subdued.

In this perspective, rights aren’t innate. They’re determined instead by a person’s place in the conservative hierarchy. The opposite view — that everyone has rights by virtue of their humanity — requires us to change the way we commonly think of children. Liberals aren’t immune to the belief that children are property. The mainstream fearmongering over trans youth tells us that much. Yet combating the power of the parental rights movement requires an answering conviction in the rights of children. We can see them as people: uniquely vulnerable, yes, but nevertheless people who have independent minds and will develop private lives of their own.

There is no way to control a child forever. My parents learned that much. I hid books from them and discovered different ways of thinking through literature and furtive online searching. In relatively short order, I became an atheist and a socialist, a fate so dire that a former trustee at my Evangelical college told me he hoped my parents died before they knew the truth. (They did not share his sentiment.) If my example means anything, it’s this: Children are not dogs to train but adults in formation. They will learn, someday soon, that the future belongs to them. What they do with that knowledge matters to everyone. Children aren’t private property, then, but a public responsibility. To expand our democratic project to children is to grant them the security the right seeks to deny them: education, health care, shelter, food. A better America begins with the child.
 
Well the Obama administration certainly treated them as property. To be bombed.
Sarah Jones is a true believer. Virtually everything she writes is lefty bullshit that has a tenuous connection to reality.
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There definitely is a conservative issue with very socially conservative parents failing to recognize the individuality and autonomy of their kids, but the role of the state is to help parents and only take control when things get abusive. Drama over pronouns is probably not a good line.
 
Forever alone cat lady has thoughts about children
 
They're not property, except when you want to kill them because you're not finished whoring yourself out for Hollywood roles, or when you need to troon them out for backpats.

When the kids today are teens they are going to decide the world sucks and look to who’s in charge. If it’s liberals they will say “fuck you” and go the opposite route. Shit has been going on since the Dawn of civilization
No, it hasn't.

Social dynamics don't operate in a two-dimensional space. They don't operate in some generic conservative-liberal binary. We're not going to get a server rollback to a past recovery image, even if the current generation of kids are disillusioned with the social paradigms of today-- that's not how that works.

I have absolutely no idea why people keep clinging to this bullshit pendulum theory, no matter how much it's criticized, and no matter how little idea they have for what they even want to see.

"The kids will go the opposite route"? As in, they'll start willingly going to church, either to earnestly seek God or otherwise participate in a community ritual? Men and women will jointly agree to synergize instead of maintaining a low-level war with each other as they deny their mutual need of the other? They'll start prioritizing family making and community care instead of extolling the vacuous tenets of whoredom and entrusting the provision of their underprivileged entirely to the government, if only as a matter of "that's what's expected of me"? They'll get visibly squeamish about killing kids again? They'll make a community effort to strangle at least public displays of sexual degeneracy instead of neuralinking it straight into kids' heads before they turn 10? Will they make any effort to kill their porn addictions instead of being sabotaged by people who have a monetary interest in their mind-slavery, their efforts being reduced to orgasm denial memes? The list goes on, in part because it's actually about paradigms. Goals. Mindsets.

What
are you envisioning? And do you understand that it takes effort to maintain any of those things, much less anything more constructive than what we currently have? We're in a "broken vase" state, and you're necessarily suggesting that these kids-- who've known nothing more than the antithesis of everything I mentioned-- are going to start putting the effort to reconstruct the vase just because they're dissatisfied with the fact that it's broken, and they're going to manage to create a vase at all. They're not automatically going to go in a constructive direction because they hate the current one.

I think that the people who keep going on about anything related to this "pendulum theory" nonsense are firstly only interested in excising the very current state of liberalism, and secondly only think of "states" of society as if they're discrete and ultimately unrelated to each other-- instead of altogether being on a continuum and intimately linked by past causes.

All of this to say: with no real effort to institute a specific paradigm to challenge the existing ones, the way things are going, the best you can expect from the current generation of kids is Nazi furries attending a Tridentine mass so they can brag to their friends about how "trad" they are.
 
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I can't quote @zerodaydefense but the pendulum theory is just a simplified way to describe social trends that have been pretty consistent observed since the 1700's. I'm not going to go back further than early modern period because the recorded keeping being spotty and credible sources harder to come by. The Grass is greener theory also works.

Right now you have young people who are yearning for some idealized 1950's patriarchal society, the one entire generations of the 60's and 70's who grew up in it did their utmost to upend and change because they felt it miserable and conformist. Whatever the status quo is you will have a new generation wanting to do the opposite or questioning the fundamentals of current society's thinking. In the 1930's America was close to going commie thanks to the economic depression and miserable working conditions, by 1950's America you had McCarthy holding witch hunts for commies who were evil incarnate, by 1970 you had college students carrying around Mao's little red book.

In 1999 people who supported gay marriage, were atheists or wanted weed legalized were seen as extremists or rebels. By 2016 those same views made you part of the general establishment and suddenly being against gay marriage, questioning drug legalization and being Christian made you an extremist.

I don't buy into your hysterical broken vase concept. My idea of a broken vase is going back to a bartering economy, general illiteracy, starvation being commonplace and no public record keeping. Last Sunday millions of American kids woke up to easter baskets and then went to church instead of gay furry orgies. Your post sounds incredibly similar to how the WW2 generation described the social upheaval and trends of the late 1960's. Shifting social paradigms and trends isn't the end of civilizations it's the continuation of it. Change is the only constant. But you'll never accept this because you've taken the extreme Chicken Little view of the world, the sky is falling and I'll never convince you otherwise.

I mean maybe this time the sky really is falling, this also has to eventually happen if you think history repeats, but you've had people proclaiming the fall of western/Christian civilization since it's inception. I personally don't think everything is broken and ruined. Indoctrination only works on so many and for so long. Living by example has a track record of long term success. Institutions, such as churches, will survive for the same reason they were created - to help and serve its members. If they are destroyed it's from the rot within, not from outside forces.

Millions of American went to church on Easter last Sunday. About ten thousands non-christians in San Fran went to some deviant campy gay event specially designed to mock and troll Christians. I guess it works because every time an event like this is posted we have chicken littles going nuts, but that's the cost of a free society. If Christianity or traditionalism is doomed its its own damn fault, not thanks to degenerates and deviants that have always existed in society.

But if someone is truly convinced the sky is falling then nobody is going to convince them otherwise.
 
Children will be taken from their mothers at birth, as one takes eggs from a hen.
There definitely is a conservative issue with very socially conservative parents failing to recognize the individuality and autonomy of their kids, but the role of the state is to help parents and only take control when things get abusive. Drama over pronouns is probably not a good line.
It happens with progressive parents too. It’s just that progressives are less likely to be parents and more likely to be teachers, principals, etc.
 
I can't quote @zerodaydefense
Sorry for the OT, but I'm seeing this issue a lot and I guess Null's post hasn't been read by all users.

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I can't quote @zerodaydefense but the pendulum theory is just a simplified way to describe social trends that have been pretty consistent observed since the 1700's.
History is longer than ~300 years. And even in that slice of history, there's nothing in the context of social trends that even remotely resembles a pendulum. If you have to confine yourself even further to the last 100 years of specifically America-- for whatever reason, since our historical records of several civilizations worldwide are very detailed over the course of millennia-- then that's even more evidence that this pendulum theory is a self-soothing pareidolia. Anybody can say:

Right now you have young people who are yearning for some idealized 1950's patriarchal society, the one entire generations of the 60's and 70's who grew up in it did their utmost to upend and change because they felt it miserable and conformist.
In the 1930's America was close to going commie thanks to the economic depression and miserable working conditions, by 1950's America you had McCarthy holding witch hunts for commies who were evil incarnate, by 1970 you had college students carrying around Mao's little red book.
and then say that this is a ping-pong between social trends, because these summaries are nearly entirely decontextualized and denatured. You've wrenched cause from effect in order to make the comparisons.

The entire point of my comment was that whatever change happens, it's not destined to happen because our history supposedly works as a pendulum, but because people at large will it or will abide those prevailing movers and shakers as well as their ideologies-- in addition to the individual's will to change and sacrifice if need be. Anything you can call "pendulum theory" is incorrect from its very foundation; the movement of civilization is far too complicated to be generalized into anything that can be called a pendulum, unless we acknowledge that said proverbial pendulum is moving in the midst of an earthquake.

That's why I came up with Nazi furries attending Tridentine mass: that's indeed a direction we can go in, from here, as though you were asked to make a card PIN and you put in "dickbutt" because nobody taught you about numbers.
 
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Funny how the author brings up "evidence based medical care" for trooning out children and how kids who don't get access to medical transitioning are at risk of suicide, but then completely ignores all the documented evidence that they're just as equally at risk of suicide (if not more so) when they DO medically transition. It's almost like there is a psychological component to all this, such as a mental illness, that isn't being addressed and the gender dysphoria is just a symptom, not a cause. But that's an inconvenient truth that hurts their narrative and agenda, so we're all just supposed to ignore that.
 
I don't trust american left or right with kids period. Only thing I trust American left or right to do is kill themselves so they stop being a cancer to the rest of the world.
 
Progressives feeling entitled to children that aren't theirs is one of the weirder and more unsettling things to come out of lefty discourse lately
Quarterly reminder that they have been at this since the first attempts at communism, since the kibbutzim, since Clinton's "village," and started getting particularly grabby about it in the USA during the Obama years. And radical feminists experimented with it as well. Some still do.
the pendulum theory is just a simplified way to describe social trends that have been pretty consistent observed since the 1700's.
That's why we keep swinging between chattel slavery being okay and chattel slavery not being okay, women being considered adults capable of civic duties and responsibilities and coverture, so on and so forth. Because radical changes to society never happen, and if they do, they will snap right back to where they were before because of the laws of physics.
Archive that if you haven’t already.
Here you are.

 
That's why we keep swinging between chattel slavery being okay and chattel slavery not being okay, women being considered adults capable of civic duties and responsibilities and coverture, so on and so forth. Because radical changes to society never happen, and if they do, they will snap right back to where they were before because of the laws of physics.
Aren't we in basically neo-indentured servitude with debt and the like? Slavery hasn't changed. We just call it work now.
 
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