Canada is a failed state

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Now I'm just a simply country giant robot pilot from Jersey, but I don't think I understand this whole "milk quota" business.

So far as I understand it, it goes something like this. The Canadian government offers subsidies relating to milk production for the purposes of internal food security. Fair enough. Some of these farms produced too much, which is a bad thing because it would crash prices and put them out of business. So they threw it out.

My question is, what bad things would happen if instead of throwing it out, they either:
A. Exported it, OR
B. Gave it to food banks or something (short shelf life, but still)
 
Trump: Reinforce your border or I'll tariff you.
Canada: No. We refuse to protect our own borders and we'll tariff you back.
Trump: Okay. We'll do the same then.
Canada: Now that you've witnessed the mighty power of our (pitiful) tariffs, can you please remove those tariffs even though we've done absolutely nothing productive on our end?
Trump should say no. He asked them to reinforce their own border and they refused.

The negotiation should have gone like this:
Trump: Reinforce your border or I'll tariff you.
Canada: Sure, as long as you do the same on your end (since there are apparently guns coming from the US to Canada).

Trump likely would have agreed (since beefing up borders is a good thing for both sides). No tariffs. No arguments. Negotiating for both sides is what political leaders are supposed to do. Getting all huffy and prideful over basic requests is something a baby does, not a leader.
 
Mister Fister said:
An important concept is the national idea or philosophy that defines a nation. Does Canada even have one?
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Peace, Order, and Good Government are in the founding documents of the nation (the BNAA)

which is a contrast to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Good Government.

How is that all going now? Not that well on the 'order' and good government.

Consider Canada to be a more sobered, arguably conservative version of America- or thats how it started anyways. A more British America, I guess
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
Now I'm just a simply country giant robot pilot from Jersey, but I don't think I understand this whole "milk quota" business.

So far as I understand it, it goes something like this. The Canadian government offers subsidies relating to milk production for the purposes of internal food security. Fair enough. Some of these farms produced too much, which is a bad thing because it would crash prices and put them out of business. So they threw it out.

My question is, what bad things would happen if instead of throwing it out, they either:
A. Exported it, OR
B. Gave it to food banks or something (short shelf life, but still)
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Canada uses milk quotas like US uses farm subsidies.

Instead of stroking a check to the farmer to not farm (USA) they use quotas to restrict supply and artificially increase dairy prices in Canada.

Somehow the dairy cartel has become more politically powerful than every other industry in the country. The consumer pays outrageous prices, its $9+ CAD for a pound of butter, $7 for a gallon of milk.

In USA it’s laundered through the taxpayer so consumers don’t directly pay that subsidy.
 
Lord of the Large Pants said:
Now I'm just a simply country giant robot pilot from Jersey, but I don't think I understand this whole "milk quota" business.

So far as I understand it, it goes something like this. The Canadian government offers subsidies relating to milk production for the purposes of internal food security. Fair enough. Some of these farms produced too much, which is a bad thing because it would crash prices and put them out of business. So they threw it out.
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Sort of. It's not a monetary subsidy. The government sells permits to farms that say "hey man, you're allowed to produce 1 million liters of milk this year" or whatever number. There's a limited number of these permits available, which restricts supply and prevents the market from being oversaturated. If you produce more than your quota, you can't just stop milking the cows because that's not how a cow works. But that milk you get has to be dumped.

Lord of the Large Pants said:
My question is, what bad things would happen if instead of throwing it out, they either:
A. Exported it, OR
B. Gave it to food banks or something (short shelf life, but still)
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Stellar question. I really don't know why this isn't an option. IIRC there's some sort of restriction on exports resulting from NAFTA that generally make it economically unfeasible to export dairy, but I don't know the specifics. Giving it to food banks would also be a great idea, but we just... don't, I guess.

The supply management system is far from perfect and there's definitely kinks like these that need to be ironed out, but I do still generally prefer it over direct subsidization of the dairy industry.
 
CFC-12 said:
Giving it to food banks would also be a great idea, but we just... don't, I guess.
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Why not just turn all that milk into cheese? Throwing it away seems like such a pointless waste. I get that making and storing the cheese would cost money, but it would make the food longer lasting and more easy to transport, and there's plenty of hungry mouths to feed.

Hell, you could even donate it as humanitarian aid. It's better to "waste" money to not throw away food, rather than a myriad of other pointless and retarded social programs.
 
quaawaa said:
Canada unironically was the world leader in AI, but they were unable to commercialize it, so all of the Canadian AI experts left for American companies
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Many such cases
BlackBerry
Hudson's Bay
Nortel
Robinson
Avro Arrow
Bombardier C-Series

I could go on and on. Possibly with better examples if Canadian history and achievements was worth studying.

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Betonhaus said:
Chinal will want BC, and so on.
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I hope this happens. It would make the distant writing on the wall extreme obvious to everyone. East Coast NA should be for Europeans and West Asians only. It has shipping routes to Europe and West Asia.

Also a European and West Asian only state would literally rule the world btw. Most of mankind's innovation and developments to civilization came from both ancient and modern West Eurasians.

No muslims allowed though. And Religion would be neutered a lot regardless. Abrahamic faith's prophesies are just radical, unacceptable political wishes.

We would devote ourselves to the advancement of civilization and take civilization to a type 1 and beyond civilization. West Eurasians are the most god-like sub-species of people.
 
LemonMice said:
I hope this happens. It would make the distant writing on the wall extreme obvious to everyone. East Coast NA should be for Europeans and West Asians only. It has shipping routes to Europe and West Asia.

Also a European and West Asian only state would literally rule the world btw. Most of mankind's innovation and developments to civilization came from both ancient and modern West Eurasians.

No muslims allowed though. And Religion would be neutered a lot regardless. Abrahamic faith's prophesies are just radical, unacceptable political wishes.

We would devote ourselves to the advancement of civilization and take civilization to a type 1 and beyond civilization. West Eurasians are the most god-like sub-species of people.
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or naively optimistic. Anyone not toeing the Chinese party line would be treated as second class citizens. Non-whites will be treated as third and fourth class.
 
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