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Gamergate Retiree said:
I wouldn't be hostile to artists and creatives if they'd fuck off and stop trying to take away our toys. If everyone has your attitude the war between artists and ai enthusiasts would end.
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I have no idea what you're trying to convey here. Artists? What? All I said was I don't understand why people are pissed about ChatGPT changing when you can easily just tell it to do the things it was doing with you before.
 
Smithfield Ham said:
I have no idea what you're trying to convey here. Artists? What? All I said was I don't understand why people are pissed about ChatGPT changing when you can easily just tell it to do the things it was doing with you before.
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Oh, i misunderstood. I thought you were affirming that AI usage isn't a big deal.
 
zzzten said:
If you don't believe me, look at what happens when you feed A.I its own output. It spirals out of control. We no longer have the same caliber sculptures as we did 500 years ago.
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"oh because we have this AI thing now means sculpting and hand made art thing gonna be really obsolete like only 100 people (or less) going to make human made art from the next 500 years and almost nobody wants human made art anymore" (assuming we still survive that long) That's BS. The demand of human made art would never die. Human-made art has been around for thousands of years, i heard more people preferring human-made art despite AI art gens improving. Why would anyone give up because of a large corporate entities endorses it? That wouldn't stop people from creating what they like.
I have seen numerous sculptors, 3d modelers (mostly on youtube) still working with what they love despite that AI would also do that job. Even the 2D artists are still going strong.
 
whisk said:
"oh because we have this AI thing now means sculpting and hand made art thing gonna be really obsolete like only 100 people (or less) going to make human made art from the next 500 years" (assuming we still survive that long) That's BS. The demand of human made art would never die. Human-made art has been around for thousands of years, i heard more people preferring human-made art despite AI art gens improving. Why would anyone give up because of a large corporate entities endorses it? That wouldn't stop people from creating what they like.
I have seen numerous sculptors, 3d modelers (mostly on youtube) still working with what they love despite that AI would also do that job. Even the 2D artists are still going strong.
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not to mention that despite being pro-AI I recognize bespoke art is infinitely better. It's more the thought to concept to prompt to image process taking maybe a minute versus looking for the perfect image and fucking around with the same tag process the AI uses.
 
JayseeDenton said:
when guitar hero came out a lot of guitarists were saying "when everyone plays GH instead of guitar how will they get new songs to put in the game?!?!".
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@Halo Cipher mentioned the phrase "creative joy" in the Draw a Fish thread, which I think perfectly captures this sentiment. I know I can go to any search engine and say COMPUTER! DRAW ME A PICTURE! but I still mouse draw dumb esoteric memes because I find the act of synthesis personally gratifying.
 
Decided to ask ChatGPT to roast AI sexuals and some of these are funny

men:
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Women
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Kinda lame I know but mildly amusing to imagine ChatGPT remembers and hates it all.
 
They should make an LLM that hates you by default until you can convince it not to.
Otherwise this experiment can end. We’ve once again proven that the human mind will fall in love with anything that sounds human and agrees with them.
 
I don't think AI will kill art. Art as a hobby will be fine. But Art as a job is dead.

I truly feel bad for people that studied arts, and programming. There will always be need for those jobs to tweak AI. But the labor Market in those areas will be decimated.

Companies will at best have a human to make small corrections or direct the AI. Everyone that wants to live off art should start acquiring another skill.
 
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Tapeworm Addict said:
You didn't do anything. What you did is the equivalent of a child asking his mom to make him food and telling everyone he prepared the meal.
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While there is far less work in prompting than bespoke creations, getting a massive tag list together for the perfect prompt does take research, knowledge, and understanding of the model you're using. Sure 90% of people are gonna type 1girl, anime, smile but writing out a litany of tags and getting something way better does have a bit of prestige to it.
 
Spaced Outside Cargo said:
They should make an LLM that hates you by default until you can convince it not to.
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Deepseek V3, more so than R1. The only model that in a D&D fantasy scenario would get your character killed without warning or hesitation.
Mystery Spy said:
But Art as a job is dead.
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Not really, Sturgeon's law applies. Jobs that required uninspired derivative illustrations that nobody cared for will now create uninspired derivative illustrations even cheaper, there is always a market for quality. Same how a "coding" model that is only trained on heaps of publicly accessible open source code will happily produce a millionth hobby project calendar app or image resizer, but high quality industry code is kept proprietary and an actual experienced programmer with real cognition can't be replaced.
 
Fae Supremacist said:
Not really, Sturgeon's law applies. Jobs that required uninspired derivative illustrations that nobody cared for will now create uninspired derivative illustrations even cheaper, there is always a market for quality. Same how a "coding" model that is only trained on heaps of publicly accessible open source code will happily produce a millionth hobby project calendar app or image resizer, but high quality industry code is kept proprietary and an actual experienced programmer with real cognition can't be replaced.
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I don't disagree that's why I said after that that jobs will be "decimated". As in drastically reduced not eliminated.

Like you said there will be still people employed. But I still think it's not a viable carrer choice now. To put it simple some jobs will exist. But the labor market will be too small. Even smaller than it already was.

Art jobs are dead, not because they won't exist, but rather because you can't risk gambling if you will be part of the 1% that will be employed. It's not worth to gamble.
 
Fae Supremacist said:
Jobs that required uninspired derivative illustrations that nobody cared for will now create uninspired derivative illustrations even cheaper, there is always a market for quality. Same how a "coding" model that is only trained on heaps of publicly accessible open source code will happily produce a millionth hobby project calendar app or image resizer, but high quality industry code is kept proprietary and an actual experienced programmer with real cognition can't be replaced.
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Apples to oranges tbh
Content is consumed differently than it was even five years ago. Trend chasing has always existed, but now the trend changes daily, and the marketing firms that employ most artists need you to keep up. They don't really care if what you made was passionate or original and honestly they never did. They don't even care if people actually care about what they produce, so long as the companies that contract them THINK that their marketing does something.
Also unlike programming, there's not much objective innovation to be made in art.

Mystery Spy said:
and programming.
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If you didn't secure a job in the last two years, it's literally over. Even if companies aren't laying off everyone for AI, they've definitely frozen hiring indefinitely. Im sure even the Saudi programming jobs involving outdated languages for scientific programs are replaced with an indian slave and an LLM.
 
Mystery Spy said:
Like you said there will be still people employed. But I still think it's not a viable carrer choice now.
Art jobs are dead, not because they won't exist, but rather because you can't risk gambling if you will be part of the 1% that will be employed. It's not worth to gamble.
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This has always been true honestly. Few people could afford the risk of pursuing art education, usually richer kids because they had financial security, graphic design was always a step above minimum wage. One in a hundred art kids would make it into an industry position as concept artist or whatnot. AI will just filter even more aspirants now that the low tier positions will be fucked.

Online illustrations and commissions are a field but it's overwhelmingly taken by SEA and East Asia because those people can take the risk since their financial outlooks are grim anyway. And because the coomer market is generally of poor taste, a lot of their audience will hop on AI. Not making it themselves mind you, they're so lacking in creativity to even do that, but paying someone on Patreon that throws 100+ images of the latest FOTM anime character into the void daily.
 
Mystery Spy said:
I don't think AI will kill art. Art as a hobby will be fine. But Art as a job is dead.

I truly feel bad for people that studied arts, and programming. There will always be need for those jobs to tweak AI. But the labor Market in those areas will be decimated.

Companies will at best have a human to make small corrections or direct the AI. Everyone that wants to live off art should start acquiring another skill.
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I don't think it is to that level yet. Look at the latest call of doodoo black ops game. The AI art in that looks like absolute ass
 
Fae Supremacist said:
This has always been true honestly. Few people could afford the risk of pursuing art education, usually richer kids because they had financial security, graphic design was always a step above minimum wage
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You are not wrong. But here's the thing. Before they could probably still get some art related menial jobs (inking, backgrounds, cleaning etc), or maybe some assistant job. Basically all the work nobody wants to do. So the risk wasn't as bad before.

But with AI? I see now it getting worse as those lesser or entry positions will be cut.

It's nothing new, like you said but it will get worse given the demand will shrink drastically.
 
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As much as I hate government regulation, I acknowledge it's necessary sometimes, like with the Stop Killing Games thing. If there was regulation that companies over a certain size had to hire real human artists and were not allowed to use AI, I wouldn't say boo. Then enthusiasts and small teams who can't afford as many people can use it.
 
Spaced Outside Cargo said:
Im sure even the Saudi programming jobs involving outdated languages for scientific programs are replaced with an indian slave and an LLM.
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I don't know about that. The semi-retired boomers I know who make six figures contracting part-time (sometimes for jobs they used to have full-time for decades) are mainly maintaining dead language codebases where they're like one of six people in the world who even know them any more, and the company in question is fucked when they die.

Sometimes they're also double dipping on pensions back from when pensions actually meant something.
 
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