Canada is a failed state

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kickingstones said:
The quota system is the only thing protecting Canadian farmers from being swallowed up by American milk which would put the majority of Canadian diary farmers out of business.
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I was going to ask you why you believe that Canadian farms wouldn't be able to compete with the price of American dairy. However, after the following post, I assume your argument that it is an issue of scale?
kickingstones said:
Everybody hates factory farms if they put more restrictions on there ability to stupidly make the margins so thin for family farmers who treat there animals humanely and dont flood the market lowering the price of there product that will create a lot more high value careers that can support middle class families on both sides of the border,
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I agree with this, but I don't understand why US dairy would be so cheap that it would put farmers out of business, considering the cost of transportation. If that was the case, then make the already existing tariff on foreign dairy higher.
It seems like quotas are just an artificial market that doesnt need to exist, that has become a billions of dollars asset for milk cartels. And, if there were no quota system, the milk that's getting dumped would be on the Canadian market pushing prices down. Again, I dont know anything about dairy, but when tobacco was still in full swing it was not unusual for farmers to have bales they were unable to sell due to quota and it would be degrading in storage (or sold on the grey market).

To be clear, Im not in favor of across the board free trade with any other country. I'm in favor of international protectionism and decreasing inter-provincial trade barriers. I'm in favor of developing domestic industry and decreasing our reliance on all foreign products. Nobody needs avocado toast, we arent going to die without it. I don't care if I have to buy greenhouse tomatoes for $0.50 more in the winter, rather than Chilean tomatoes.
If China can go from oxen plows to mag-lev trains, in my lifetime, Canada can at least bring our aerospace, tech, and heavy industry back to levels that existed in living memory. Why do we need to sell our lumber to anyone, when it could be used to build homes here? Theres no reason I can think of that doesn't have something to do with lines on a graph going up, which doesnt seem to benefit me, or any of my neighbors.

Maybe I've got this all wrong, I'm just a dumb hick, not some finance jew, but I'm old enough to remember when we exported CANDU reactors all over the world, and I heard enough about AVRO. We have enough arable land to feed everyone here. I'm old enough to remember when Canada was on the leading edge of telecommunications. There's no reason we can't create products that the rest of the world needs to buy. We have the resources, and hopefully, we haven't lost the capability.
 
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Koby_Fish said:
I hasten to add that this person is the poster child for the Reddit sub r/raisedbynarcissists, and their parents were liberal/bloc, and if there's that many narcissists/Cluster B Clusterfucks and people raised by narcissists and other Cluster B Clusterfucks (thus broken) in ol Quebec, it makes the political landscape there make a lot more sense.
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I'm not doubting you but remember narcissism diagnosis have cultural coordinates. Normal in one is narc overdrive in another.

I'd also go as far as to say Canada is a giant covert Cluster-B country for all the substance abuse issues, talk of being the good guy, compassionate, etc. how the fuck could anyone do this to the youth of a nation and then describe themselves "compassionate". Or consider themselves in anyway a contributor to global pollution and environmental issues when you barely even exist and can't accomplish anything. The list is long.
 
Hokuriku said:
The G&M are literally financially partnered with the Century Initiative. John Ivison on the NP also had to write an op-ed about how bad of an unforced fuck-up this is, this is someone who has openly declared on record that he's a personal friend of Carney's.
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It's 50/50 on whether this blows up further. CBC and the like will try and cover for it, but Carney is one hard question away from a temper tantrum over it to make it a running headline. Also has the added side effect of further attracting attention to Carney's investments which he doesn't want to talk about at all.
 
PhoBingas said:
For the record I've never seen American milk products on store shelves. Even the fake plastic cheeses and those goyslop shelf stable milkshakes are still products of Canada made with Canadian milk.
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A few ago here Fairlife milk (ultrafiltered) started being sold, which temporarily was using milk solids from the US (NOT liquid milk - they were allowed to because they didn't yet have a Canadian quota). I tried it, there was nothing wrong with it. Tasted like milk. People were saying "Don't buy it, it's from the US!" (long before Drumpf tariffs) and I was rolling my eyes. Now they're using 100% Canadian milk solids to make this stuff.
YautjaWeeb said:
I'm not doubting you but remember narcissism diagnosis have cultural coordinates. Normal in one is narc overdrive in another.

I'd also go as far as to say Canada is a giant covert Cluster-B country for all the substance abuse issues, talk of being the good guy, compassionate, etc. how the fuck could anyone do this to the youth of a nation and then describe themselves "compassionate". Or consider themselves in anyway a contributor to global pollution and environmental issues when you barely even exist and can't accomplish anything. The list is long.
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Oh yeah I'm well aware there's basically culturally-normified Narcissism in many cultures. I call it "Cultural Narcissism". Asian cultures are especially prone, especially Jeets and Tiger Moms.

Canada has been conditioned to be so fucking passive-aggressive (a huge Cluster B Clusterfuck move) with it's Nice Guy Niceness, that yeah, it's like it's fully endorsing covert narcissisms under the guise of niceness, politeness, etc. Oh and we're taught to hate the Americans, literally because we ain't them.

Narcissists of the Savior-complex variety are particularly troublesome as they get into hug-a-thug, environmental extremism, and shit like that.
 
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Koby_Fish said:
A few ago here Fairlife milk (ultrafiltered) started being sold, which temporarily was using milk solids from the US (NOT liquid milk - they were allowed to because they didn't yet have a Canadian quota). I tried it, there was nothing wrong with it. Tasted like milk. People were saying "Don't buy it, it's from the US!" (long before Drumpf tariffs) and I was rolling my eyes. Now they're using 100% Canadian milk solids to make this stuff.
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I forgot that I knew that the Fairlife Milk in plastic bottles was American.

I have a family member who buys it thinking that the Best Before date months down the road means that it's magic milk that won't sour. Missing the fineprint that it should be consumed within 7 days of opening,
 
I haven't even noticed. I guess all their ad money went to billboards in new york and DC.
 
This guy's gonna get himself shivved lol

Betonhaus said:
I haven't even noticed. I guess all their ad money went to billboards in new york and DC.
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Lots of places don't even have a full roster of candidates yet, I think April 7 is the registration deadline.
 
Hokuriku said:
The G&M are literally financially partnered with the Century Initiative. John Ivison on the NP also had to write an op-ed about how bad of an unforced fuck-up this is, this is someone who has openly declared on record that he's a personal friend of Carney's.


My point is that it'd have to also compete with incomparably superior dairy products from France or Ireland or NZ without an obscene 300% markup. Which would be very funny to try and maintain while Carney is conjuring up ideas about Canada being in the EU.
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We're never going to be able compete with EU quality wise. There environment is ideal for dairy production. They can have there herds in pasture year round which leads to a massive difference in quality.

Most Canadian farms have the cows in some sort of enclosure year round feeding them corn silage. Not great.

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I agree with this, but I don't understand why US dairy would be so cheap that it would put farmers out of business, considering the cost of transportation. If that was the case, then make the already existing tariff on foreign dairy higher.
It seems like quotas are just an artificial market that doesnt need to exist, that has become a billions of dollars asset for milk cartels. And, if there were no quota system, the milk that's getting dumped would be on the Canadian market pushing prices down. Again, I dont know anything about dairy, but when tobacco was still in full swing it was not unusual for farmers to have bales they were unable to sell due to quota and it would be degrading in storage (or sold on the grey market).


The tariffs are the quota system.

Lots of diaries in the great lake states and upstate New York that wouldnt have to incur that heavy of a transportation cost.

As a side note:
We sold our excess milk on the grey market to a lovely group of old school Italians who made wonderful cheese. They didnt speak a word of english but they were very generous. They'd give us there homemade wine that would knock you flat on your ass.
 
do we have time to form a "fuck this shit" party who's goal is to tar and feather all politicians?
 
orangecat said:
Question: Are the parties allowed to change their main candidate at the last minute? Can they make Carney take all the blame for things, then suddenly pull a "Kamala instead of Biden" trick a week before?
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Carney is the Kamala candidate were Trudeau was the candidate they yanked off the ballot because it became too obvious that they had no chance at winning.
 
So I did some Research on Mark Carney and basically the dude seems like ideal fixer for Canada considering the clear economic reform happening by Donald J. Trump. Hopefully they can make something decent happen with the AI arms race soon to occur.
 
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