Canada is a failed state

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Pablo Sanchez said:
The eternal Canadian struggle to discern ourselves from Americans has been a point of mockery, but I think most (either consciously or subconsciously) just viewed Canada as a bilingual extension of 'European North America'. However, the second Canada undertook a policy of swarthification it's fate as a definitive, unique nation was effectively sealed. Canada's internal perception of its national character would change from one of vast nature and pioneers into that of rootless cosmopolitanism and "multiculturalism" being apparent points of pride. You kinda see this epitomized in the emergence of Toronto's international recognition as as the Canadian city, rather than Montreal which is bilingual and much more historic.
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I feel like it shifted from "assholes" who were actually nice, to "nice people" who are actually mean. There were always the passive-aggressive people but I remember growing up we used to chirp and mock them. I remember models and attractive girls would join in and call people who got offended pussies, now ugly women tell us we can't make jokes or banter because people might get offended. Now, I'm supposed to pretend that hockey culture is toxic when the professional players I know are way better people than the neckbeard criticizing them.
 
stupid frog said:
Her brother and father will be in Canada soon, and her boyfriend(?) probably killed her.

You lost one woman, and gained two more men for it.
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It's deeply disappointing to me that the conservative party isn't willing to get hard on immigration, it's clear at this point that they're serving their banker masters. Got to keep the wages low somehow. Otherwise, old stock Canadians would be able to afford to have a house and start a family. And we just can't have that, now can we? Years into the future but not many, Canadian culture will be defined in three words, Rape, poop, and chaos.
 
Pablo Sanchez said:
You kinda see this epitomized in the emergence of Toronto's international recognition as as the Canadian city, rather than Montreal which is bilingual and much more historic.
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To be fair, Toronto becoming the Canadian city has less to do with modernity, and more to do with the French. During the quiet revolution, when the French started insisting that everything in Quebec embrace French first and English second and they had social upheaval, the FLQ, etc- all the businesses in Montreal (which was the old financial capital) basically bailed and fled to Toronto.

What Toronto was before was basically Chicago, just with a more British flair and quieter suburban economy with all the surrounding boroughs/townships.
World Famous Quasi Payer said:
A completely unique mix of North American frontiersmen ship with the mother country's culture. Where as we Americans did are best to distance ourselves from Britain, to make our selves not British. Its a shame such a beautiful land, with a unique culture shaped by the interactions between itself,
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This is a nice way to look at Canada, and it makes me sad that the national character is not this any longer in any discernable way. We've even lost that frontier culture, by and large, and are always looking more south, and less to our great north.
Lobster Cult High Priest said:
Yes my paternal side settled rural Ontario in 1839 (a few years before the Irish famine)
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1632 for me in glorious French Canada apparently, and I'm out of Canada and have been in Europe for awhile. Father's family has been here since forever, except for that time my great, great grandfather decided to walk over the US border into Vermont to annoy the Americans by being French, and then came back a generation later.
kim foxx said:
lol, canadian "multiculturalism" was invented in a lab by ukrainian nazis who decamped to alberta after 1945. anglophone management promoted it as an official ideology specifically as a club to beat the francophones with
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See melting pot vs multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is what Canada had where it was effectively two nations united under the crown. The only real parallels may be things like Austria-Hungary. It can work and we made it work, believe it or not.

I think it actually works when the different cultures have their own zones of influence and mutual respect not to shit on either. Quebec is for the French, the rest of Canada is for the rest of Canadians. If you leave your zone, consider yourself a guest and assimilate in that other zone. I make jokes about my French ancestors being annoying and being French, and this is true- but at some point, we did assimilate and are basically anglos. Multiculturalism doesn't work when you have everyone mixed together in god knows where, noone assimilates, everyone demands you accommodate their own culture and not the native one, and ironically its not even that multicultural because every single migrant is Indian.

America is not multicultural in the modern sense, and in the Canadian sense, only marginally. Its a melting pot. We talked about it earlier in the thread, but the melting pot works much better because everyone is combined into the monoculture, and you take immigrants in, in a slower pace with little change the the central culture except superficial or beneficial things that have been tested over generations.
 
PaleTay said:
I feel like it shifted from "assholes" who were actually nice, to "nice people" who are actually mean. There were always the passive-aggressive people but I remember growing up we used to chirp and mock them. I remember models and attractive girls would join in and call people who got offended pussies, now ugly women tell us we can't make jokes or banter because people might get offended. Now, I'm supposed to pretend that hockey culture is toxic when the professional players I know are way better people than the neckbeard criticizing them.
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100%. The passive-aggressive 'nice guy' hyper-lib veneer has ubiquitously spread across Canada's social fabric. Outward jabs at Americans were always there, but as the nation has transformed into a continental dumpster fire, the intensity of the copium has seemingly only grown stronger. e.g "if we ever get sad, at least we can get our feelings checked at the hospital for FREE!" . I lived abroad for awhile and every Canadian I met was insufferable, completely absorbed by cosmopolitan brainrot without any greater purpose.

"Hockey culture = toxic" can be seen as a phenomenon of obnoxious leftists and browns seething that a definitively Canadian space for boys/young men ever existed. It's really opened my mind to the fact that millions of resentful masses have been anxiously waiting for literally ANY opportunity to demonize white/old stock Canadians. Now the floodgates are open and every disgruntled homosexual and swarthoid is coming out with another string of allegedly "racist" microaggressions they faced growing up in hockey dressing rooms. This way, they can leverage these claims for social gain while benefiting from the very privileges these supposed "evil white men" bestowed upon their kind.

melty said:
I feel like a lot of the current problems with European countries as well as Canada is they look at the US and think that we're doing diversity wrong and they can do it way better and get all the benefits (which do exist) and ALSO have less racism, because they think they are better people than racist Americans. Now everybody is finding out that having a diverse society is not easy and magical, and actually America knows what it's doing and has been doing it better than them the whole time.
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A lot of it comes down to nationalism being a very taboo subject for most Western nations. Growing up, American patriotism was largely looked at by many Canadians as a cult-like phenomenon; driving down south and seeing an American flag flown by the majority of houses was a bit of a culture shock despite all of the similarities carried by Canada. In reality, if your nation insists upon immigration, it needs to be both restrictive in admittance and accompanied with a strong 'nationalistic' core to offset inherent divides posed by ethnic/cultural divisions. America is probably the closest nation to having succeeded in this endeavour. DiscoRodeo summarized it quite well above.

World Famous Quasi Payer said:
As an American, the thing that made Canada different from the United States to me was the loyalty showed to the crown during the revolutionary war, and the war of 1812. Canada was/is the Britain of North America with a bit of France added in. A completely unique mix of North American frontiersmen ship with the mother country's culture. Where as we Americans did are best to distance ourselves from Britain, to make our selves not British. Its a shame such a beautiful land, with a unique culture shaped by the interactions between itself, America, and the mother nation is being destroyed in the name of neoliberal economics and brown worship.
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Well said.

DiscoRodeo said:
To be fair, Toronto becoming the Canadian city has less to do with modernity, and more to do with the French. During the quiet revolution, when the French started insisting that everything in Quebec embrace French first and English second and they had social upheaval, the FLQ, etc- all the businesses in Montreal (which was the old financial capital) basically bailed and fled to Toronto.
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Yeah, it's why so many Anglo Ontarians had parents that worked in Montreal but moved westwards in the 80s/90s. I'd still wager that the explosion of Torontonian "culture" and "media" can be seen as a microchasm for "post-national" Canada - a cesspool of mystery meat ethnics, "roadmen", and god forbid that horrid accent. What a fucking nightmare.

DiscoRodeo said:
See melting pot vs multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is what Canada had where it was effectively two nations united under the crown. The only real parallels may be things like Austria-Hungary. It can work and we made it work, believe it or not.
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"Pro-diversity" Canadians may not want to admit this obvious yet 'uncomfortable' truth, but the reason Clifford Sifton's policies of settling massive amounts of Ukranians/Icelanders/Norwegians/Germans across the West of Canada ended up working for a time is that it was 99.9% European populations who conformed to the greater White Anglo monoculture within a generation. Quebec was left as a borderline ethnostate in the East and areas like PEI and the Maritimes were able to retain strong Scottish/Irish ethnic roots.
 
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DiscoRodeo said:
America is not multicultural in the modern sense, and in the Canadian sense, only marginally. Its a melting pot. We talked about it earlier in the thread, but the melting pot works much better because everyone is combined into the monoculture, and you take immigrants in, in a slower pace with little change the the central culture except superficial or beneficial things that have been tested over generations.
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The meltan pot meme only works when everyone conforms to the superior culture that's dominant due to its self-evident superiority. You need total integration. Nobody communicates anymore in their native language, not even at home. No ghettos or bubbles. If someone in your ethnic group is selling drugs or escaped a nasty criminal charge on a technicality, you and a bunch of others put them in a body cast or a grave.
And even then, what little success the United States can be said to have had with this approach is really only due to how huge and rich the country is. Massive personal debt and the promotion of degenerate lifestyles are now making even that trivial.
 
Pablo Sanchez said:
"Hockey culture = toxic" can be seen as a phenomenon of obnoxious leftists and browns seething that a definitively Canadian space for boys/young men ever existed. It's really opened my mind to the fact that millions of resentful masses have been anxiously waiting for literally ANY opportunity to demonize white/old stock Canadians. Now the floodgates are open and every disgruntled homosexual and swarthoid is coming out with another string of allegedly "racist" microaggressions they faced growing up in hockey dressing rooms. This way, they can leverage these claims for social gain while benefiting from the very privileges these supposed "evil white men" bestowed upon their kind.
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I find it ironic that Kyle Beach is the guy who opened the floodgates on that, I'll take him at face value but there's a million reasons no one who knew him even a little bit has come out in support of him.
 
Pablo Sanchez said:
Random but does anyone notice that the Canadian flag is pretty much never flown anymore? It seems like every two weeks there's some other "reason" to fly it at half mast, or if it is flown at full it's accompanied with the neo-sodomy pride flag.
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There are no flags more due to the feds and our institutions telling the common citizenry we don't have a Canadian identity any more, and those niggerfaggots bought it.
Say what ever you want about Quebec and how rude and gay they are, at least they have a identity they are willing to enforce it.
melty said:
How does Canada think it competes with that?
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I think we did due to us being a British colony until 1982. We did get a lot of different types of people from all over the British colonies due to our unique way of handling the Brits. I believe this is where we got our "multi-cultural" stance from. Thing is most of these colonies where these immigrants came from still held common law values, unlike today where we get the niggercattle of the third world now.


One thing becoming a lawfag is trying to stop this decay of society ever-so slightly though forcing the courts to use common sense. Unfortunately the "ruling" class pass the laws, and they all suck. If anyone watched/read parliament after question period, it's extremely disheartening seeing a majority of the house of commons leave, and the few MP's who give a shit try and bring up issues in their community. Feels bad man.
 
Whereas Canada has no churches and is accordingly a Satanic pissstain upon the Earth.
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melty said:
People know Canada for things like maple syrup, mounties, poutine... oh and Canadians being nice.
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I'm convinced the "nice" thing has a lot to do with city vs suburb life.

I used to live in a more densely populated university town, close to the university I worked at back when I played around with numbers for a living. The people I would see around me when I would go for walks always looked so dead in the eyes. Very isolationist, like individualism gone horribly wrong. When you live on some random floor in a concrete box on INSERT STREET NAME HERE, it's very difficult to have any sense of community or belonging. Plus, you see some crazy shit over time when living in such areas. Keeping to yourself becomes a matter of safety.

For the longest time, Canadian cities had the advantage of having much smaller populations than similarly sized American cities. This lack of "nice" qualities Americans would notice in each other over the last many decades is a forecast of what's to come as our housing becomes significantly more high density. Anyone else here ever notice how many high density housing projects are popping up in formerly quiet suburban areas, often where a nice patch of trees used to be? The types of people who end up in such housing developments is another related issue that could be its own post.
 
y a t s said:
For the longest time, Canadian cities had the advantage of having much smaller populations than similarly sized American cities. This lack of "nice" qualities Americans would notice in each other over the last many decades is a forecast of what's to come as our housing becomes significantly more high density. Anyone else here ever notice how many high density housing projects are popping up in formerly quiet suburban areas, often where a nice patch of trees used to be? The types of people who end up in such housing developments is another related issue that could be its own post.
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I remember as a kid there were only three metropolitan areas in the country that had a population of over one million: The GTA, Vancouver, and Montreal. Fast forward thirty years and you can add Ottawa-Gatineau, Calgary, and Edmonton to that list. As for high-density projects, I have seen only being one in my neighborhood where there are townhomes hugging the LRT line.
 
y a t s said:
I'm convinced the "nice" thing has a lot to do with city vs suburb life.

I used to live in a more densely populated university town, close to the university I worked at back when I played around with numbers for a living. The people I would see around me when I would go for walks always looked so dead in the eyes. Very isolationist, like individualism gone horribly wrong. When you live on some random floor in a concrete box on INSERT STREET NAME HERE, it's very difficult to have any sense of community or belonging. Plus, you see some crazy shit over time when living in such areas. Keeping to yourself becomes a matter of safety.

For the longest time, Canadian cities had the advantage of having much smaller populations than similarly sized American cities. This lack of "nice" qualities Americans would notice in each other over the last many decades is a forecast of what's to come as our housing becomes significantly more high density. Anyone else here ever notice how many high density housing projects are popping up in formerly quiet suburban areas, often where a nice patch of trees used to be? The types of people who end up in such housing developments is another related issue that could be its own post.
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"Nice" was always tourist crap.

Yeah you went to a tourist trap and shockingly all the locals are super unusually friendly.

I'm not convinced there's any difference between most of Canada and non huge metro areas in the USA. Like of course everyone in New York is an asshole and everyone in LA is phoney. Outside of that? Expect the same friendliness on average.
 
Walked by the TV earlier to see the treasonous whores on CP24 pretending to be upset about a Puerto Rico joke. That's a bit rich, given they were cheerleading former Judiciary Minister David Lametti, AKA the bloated, geriatric tapeworm who was joking about running people like me over with a tank just under three years ago.

This on a "Canadian" news network, where the ticker was talking about some natural disaster in China for some reason, by the way.
 
y a t s said:
I'm convinced the "nice" thing has a lot to do with city vs suburb life.

I used to live in a more densely populated university town, close to the university I worked at back when I played around with numbers for a living. The people I would see around me when I would go for walks always looked so dead in the eyes. Very isolationist, like individualism gone horribly wrong. When you live on some random floor in a concrete box on INSERT STREET NAME HERE, it's very difficult to have any sense of community or belonging. Plus, you see some crazy shit over time when living in such areas. Keeping to yourself becomes a matter of safety.

For the longest time, Canadian cities had the advantage of having much smaller populations than similarly sized American cities. This lack of "nice" qualities Americans would notice in each other over the last many decades is a forecast of what's to come as our housing becomes significantly more high density. Anyone else here ever notice how many high density housing projects are popping up in formerly quiet suburban areas, often where a nice patch of trees used to be? The types of people who end up in such housing developments is another related issue that could be its own post.
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I do think it's for a slightly different reason, growing up it seemed like Canadians were on average just better due to the lower population especially when you got into the middle class areas. I grew up in a pretty rough area so I was exposed to some stuff at a young age and in my immediate surroundings, but once I got into middle school I was able to surround myself with people who were just better, some of them still saw crazy shit but it was more like visiting a zoo than watching their home get destroyed. I do think university is too short to form meaningful communities, and if you went to a nice high school your peers become uglier and meaner which is hard for a lot of people.

In essence, especially for tourists, you used to be able to curate who you see. I feel like most cities have just gotten meaner and far uglier and you used to be able to pretend that demographic of people didn't exist with just a little money but now can't avoid it with a lot of money.
 
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