Canada is a failed state

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mindlessobserver said:
You could just admit you are Americans too...

I've always maintained elsewhere that The American people are the descendants of the European people who conquered North America. Canadians are a major component of that. The United States is just the name of the Government that represents the interests of the American people on the world stage and governs them. US /= A.
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I'd sell my country men out to the Americans in a heartbeat. Canada is just an inferior knock off of America anyway. Except for Quebec which is a bunch of dip shits with annoying accents pretending to be French. (In case you can't tell I really hate Quebec.)
 
King Metalia said:
I'd sell my country men out to the Americans in a heartbeat. Canada is just an inferior knock off of America anyway. Except for Quebec which is a bunch of dip shits with annoying accents pretending to be French. (In case you can't tell I really hate Quebec.)
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Eh, selling it a bit short. From where I sit its just its own thing. Much like how Floridians are different from people in Wisconsin who are different from people in New York.

The Comparison of Canadians as "Knock off Americans" I believe comes from the fact that Canadians are Americans. But Americans administered by Ottawa instead of Washington DC. The United States monopolized the national title of America for the name of its country, but much like how not all Germans live in Germany (Some are in Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Austria, etc) not all Americans are in America. Some happen to be in Canada.

Canada's national identity came from the idea of being "better" Americans. Loyal to the British Empire instead of traitorous rowdies and so on. Its only "knock off" in that sense. But its like saying Austrian's and Switzer Deutsche are Knock Off Germans. The mistake Ottawa has made is that it denies there even is a Canada, let alone that Canada is made up of a native people (Americans) who are not feather Indians. I imagine that really makes the pull of the rowdy uproar to the south where Americans are waving the flag, shooting off guns and shouting 'Murica" rather seductive.
 
mindlessobserver said:
Americans are waving the flag, shooting off guns and shouting 'Murica" rather seductive.
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Went down south for my first July 4th, seeing everyone representing their country heartwarming, something that is completely missing here.

The only Canadian identity I see done lately is apologizing, and that's mostly to whatever band their feet lay.
 
MS-09 DOM said:
Went down south for my first July 4th, seeing everyone representing their country heartwarming, something that is completely missing here.

The only Canadian identity I see done lately is apologizing, and that's mostly to whatever band their feet lay.
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Well just as some power leveling on my perspective, my family came to America on the Hector in 1773. They established themselves in Pictou, Nova Scotia.

Now I say they "Came to America". But Pictou isn't in America today. It's in Canada. The vagaries of fate and war meant that I live south of an International border instead of North of it.

I point this out to illustrate the larger point that "Americans" as a people are not geographically determined by international borders drawn up in Paris.
 
mindlessobserver said:
Eh, selling it a bit short. From where I sit its just its own thing. Much like how Floridians are different from people in Wisconsin who are different from people in New York.

The Comparison of Canadians as "Knock off Americans" I believe comes from the fact that Canadians are Americans. But Americans administered by Ottawa instead of Washington DC. The United States monopolized the national title of America for the name of its country, but much like how not all Germans live in Germany (Some are in Switzerland, Lichtenstein, Austria, etc) not all Americans are in America. Some happen to be in Canada.

Canada's national identity came from the idea of being "better" Americans. Loyal to the British Empire instead of traitorous rowdies and so on. Its only "knock off" in that sense. But its like saying Austrian's and Switzer Deutsche are Knock Off Germans. The mistake Ottawa has made is that it denies there even is a Canada, let alone that Canada is made up of a native people (Americans) who are not feather Indians. I imagine that really makes the pull of the rowdy uproar to the south where Americans are waving the flag, shooting off guns and shouting 'Murica" rather seductive.
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Canada was not more loyal during the American revolution. The governors of the Northern colonies just did a better job of tard wrangling the patriot societies that were dragging everybody to war.
 
Slap47 said:
Canada was not more loyal during the American revolution. The governors of the Northern colonies just did a better job of tard wrangling the patriot societies that were dragging everybody to war.
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I remember reading that most people in Nova Scotia were down to take up arms too with Massachusetts and New York,, but the regional elites were successful in preventing it. Quebec was, well, just Quebec. It didn't care that the Anglos were murdering each other.
 
mindlessobserver said:
I remember reading that most people in Nova Scotia were down to take up arms too with Massachusetts and New York,, but the regional elites were successful in preventing it. Quebec was, well, just Quebec. It didn't care that the Anglos were murdering each other.
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Quebec was actually the most loyal colony because they did not want to dominated by Anglo colonists and the British agreed to protect their noble's privileges and Catholicism.
 
orangecat said:
I've been saying this for years. Canadians are polite on the surface but snarky and gossipy behind people's backs. From my other experiences, Californians are straight up rude (worse than Canadians by a long shot) but Texans are straight up nice (apologize for things, greet strangers, go out of their way to help people). The 'Canadians are nice' thing is a stereotype (though other countries are far worse, obviously).
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I can’t speak to Texans specifically but what I find within America, personally and from other peoples stories, is that true Yankees (Northeast, West Coast, Lacustrine cities) are aggressive dickheads (not friendly, not polite) and then Midwesterners and Southerners are reverses in that neither is truly unfriendly or impolite like Yankees but Midwesterners are more friendly while Southerners are more polite.

English people are polite but actively unfriendly. Mormons and Fargolanders probably both friendly and polite, which is what I’ve always pictured Canadians as.

karaokeman said:
It's like how most African Americans can't trace their ancestral lineages, it makes them as a group very insecure, their culture is just borrowed from mainstream America, and they have to rely on the broad notion of Blackness and slavery as the basis of their identity.
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I have often thought of Blacks as being unhappy when taken out of their ethnic homeland and culture. Somebody here once compared it to the guy (some famous dude) that remarked on how alienated emancipated Jew is compared to the one on the shtetl. Theyre better off when they live in the rural South and think of their world in those terms. Loosely tying it back to my other reply, the ones up North are often said to be rude and hostile, the ones down here friendly and warm (even if still dysfunctional as a culture). What first got me brooding on it years ago was how many Yankees I’d hear say that, and shocked when moving here.
 
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mindlessobserver said:
I remember reading that most people in Nova Scotia were down to take up arms too with Massachusetts and New York,, but the regional elites were successful in preventing it. Quebec was, well, just Quebec. It didn't care that the Anglos were murdering each other.
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It’s because the northern colonies were underpopulated (tons of free real estate) so the going was still good.

Besides Quebec which didn’t join the revolution because the non-loyalist Americans were Protestants that were even more intolerant to Catholics than the British elites.
 
Lobster Cult High Priest said:
It’s because the northern colonies were underpopulated (tons of free real estate) so the going was still good.

Besides Quebec which didn’t join the revolution because the non-loyalist Americans were Protestants that were even more intolerant to Catholics than the British elites.
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A lot of the Middle Colonists weren’t even jazzed about the Patriots for that reason. Germans that had good reason to fear Yankee intolerance (just look at Benjamin Franklin’s view of them as a sort of carpetbagger in Pennsylvania). Quakers whose pacifism made them very unpopular during the Revolution years.

They mostly sat the War out while it raged in New England (as an independence war) and the South (as a civil war).
 
harbringer883 said:
So, can anyone explain what the deal is with those soldiers trying to "cease land" around QC? What does that even mean, since the media haven't bothered explaining?
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I don't really trust the CBC to give the full story. The severe lack of details hints there's a lot of important context they are omitting which justifies or explains what actually happened.
 
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