Disaster Census Estimates Show Population Decline in 16 US States - Californian exodus

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With a perfect storm of aging residents, low birth rates, COVID-19 deaths and immigration cutbacks, 16 states saw population decreases last year as the United States experienced the slowest national population growth since the Great Depression.

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The nation grew only about 7% between 2010 and 2020, similar to the previous historic low between 1930 and 1940, according to new Census Bureau estimates, which do not reflect the 2020 census counts. The agency will release the final 2020 census tally in March.

California, Massachusetts and Ohio had been growing throughout the past decade until last year, while Michigan, New Jersey and Pennsylvania began slides in 2019. Longer-term losses continued for Alaska, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, Rhode Island, Vermont and West Virginia.
The latest population drops could lead to economic stagnation for states. The bicoastal tech boom has been fueled by new residents, including foreign-born students and other skilled workers using immigration visas, while many smaller cities and towns depend on unskilled farm or factory labor and need more immigration to stay productive.

“Knowledge and living standards stagnate for a population that gradually vanishes,” concluded Stanford University economist Charles Jones in a September working paper published by the National Bureau of Economic Research.

New York and California, both hit early by the pandemic, had some of the biggest drops between mid-2019 and mid-2020, with New York losing about 126,000 people and California losing almost 70,000, according to annual Census Bureau estimates that are not related to the official 2020 census counts. The annual estimates are based on births, deaths, construction permits and other records.

Also, Illinois’ population slide continued with a drop of about 79,000. New York and Illinois had the largest percentage drops in population, about two-thirds of one percent for each.

The big gainers were Texas, up about 374,000 people for the year, and Florida, up about 241,000, though the figures do not take into consideration the coronavirus spikes that happened in those states after July. In percentage terms, the Mountain West states of Idaho (2.1% growth for the year) followed by Arizona (1.8%), Nevada and Utah (1.5%) grew fastest.

Also, Illinois’ population slide continued with a drop of about 79,000. New York and Illinois had the largest percentage drops in population, about two-thirds of one percent for each.

The big gainers were Texas, up about 374,000 people for the year, and Florida, up about 241,000, though the figures do not take into consideration the coronavirus spikes that happened in those states after July. In percentage terms, the Mountain West states of Idaho (2.1% growth for the year) followed by Arizona (1.8%), Nevada and Utah (1.5%) grew fastest.

The national population slowdown last year may reflect the ravages of the pandemic, said William Frey, a senior fellow at the nonpartisan Brookings Institution who studies demographic changes. Deaths rose and international borders closed.

But many trends were already in place—an aging population of baby boomers, millennials postponing childbearing and cutbacks in immigration under the Trump administration. And the pandemic could have an unpredictable effect on the census count, finished under pressures from COVID-19 shutdowns.

Confusion in the count also may arise because many people made temporary moves related to virus outbreaks, but had to be counted where they were living on April 1, 2020, known as Census Day, said Frey. “You really don’t know how successful they were in getting people to say where they were on Census Day, if they even remember,” Frey said.

The results mean New York is more likely to lose a seat in Congress and an Electoral College vote, and dim California’s hopes of staving off such a loss, according to an analysis by Kimball Brace, a Virginia-based election data consultant. Alabama also is in danger of losing a seat.

Florida would get an additional seat based on last year’s growth, according to Brace’s analysis.

“The full census will give us a lot more information, but it also depends on how well the census was done,” Brace said. Some states such as California and Florida have their own estimates with higher numbers—California estimates its population at more than 400,000 higher than the new Census Bureau estimates, putting it much closer to the 500,000 it would need to keep the jeopardized congressional seat.
 
I'm just curious as to whether people will project population growth always and forever. COVID almost certainly cut down on population growth, but economic factors are making people marry later, and in lower numbers. Fewer kids are being born. This isn't even unique to the USA, other Western countries, like Germany and Japan are also having problems with aging populations and low birthrates. In the EU, the importation of immigrants is probably an attempt by big businesses trying to keep the population numbers up just as much as it's a political move.
 
Isn't this normal for a civilization that's enjoying prosperity or something close to it? Increasing population growth can't continue forever. You're either going to run out of resources or run out of people to import eventually.
 
The more red your state is, the more fucked you are in the future. I feel really, really bad for the people of Idaho right now.
Isn't this normal for a civilization that's enjoying prosperity or something close to it? Increasing population growth can't continue forever. You're either going to run out of resources or run out of people to import eventually.
For now it is (it's called demographic transition). Populations have stopped growing in developing countries because of structural issues related with the economy (mainly that you can't raise two-three kids on one salary and cultural aspects related to the role of women and men in society). This problem has been "solved" via mass immigration of various sorts.

But in theory we could structure society at just over replacement fertility (like 2.1-2.2 children per woman) so that we'd have very slight growth yet still be a prosperous and peaceful society without the need to import the Third World. We are not in danger of running out of resources anytime soon and this would create the growing economy the politicians keep chasing after that would eventually grow us into the ocean or space or wherever to make sure we could get those resources to live comfortably.
 
But in theory we could structure society at just over replacement fertility (like 2.1-2.2 children per woman) so that we'd have very slight growth yet still be a prosperous and peaceful society without the need to import the Third World.
The problem is attempting to engineer population demographics like that is either a complete violation of human rights or a total crapshoot.

The ideal thing to do would be to keep the Third World in the Third World and let the population stabilize at whatever level it stabilizes at.
 
I can only dream for america to drop back down to 200 mil. Sadly Biden's going to increase our population by 10%
 
The problem is attempting to engineer population demographics like that is either a complete violation of human rights or a total crapshoot.

The ideal thing to do would be to keep the Third World in the Third World and let the population stabilize at whatever level it stabilizes at.
It will probably never 'level off' and just inflate and deflate constantly.
 
Rich people are loving this! Great Depression 2: Covid Boogaloo
Oh big time. Why do you think that the stock market has been running new highs month after month? Smaller competition is being choked out by lockdowns and coronavirus. Less competition means higher profits for giant corporations like Amazon and Target, and happy board members. Throw in the fed shitting trillions of dollars onto our poor scrappy little global mega corps and it's basically the best time to be wealthy and powerful ever. Our ruin is their gain.
 
Isn't this normal for a civilization that's enjoying prosperity or something close to it? Increasing population growth can't continue forever. You're either going to run out of resources or run out of people to import eventually.
It is. While this is obviously a time of great disruption, there is no reason the US population needs to be bigger than the 330 million it is already. I doubt the rate of growth will increase much in future either. I don't see a mass illegal amnesty bill getting through a narrowly split senate, though Biden would want to sign it if it were down to him.
 
Isn't this normal for a civilization that's enjoying prosperity or something close to it? Increasing population growth can't continue forever. You're either going to run out of resources or run out of people to import eventually.
Well, TFRs decrease as wealth and security increases. An affluent society will have fewer babies. Some do postulate the TFR curves are j-shaped so a birth boom will follow a certain level of affluence, but I do not know how true that is.

This is not really about fertility rates though. Fertility rates vary within the US, but the growth and ungrowth of the population is more about interstate and international migration trends. States in the northeast and midwest are dying while southern states are booming.
 
Only way to grow birthrates is to target women who have genetic disposition to higher fertility and the subsidize them, that's what Hungary is doing and has actually seen solid recovery (1.2 -> 1.6 in less than a decade). This includes tax cuts for having kids, free fertility treatments etc. A study couple of years ago showed the fertility is something like 40% genetic, so it could work well in the long term.
Or you can dump endless amount of money on gay tv-campaigns about "pls have more babby" and other shitty propaganda with no results, this is the Japanese method.
OR you just go full Germany and import your citizens until nobody wants to pay for the ever increasing costs of taking care of some old crackers who didn't want to push out few kids to keep their civilization going. Maybe they can sell their past achievements at that point, I bet the Chinks would pay some serious euro for the claim that Beethoven was Chinese.

Life is full choices.
 
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"Overpopulation is a big deal! You must stop reproducing!"
"Your populace is declining! You must import people to replace you and continue populating!"

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It is. While this is obviously a time of great disruption, there is no reason the US population needs to be bigger than the 330 million it is already. I doubt the rate of growth will increase much in future either. I don't see a mass illegal amnesty bill getting through a narrowly split senate, though Biden would want to sign it if it were down to him.
Realistically, I don't think it would even benefit the US to keep growing beyond a certain number. A lot of the innovative stuff and prosperity seemed to happen when the US had a much lower population, and if population was the key to 'success' then India and parts of Africa should be world bastions of prosperity and innovation. Instead they are largely third world with a few pockets that sort of come close to first world.

Plus a lot more people are staring at little phone screens rather then having babies. Also it's been shown that phones nuke the ol' sausage and eggs, at the angle many men like to hold them, and that tends to lead to lower fertility. And phones are everywhere.
 
I'm just curious as to whether people will project population growth always and forever. COVID almost certainly cut down on population growth, but economic factors are making people marry later, and in lower numbers. Fewer kids are being born. This isn't even unique to the USA, other Western countries, like Germany and Japan are also having problems with aging populations and low birthrates. In the EU, the importation of immigrants is probably an attempt by big businesses trying to keep the population numbers up just as much as it's a political move.
It is just rich, educated people who are having fewer babies. Poor, uneducated people are still popping them out at half a dozen to a dozen per woman. So fear not, overall world population will continue to climb. And Idiocracy was not just satire, it was prophecy.
 
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