Child dies at theme park - May have been caused by dumb fuckery on her part.

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So yesterday an 11 year old girl fell into the water on the Splash Canyon river rapids ride at Drayton Manor and died from her injuries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39862996

She has been named today as Evha Janneth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39867690

Rather like the Smiler incident last year at Alton Towers, there have been calls to review safety procedures at amusement parks. However many eyewitness accounts are stating that she stood up in the ride when she wasn't supposed to and fell in that way. Leading to questions on where the responsible adults were and why was this girl being stupid.

So should safety standards in theme parks be looked at again?
 
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If it WAS because she stood, it's her fault for being an idiot, there's tons of signs and stuff saying 'don't stand'. Otherwise it should be investigated.

I prefer Storm Force 10 anyway.
 
CWCissey said:
So yesterday an 11 year old girl fell into the water on the Splash Canyon river rapids ride at Drayton Manor and died from her injuries.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39862996

She has been named today as Evha Janneth

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-39867690

Rather like the Smiler incident last year at Alton Towers, there have been calls to review safety procedures at amusement parks. However many eyewitness accounts are stating that she stood up in the ride when she wasn't supposed to and fell in that way. Leading to questions on where the responsible adults were and why was this girl being stupid.

So should safety standards in theme parks be looked at again?
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To answer your question there... no, they don't need looking at again.

Both Drayton Manor and Alton Towers actually have safety standards far far above what both the manufacturers recommend and what the law actually asks of them from a european perspective. It's hammered into you from day one if anything even remotely looks off or you suspect it, you have the right to refuse to let people on the rides, or sign off on the ride or even have outright arguments with your managers when they come round asking why you're not ready.

The Smiler incident was a combination of things going wrong due to an attempted culture shift at the park due to change in management (focusing on how many visitors could be put through in an hour as opposed to emphasis on perfect customer service), pressure on the maintenance teams (they started timing how long a ride was down to the exact second) and something as simple as the person in charge of the ride (prior to changing with the person present during the incident) not filling in paperwork correctly denoting how many "trains" were on the system, paperwork said 4, there were actually 5 and nobody checked all the cameras fully to see what had gone wrong.

It was a perfect storm which resulted in a lot of traumatic experiences not just for those on the ride and in the queue line, but for members of staff as well.

This situation seems far more cut and dry, you can't have restraints on a water ride in case one of the dingys (unlikely as it is) flips over and it will fucking drown everyone on that dingy, there's enough signs around saying "don't stand up" and that was the first thing that came to mind as there's a substantial handle, the ride uses bucket seats (making it slightly harder to stand anyway) and has large buttresses on either side to stop you being easily thrown out.

It's kind of obvious before you even hear what is to come out of the HSE report, the girl will have gotten giddy at being basically unattended and 11 years old and probably egged on trying to show off to her friends. Add in the fact she was probably wearing cumbersome/heavy when wet islamic clothing or even if she couldn't swim and it was just a disaster waiting to happen.
 
9 times out of 10 if somebody dies at a theme park, it's because they ignored the signs/fences/warnings. There's been a number of idiots killed because they had to get their cell phone that fell out of their pocket while they were riding a roller coaster, and oops the ride wins against their skull. Or there was one I remember from, god, probably over a decade ago where a drunk woman fought against and defeated the restraint system for a ride and fell something like 10 stories.

Now, I want to know if there was a restraint system, and if it was checked before the ride started. If the answer is yes to both of those and the idiot, of whatever age, defeated them in order to stand up, then no sympathy. Unless the 11 year old is retarded (in which case where are her keepers?) she should know enough to listen to directions.
 
Life is dangerous. There is no way to have almost anything be 100% safe, especially something like a amusement park. Tragedies happen, either we all just sit inside in foam rooms all day or we accept risks. You can't have it both ways.
 
neverendingmidi said:
There's been a number of idiots killed because they had to get their cell phone that fell out of their pocket while they were riding a roller coaster, and oops the ride wins against their skull.
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And this is why you keep your cell phone in a purse that you put in a cubby before you get on the ride.
 
neverendingmidi said:
9 times out of 10 if somebody dies at a theme park, it's because they ignored the signs/fences/warnings. There's been a number of idiots killed because they had to get their cell phone that fell out of their pocket while they were riding a roller coaster, and oops the ride wins against their skull. Or there was one I remember from, god, probably over a decade ago where a drunk woman fought against and defeated the restraint system for a ride and fell something like 10 stories.

Now, I want to know if there was a restraint system, and if it was checked before the ride started. If the answer is yes to both of those and the idiot, of whatever age, defeated them in order to stand up, then no sympathy. Unless the 11 year old is exceptional (in which case where are her keepers?) she should know enough to listen to directions.
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Agreed. I remember a long time ago, I was reading this "Deaths at Disneyland" list that made it sound like Disneyland was this dangerous place because so many people had died on the rides. When really, it looked like with the exception of one death, pretty much all the people who died there were being complete idiots and ignoring general safety rules. My favorite being this teenager that stood up on the Matterhorn while it was in motion.
 
Sable said:
If it WAS because she stood, it's her fault for being an idiot, there's tons of signs and stuff saying 'don't stand'. Otherwise it should be investigated.

I prefer Storm Force 10 anyway.
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Yeah what a fucking idiot 11 year old, she totally deserved to die!
 
CWCissey said:
Leading to questions on where the responsible adults were and why was this girl being stupid.
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Sable said:
If it WAS because she stood, it's her fault for being an idiot, there's tons of signs and stuff saying 'don't stand'. Otherwise it should be investigated.

I prefer Storm Force 10 anyway.
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neverendingmidi said:
Now, I want to know if there was a restraint system, and if it was checked before the ride started. If the answer is yes to both of those and the idiot, of whatever age, defeated them in order to stand up, then no sympathy. Unless the 11 year old is exceptional (in which case where are her keepers?) she should know enough to listen to directions.
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Come on, guys. She was only 11 years old. Yes, she should have known better, but it's not cool to say a child deserved to die because she wasn't following directions.

There should have been an adult (not even her parents, just like, any fucking adult) who at least tried to get her to sit down.
 
What's obnoxious is the mother commenting on how dangerous the ride is with the kid who survived as she goes on to explain it was entirely her sons own fault he fell out. I wouldn't be surprised if he won a Darwin award later in life because his parents never explained to him he was a lucky little shit just that one time.
 
I'm amazed that a Muslim girl even made it to 11 without being gang raped by her father and uncles and honor killed. She must have come from a moderate family.
 
Honeybunny said:
But seriously though, where were her parents in all of this?
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It was a school trip from a madrassah. Usually with school trips you have a chaperone for a while, usually go and have some talk about physics from the education officer (yes, really) usually about the science behind how the rides work, then you get just thrown out into the park for the afternoon in a kind of free time with an agreed upon meeting point and time.
 
I'm more surprised the Muslim girl was allowed to be out in public without her parents and allowed on rides period. But seriously, not saying the kid deserved to die, but it seems like it wasn't the park or the ride's fault. She probably did something stupid and paid for it- as fair or unfair as that is.
 
Dr.Research said:
I'm more surprised the Muslim girl was allowed to be out in public without her parents and allowed on rides period. But seriously, not saying the kid deserved to die, but it seems like it wasn't the park or the ride's fault. She probably did something stupid and paid for it- as fair or unfair as that is.
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It's not abnormal. When I was her age our school would go to Disneyland and do the same thing; no constant teacher supervision, we just had the opportunity to roam the park with our friends (emphasis on that: I remember them telling us to stay in groups) while they chilled around a meeting point. None of us died, got severely injured, got diddled etc. because contrary to popular belief 11-year-olds can be mentally developed enough to grok common sense.

I don't think someone who is 11 years of age needs to be babied to the point of having constant supervision. I mean, it really shouldn't be necessary in the first place; the several warnings of "do not stand" "keep your harness on" "keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times" should easily register in their cognition. It's not the parents' fault for not being there, but it is probably their fault for raising her to be ignorant.
 
Yeah my school actually took the kids that had 100% attendance and were projected to do well in their SATs to Drayton Manor on the last week of the school year, granted we were older (14) but the teachers left us to it, just told us to be in a certain place for lunch to make sure you were still there, and at home time. No-one died because we knew to follow the fucking instructions, one kid acted like a prat in the boat on rails ride, standing up, splashing people etc, and a voice on the intercom told him to stop being a prick. That was it.
 
Dr.Research said:
I'm more surprised the Muslim girl was allowed to be out in public without her parents and allowed on rides period. But seriously, not saying the kid deserved to die, but it seems like it wasn't the park or the ride's fault. She probably did something stupid and paid for it- as fair or unfair as that is.
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She was from Leicester in the UK midlands. I grew up around there. It has many middle class, friendly Muslim families.
 
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