US CDC releases data behind latest mask guidelines

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The hotly anticipated study helped convince the agency to revise its guidance on mask-wearing earlier this week.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has collected data that suggest fully vaccinated Americans who contract the Delta variant carry similar levels of the virus as unvaccinated people who contract the variant.

The finding suggests that people who have gotten Covid-19 shots and then become ill with Delta can transmit the virus to others more readily than seen with other versions of the coronavirus.

The hotly anticipated research helped convince the agency to revise its guidance on mask-wearing earlier this week, when it said vaccinated people should wear masks indoors in areas with high levels of Covid-19 transmission. But CDC had not made the data underlying its decision public until now.

The agency worked with the Massachusetts health department to track a cluster of coronavirus cases in Barnstable County, on Cape Cod, that emerged in the days following July Fourth holiday.

Seventy-four percent of the 469 cases that CDC investigated occurred in fully vaccinated individuals. Genomic sequencing of samples from 119 of 133 individuals in the study showed they had contracted the Delta variant. The vast majority of the vaccinated people in the cluster — about 79 percent — developed clear Covid-19 symptoms, CDC said.

Five people in that group were hospitalized, four of whom were vaccinated. But none died, the study found.

CDC also examined the viral load in 127 of the sick vaccinated people and found it was similar to the level seen in 84 unvaccinated people who contracted the variant. That suggests the vaccinated group was just as able to spread the virus as the unvaccinated group — a finding that prompted CDC to once again recommend that people in areas of high transmissions wear masks indoors regardless of vaccination status.

“High viral loads suggest an increased risk of transmission and raised concern that, unlike with other variants, vaccinated people infected with Delta can transmit the virus,” CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said. “The finding is concerning and was a pivotal discovery leading to the CDC’s updated mask recommendation.”

The release of the new data comes two days after the CDC announced that it was once again recommending Americans living in areas with high transmission to wear a mask indoors.

That decision marked a painful setback for the Biden administration, which had touted the dropping of mask recommendations for vaccinated people in May as a key step toward ending the pandemic.

When asked if the American people should expect more pandemic guidelines and restrictions late Friday, President Joe Biden said “in all probability.”

“Almost a million people got vaccinated, about half a million of those people for the first time or for their second shot,” Biden told reporters before boarding Marine One en route to Camp David. “So I am hopeful that people are beginning to realize how essential it is to move.”

Yet the Delta variant has driven Covid-19 cases sharply upward over the past four weeks, touching off a scramble within the administration to head off the resurgence and sparking fears a prolonged battle with the new variant could swamp Biden's broader agenda.

On Wednesday, CDC data showed average daily new infections had risen above 66,000, from roughly 13,000 just one month ago. Health officials have ramped up their vaccination push in response, stressing that even if vaccinated people can still contract Covid-19, they’re far less likely to suffer from severe symptoms.

The CDC guidelines have already prompted vocal backlash within parts of the GOP, a reaction exacerbated by the agency’s delayed release of the data underpinning its decision.

Other critics of the agency have since questioned why officials were so quick to drop their initial masking recommendations back in May, especially given the risk that more dangerous variants could still emerge.

Biden officials have defended the decision-making in recent days as determined solely by the evolving data on the Covid-19's spread, and growing concern about how quickly the Delta variant has spread throughout the nation.

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So according to the CDC's own data:
  • The hospitalization rate of the terrifying Delta Variant™ is 1%
  • The death rate is 0%
  • The vaccine does not lower your odds of going to the hospital
  • The vaccine does not lower your symptoms
  • The vaccine does not lower how contagious you are
  • We're gonna lock the entire world down again anyway
Great job guys, way to go! No wonder people still trust the CDC and this administration like the fucking morons they are!
 

Seventy-four percent of the 469 cases that CDC investigated occurred in fully vaccinated individuals.
Genomic sequencing of samples from 119 of 133 individuals in the study showed they had contracted the Delta variant. The vast majority of the vaccinated people in the cluster — about 79 percent — developed clear Covid-19 symptoms, CDC said.

Five people in that group were hospitalized, four of whom were vaccinated. But none died, the study found.

CDC also examined the viral load in 127 of the sick vaccinated people and found it was similar to the level seen in 84 unvaccinated people who contracted the variant. That suggests the vaccinated group was just as able to spread the virus as the unvaccinated group — a finding that prompted CDC to once again recommend that people in areas of high transmissions wear masks indoors regardless of vaccination status.
 
So according to the CDC's own data:
  • The hospitalization rate of the terrifying Delta Variant™ is 1%
  • The death rate is 0%
  • The vaccine does not lower your odds of going to the hospital
  • The vaccine does not lower your symptoms
  • The vaccine does not lower how contagious you are
  • We're gonna lock the entire world down again anyway
Great job guys, way to go! No wonder people still trust the CDC and this administration like the fucking morons they are!
The Men Non Binary Aliens in Black are on their way to your house.
 
And there are still people seething over my ass not getting the jab, despite the fact that the fuckers who took it are just as likely to spread it as I am.
More likely, actually, since I'm still masking up and avoiding everyone and they figured "Oh hey, now I got the vaccine and don't need a mask, time to go to the movies!"

Fuck it, I made a meme.
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And there are still people seething over my ass not getting the jab, despite the fact that the fuckers who took it are just as likely to spread it as I am.
More likely, actually, since I'm still masking up and avoiding everyone and they figured "Oh hey, now I got the vaccine and don't need a mask, time to go to the movies!"
TBF, the movies are the best place to social distance. Movies are garbage these days!
 
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has collected data that suggest fully vaccinated Americans who contract the Delta variant carry similar levels of the virus as unvaccinated people who contract the variant.
How is that possible? The point of a vaccine is to train the body to sufficiently fight off infections, and that means preventing the pathogen from replicating. Viruses cause sickness because they cause cell damage, and they cause cell damage because they hijack cell machinery to make copies of itself until the cell either dies or is otherwise too impaired to function properly-- COVID does the former.

So what could possibly be happening that you have vaccinated people having similar viral load levels as unvaccinated people, but they don't get as sick as the unvaccinated?
 
The finding suggests that people who have gotten Covid-19 shots and then become ill with Delta can transmit the virus to others more readily than seen with other versions of the coronavirus.
Okay. So let's unpack.
Suggests- correlation does not mean causation. In these studies there are NUMEROUS variables to pay attention to.
Diet, job, age, lifestyle, exposure risk, race to name thefew.
Have gotten the COVID 19 shots- which one? How long ago? Is there a difference between the type?
Then become ill- When did they become ill? Under what conditions?
Can transmit - Does not mean they DO.
More readily- what does that mean? What is the percentage? What is the probability?
Than with other versions of- so does that mean I am protected from the others?

There is simply not enough studies to make those conclusions. Thanks media you make people dumber by the second.
469 cases? Get's fucked CDC call me again when you studied at least a million people.
 
Noticing they say nothing about what the goal is. I'm assuming it's "making the virus not exist anymore" which of course isn't possible.
 
469 cases
The CDC needs to stop doing this shit to justify their blind flailing in response to something they need to not be responding to in the first place.

This is the same shit these fuckwads did with a restaurant study that was of like 11 places with really vague questions that was used to justify the closing of the entire industry all over the place...Philly and I believe NYC to name a couple.
On Wednesday, CDC data showed average daily new infections had risen above 66,000, from roughly 13,000 just one month ago. Health officials have ramped up their vaccination push in response, stressing that even if vaccinated people can still contract Covid-19, they’re far less likely to suffer from severe symptoms.
How many of them had recently been shipped in from the Southern Border? Also 66k out of hundreds of millions? Who gives a fuck?

Politico used to at least feign journalism now they just print the lie.
 
Does anyone have a source to the actual data in question? I don't see it linked anywhere in the article.
 
Holy shit. How is ANYONE listening this this anymore?

Vaccines are something you take once and it gives you lifelong immunity for the most part. The MRNA treatments are gene therapy they are only to reduce symptoms they don't prevent disease at all. You can still contract the disease and spread it.

The whole point of a vaccine is to prevent the spread of the disease and to prevent you from getting it. These treatments don't do either. Vaccines are dead or weakened pathogen that stimulate antibody production. They've even changed the definition of vaccines since this whole thing started. Why would they have to do that? Because they know the MRNA shots are not vaccines. You would not agree to take a “gene therapy” shot like you would a vaccine. They are treatments to reduce the severity of an illness. They are now calling vaccines “biological preparations”. If that isn't a mishmash of twisting I don't know what it is. At least be honest and tell people what they are and let people make informed decisions. Too many people think this is going to prevent illness and it's not. These shots are NOT VACCINES.

Add to that they admitted the PCR test they are using is shit and they are getting rid of it. it’s not distinguishing between the seasonal flu which is a corona virus and this virus they claim is a killer black plague on humanity. Any real scientist would have tossed out the numbers as inaccurate, not continually blasted them at the public day after day. How are they testing for delta? I am in ny and I have heard that ordinary labs don’t have that capability, state Or fed (can’t remember which ) run labs do. They are lying. They don’t have access to a test to distinguish variants. A lot of the numbers were the seasonal flu because a majority of Drs stopped testing for seasonal flu when this started. The flu didn’t just go away. Do people really believe that masks stopped the seasonal flu but the sneaky cv19 was able to pass on through?

They keep acting like every number is DEATH. It’s not, and they have NOT ONCE told people stop stop being fatasses, get some exercise, take vitamins , eat healthy and work on strengthening their body and mind.

And another thing, why do they NEVER talk about treatments except to say don’t take this or that it’s bad for you. The only solution is the VACCINE! They have gone so far as to make dumbass propaganda using questionable “Drs” saying patients are about to be put on a vent and begging for the vaccine. If you were at the point where you’re about to be intubated I highly doubt you’re able to sit there and beg for a vaccine. There’s just so much here, I can’t believe how dumb people are. That’s the biggest disappointment of this whole thing for me the absolute stupidity of the common person. And not only are they stupid they are downright nasty and angry about it. I guess being dumb hurts.
 
If we go into lockdowns again...that will give trannies hope that the world can change for their 1% of horseshit needs.
 
The MRNA treatments are gene therapy they are only to reduce symptoms they don't prevent disease at all. You can still contract the disease and spread it.
The acellular pertussis vaccine is not much better, it hardly prevents spread at all, and since the US switched to it from the whole cell pertussis vaccine the line representing the cases over time turned right around and started going back up again. It might last a bit longer than six months though, but no one has good data on that.
 
The whole point of a vaccine is to prevent the spread of the disease and to prevent you from getting it. These treatments don't do either.
A vaccine is mostly to help the body create antibodies so it can more easily handle the virus when it enters the body. Which is why just having gone through having Rona should be enough to show that the person has the antibodies to do just that.

There are two problems here, one is that pharmaceutical companies sold politicians on the notion that mRNA vaccines would decrease viral loads to the point that the virus would be eliminated from society. Second problem is China and the media promoted the idea that the chinky flu was highly deadly. Both those points have been shown to be false, in spite of that not a ton of people in the media are willing to admit the vaccines allow the virus to stay endemic and that the virus itself isn't nearly as deadly as advertised (while at the same time it still is a good idea to get vaccinated).
 
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