Canada is a failed state

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The real blackpill is when you realise that most (((conservatives))) are just liberals/progressives with some conservative fiscal values or who are not far left enough for the actual liberal party/ndp.
I always liked the statement my poli sci prof made in regards to this: there are no differences between the Cons, Libs, and NDP outside of who they tax and by how much. Every mainstream party in this country is in lockstep when it comes to the big issues, and nothing will change it barring total collapse. We aren't voting ourselves out of this mess, the time for that was back in the 1940s.
 
I always liked the statement my poli sci prof made in regards to this: there are no differences between the Cons, Libs, and NDP outside of who they tax and by how much. Every mainstream party in this country is in lockstep when it comes to the big issues, and nothing will change it barring total collapse. We aren't voting ourselves out of this mess, the time for that was back in the 1940s.
At this point I dont even think we will be able to get ourselves out of this mess.
 
There are too many names (about 200) on the ballot for the battle river-crowfoot by election later today that the ballot will instead require you to write the name of who you want to vote for, I'm sure this wont go down well with Poilievre voters who likely don't know how to spell "Poilievre"
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why do they even write in french for this by election in ALBERTA
 
Most Canadian "conservatives" today seem to be cargo culting right wingers elsewhere with no depth behind it or meaningful path forward, which is probably just what happens when no movement to the right of Obama has existed in your lifetime. When the elder conservatives around you want to get back to traditional values of gay marriage, tabula rasa race relations, and libertarian drug policies, where do you even begin with a wedge issue? Even today in Carney's circus, the average right wing Canadian would be considered somewhere center left on most issues in America
 
Most Canadian "conservatives" today seem to be cargo culting right wingers elsewhere with no depth behind it or meaningful path forward, which is probably just what happens when no movement to the right of Obama has existed in your lifetime. When the elder conservatives around you want to get back to traditional values of gay marriage, tabula rasa race relations, and libertarian drug policies, where do you even begin with a wedge issue? Even today in Carney's circus, the average right wing Canadian would be considered somewhere center left on most issues in America
I actually don't think there is a concrete "left" or "right" scale that can be applied neutrally to all countries. Politics depend on cultures and societies, not vice versa. What's super left-wing in Persia might be quite right-wing in Canada, and what's right-wing in Canada might be quite left-wing in the USA.

Using Obama as a metric to measure Canadian politics is stupid. Canada is Canada, so its politics will be Canadian. The majority of Canadians support gay marriage, racial equity, and lax drug laws. I don't think any of those things are particularly right-wing or left-wing positions either, in fact: they're all just gay culture war shit that mean nothing but are heavily politicized so that they distract from the real issues at hand.

Literally who cares if 2 women or 2 men can get married when we have actual REAL problems that affect all of us all at once? This hyper-focus on identity politics is what got us into this mess to begin with. If we could actually all manage to be adults and separate identity from politics, things would get a lot better.
 
Most Canadian "conservatives" today seem to be cargo culting right wingers elsewhere with no depth behind it or meaningful path forward, which is probably just what happens when no movement to the right of Obama has existed in your lifetime. When the elder conservatives around you want to get back to traditional values of gay marriage, tabula rasa race relations, and libertarian drug policies, where do you even begin with a wedge issue? Even today in Carney's circus, the average right wing Canadian would be considered somewhere center left on most issues in America
Most canaidan cons are just centrists or "centre right" cowards who will bow down and conceded to whatever the liberals say.
 
There are too many names (about 200) on the ballot for the battle river-crowfoot by election later today that the ballot will instead require you to write the name of who you want to vote for, I'm sure this wont go down well with Poilievre voters who likely don't know how to spell "Poilievre"
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why do they even write in french for this by election in ALBERTA
Fuck me I misspell his name as Polivere all the time. It's over since they'll disqualify every misspelled vote.
 
Fuck me I misspell his name as Polivere all the time. It's over since they'll disqualify every misspelled vote.
Nope, Elections Canada says they aren’t going to be sticklers for spelling as long as they can tell who you are trying to vote for.

It basically eliminates all the literal whos the longest ballot people tried to drop in.
 
Literally who cares if 2 women or 2 men can get married when we have actual REAL problems that affect all of us all at once? This hyper-focus on identity politics is what got us into this mess to begin with. If we could actually all manage to be adults and separate identity from politics, things would get a lot better
I used to agree with this, but where I've arrived at is, what even are "identity politics" and what separates them from "culture"? Without anything that can be considered part of the culture war, what else is politics, just cold mathematical economic policy? Two guys getting married doesn't hurt your quality of life, but living in a society that puts less value on the sanctity of families does, and the two are inextricably related even if it would be nice if they weren't.

Right and left are relative, you are correct, that was my point, I feel bad for Canadians that are right wing by outsider standards because they are uniquely fucked by their environment
 
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Excuse me, what is this logic?? We shouldn't NEED to give a rats ass about any culture other than our own, because this is where we fucking live! I always thought J.J. was at least somewhat reasonable enough but holy shit, I never would have expected such a braindead take from him, extremely embarrassing coming from someone who is essentially the face of Canadian conservatism on Youtube.
The guy is basically saying to give up and accept our new Punjabi overlords, but the moment we start to accept this behavior and adapt for them, that's literally what's going to happen and this whole shebang is marked as a game over. Reminds me of a little something called... oh, I don't know, colonialism? But I guess it's okay for the white people and not the other way around. Except white people colonized numerous parts of Asia because of their own strength and innovation. They fought tooth and nail for their territories and held on for as long as they could until they were forced to give it up by fellow white people. India isn't colonising us because they're stronger or better than us. We're literally inviting these fuckers in and letting them rape us all in the ass because we're supposed to feel bad for them. God, I fucking hate white guilt.
GET THESE JEETS OFF OUR STREETS!
 
I used to agree with this, but where I've arrived at is, what even are "identity politics" and what separates them from "culture"? Without anything that can be considered part of the culture war, what else is politics, just cold mathematical economic policy? Two guys getting married doesn't hurt your quality of life, but living in a society that puts less value on the sanctity of families does, and the two are inextricably related even if it would be nice if they weren't.

Right and left are relative, you are correct, that was my point, I feel bad for Canadians that are right wing by outsider standards because they are uniquely fucked by their environment
Who gives a crap about gays when nobody can find a job and nobody can afford a house and nobody can pay off their debts and nobody can buy enough groceries and everyone lives cheque-to-cheque? Which is more hurtful for the family unit: all of those aforementioned things, or homosexuality? Really, though?

The focus on homosexuality is so done. It's so over. We already all talked about it, and debated about it, and voted on it, and we decided. Bringing up homosexuality like it's still up for debate is so... 90s. It's like we were all saying a bit ago: everyone in Canada is stuck in the fucking 90s for better or for worse.
 
Who gives a crap about gays when nobody can find a job and nobody can afford a house and nobody can pay off their debts and nobody can buy enough groceries and everyone lives cheque-to-cheque? Which is more hurtful for the family unit: all of those aforementioned things, or homosexuality? Really, though?

The focus on homosexuality is so done. It's so over. We already all talked about it, and debated about it, and voted on it, and we decided. Bringing up homosexuality like it's still up for debate is so... 90s. It's like we were all saying a bit ago: everyone in Canada is stuck in the fucking 90s for better or for worse.
The point I am trying to make is that none of those things are unrelated, you can't fix the housing market without fixing the things that destroyed it, and economic problems do not exist in a vacuum sealed bubble where they have nothing to do with social ones, social ills tend to have material consequences that come about in indirect ways. Sorry I brought up the gays, immigrants would be a better example, it'd be like trying to fix the housing market while defending the practice of bringing in a million more jeets a year because they need a good life and it's your duty
 
I wouldn't call it pride. I'd call it denial and an acute superiority complex. There's still people around who will call you crazy if you dare to insinuate that Canada isn't some kind of Eden. For the size of the average Canadian's ego, it's surprisingly fragile.
Yeah everyone loves to talk shit about the south and how bigoted or racist or etc... we are but at the end of the day we're pretty secure and okay about our history.
Lol love how that commentator is combining Peter Zeihan with Zohran Mamdani

I will be siding with Pakistan as I want to them to nuke India.

Islam at least somewhat keeps the Jeets in line compared to their weird Hindu Pagan and Sikh religions.
To quote the late great Henry kissenger it is a shame both sides cant lose in such a conflict.
 
I used to agree with this, but where I've arrived at is, what even are "identity politics" and what separates them from "culture"? Without anything that can be considered part of the culture war, what else is politics, just cold mathematical economic policy? Two guys getting married doesn't hurt your quality of life, but living in a society that puts less value on the sanctity of families does, and the two are inextricably related even if it would be nice if they weren't.
Culture or Idpol is downstream of actual policy basically.

My take would be, if people are so culturally innane that they can't understand than men have a penis, and women have a vagina-

that these people lack critical thinking generally, and cannot be trusted to make political decisions, let alone social ones.

If you want the difference between idpol and culture, the terms are loosely defined anyways and idpol is an idiom anyways, but its putting your ethnic or cultural identity as holding primacy or greater importance than your civic identity. What does that even mean? Well, we've had waves of idpol since the 1960s, especially with the emergence of movements like the Black power or Chicano movements,

but modern idpol is even more inane, less grounded in reality, and more made up entirely. 'Yes I an a non-binary catboy steven universe gem soul and deserve rights for my specific identity'.

So you can't really say that idpol isnt culture- its a form of subcultural identification I guess, but its a really stupid form of culture. Idpol versus culture would be comparing Latino political culture vs Furry political culture, with the later being entirely redundant. Thats, from what I understand, what people are generally referring to when they use 'idpol'. The stupid shit that infests politics today that is completely unnecessary.

As KawaiiKat says, who gives a shit if you are a furry if you cant get a job
 
I used to agree with this, but where I've arrived at is, what even are "identity politics" and what separates them from "culture"? Without anything that can be considered part of the culture war, what else is politics, just cold mathematical economic policy? Two guys getting married doesn't hurt your quality of life, but living in a society that puts less value on the sanctity of families does, and the two are inextricably related even if it would be nice if they weren't.
I will avoid a lengthy diatribe about the obligations of a state to its own survival and its citizens, but there is a certain nefarious element to the entire LGBT and their acceptance by the broader culture and rights enshrined by the state. It's all part of a wider interesting in legislating through minority politics. Now, there's a little quirk about minority politics. They only work when you're the minority and can acquire advantages at the expense of the majority. The LGBT community writ large is a hive of mental illness and hedonism. On its own, it's a self destructive group that peters out and gets sidelined by a majority disgusted by what the minority brings and demands the majority tolerant and support.

Sound a lot like something else? Yeah, immigration from alien cultures. Mandating tolerance for persons whose way of life is offensive to the majority or otherwise simply harmful to the broader whole is a necessary step to flood a country with third worlders. The LGBT HAD to be normalized to start the annihilation of social norms setting strict limitations on personal behavior and what the masses must tolerate. You have to let men into the women's bathroom because rapejeets are going to sexually harass women at every opportunity and your self-preservation instincts must be snuffed out.

Intolerance seems mean and unkind but it exists for a certain purpose. Think of it as an immune system. If your civilization hangs bugcatchers spreading aids around, you're not about to suffer third worlders attempting to invade and infest your country and turn it into new jeetland. Moreso than in recent memory, the highest of virtues today is bigotry and rejection of the outsider and deviant. Acceptance leads to predation by minority politics.
 
Thats, from what I understand, what people are generally referring to when they use 'idpol'. The stupid shit that infests politics today that is completely unnecessary.
If I needed to wrap "Idpol" up into a one-phrase package, I'd probably do it thusly.

"Idpol is when someone confuses an identity with an actual political position."

I wouldn't give it the credit of being culture. That's giving it WAY too much credit IMO, there's nothing deeply cultural about it. It's just draping yourself in the skinsuit of a culture and parading around in it, and this skinsuit feature really needs direct highlighting overall. Your trans-pride flag waving, soy-latte sipping, hashtag-resisting real-life Redditor types do not have culture. It is putting on the trappings of culture with no real care or understanding because they understand it can do things, and calling that culture is like saying I can say I have brick walls if I paint bricks on my walls.

A random furry faggot isn't really doing anything to society on his own. But a random furry faggot who parades in the streets crying faggot oppression without any cause is in fact a problem. The former is enjoying his "culture," the latter has elected to put it at risk to use it as a meat shield for his other BS. But even that's not really doing much in a relative sense if the housing market is fucked, and the odds some random furry faggot, let alone THAT specific random furry faggot, is actually responsible for that complete fustercluck is quite frankly pathetically low.

My opinion, politics is downstream of culture, which means I blame commies for getting into the culture production facilities and conservatives of yesteryear for utterly failing to actually deal with them. You gotta blame everyone, leaving off the gatekeepers who left the gate open means you'll never find out how they actually got in. Everything else is down-wind of that original poisoning of the well. They taught people how to make skinsuits to practice idpol with which broke loads of other shit, and the conservatives utterly failed to reinforce any tradition whatsoever in the meantime, meaning now we need to get a bunch of new answers to these old questions. The reason there's caustic stuff in the LGBT community is because they got that shit from the feminists who got it from the commies who proved radical deconstruction works, I mean did you see that McCarthy guy? What a wingnut and killjoy, you wouldn't want to be a loser like him wouldn't you? Dude was right about infiltration, but an L is still an L. He didn't stop shit and still turned into a byword for anti-communists being authoritarian cranks. You don't need bigotry or intolerance to do that, matter of fact that's exactly what the deconstructionists want so now they aren't wrong anymore in saying they're fighting bigotry and the people fighting it start alienating their useful idiots. Cue total societal death once everyone sucks and there's no more culture left unmolested by anyone and everyone exists in the state of endless purity spiral. In that mudpit of stupid, sharia or gay shit wins with experience.

The good news though is that since all of this comes from exactly one source, there is a neck to slit over it, and why I lead by saying Idpol isn't culture, it's the skinsuit of one. ALL of it is fake and gay at the end of the day. I've been making inroads elsewhere pointing this out and highlighting how all of this shit is basically commie bollocks and you can do the Scooby Doo villain reveal meme on any given one of these idpol issues and basically find "Communist Rhetoric" under it. At that point, it's not about some random furfag or some random fudgepacker or some random jeet/raghead/kang/whatever-the-fuck-else, it's about where all these skinsuit makers get their ideas from. Take that out, take out idpol, all without touching anything cultural.
 
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Who gives a crap about gays when nobody can find a job and nobody can afford a house and nobody can pay off their debts and nobody can buy enough groceries and everyone lives cheque-to-cheque? Which is more hurtful for the family unit: all of those aforementioned things, or homosexuality? Really, though?

The focus on homosexuality is so done. It's so over. We already all talked about it, and debated about it, and voted on it, and we decided. Bringing up homosexuality like it's still up for debate is so... 90s. It's like we were all saying a bit ago: everyone in Canada is stuck in the fucking 90s for better or for worse.
We didn't vote on it. The coward Paul Martin punted it to the Supreme Court and they forced it on the nation.

There was never any debate or proposed legislation put to the people.
 
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