Canada is a failed state

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wry wrangler said:
I don't disagree that the current practice of legally enabling drug use is an abysmal failure that has only increased harms for drug users and the wider society, but forced treatment isn't the answer. If you want such a program to stick in the courts, you need to amend the constitution to modify the right to security of the person. There is just no universe in which compelled medical treatment would be constitutional, except in the very limited set of circumstances in which a person poses an immediate threat to harm themselves or others (e.g. psychiatric commitment of suicidal people).

In addition to being blatantly unconstitutional, it just won't work from a medical standpoint. The only real barrier to an addict's sobriety is their own will to become sober; if an addict doesn't want to become sober there's nothing you can do to compel him to sobriety. A majority of currently addicted persons don't want to become sober, although many of them may reach that point some time in the future. Even the best treatment programs attended voluntarily only have success rates of something like 20-30% anyways. A return to emphasizing law enforcement would be a much better idea, as first contact with law enforcement has historically been one of the first steps in many addicts' road to recovery.
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I don't blame addicts for not wanting to be sober when our current society is a hell hole. We should just have people strap suicide vests to the homeless and direct them towards CEO Gated neighbourhoods and politician offices.
 
HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS said:
What in frustrated me is the fact that jeets think they are better than Canadians cuz of druggies. What the fuck.
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We're still ahead of them on the rapist front, though.
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mindlessobserver said:
It was absolutely jarring. Even the US Urban-Rural divide is not that severe.
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I’ve been losing it for a while. I’ve never been to the states. But I watch a lot of videos. Just from people walking around in these ghettos I noticed the per capita numbers. There were less drugged out homeless people on average compared to my own reality. I pondered if the issues here were worse based on our population levels.

Well, I was correct. Half has much the population, 55 thousand more homeless.
 
mindlessobserver said:
Probably made worse by the fact most of your population is also holed up in a few major cities.
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Can confirm that some small towns incorrectly fill out surveys as some people will ditch their houses completely, sometimes they come back but sometimes they will abandon them and it wont be changed for a bit, also small towns can still hold large groups of vagrants, this is also not counting people on reserves either I assume. Oh also people getting displaced due to natural disasters as well.
 
BeetleBug242 said:
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I’ve been losing it for a while. I’ve never been to the states. But I watch a lot of videos. Just from people walking around in these ghettos I noticed the per capita numbers. There were less drugged out homeless people on average compared to my own reality. I pondered if the issues here were worse based on our population levels.

Well, I was correct. Half has much the population, 55 thousand more homeless.
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In America you can be a druggie, have a family and still own a house. It will be difficult but path to recovery is a lot easier and less devastating.


In Canada, tent city is common....in nearly every major cities. Some cities made it illegal and busses their homeless encampment to cities like hamilton where homelessness is embraced as part of their compassion approach to tent encampment. With "safe injection site" in BC, drug overdose has gone up 300% per year. So called safe supply is misappropriated to street drug dealers and traffickers. Its absolutely insane.

What used to be a rare sight is pretty much found in every cities that has priced out local Canadians. Those who do remain in downtown areas only do so because they live in rent controlled apartments (no more than 2.5% increase a year) and receive social assistance which is about $1200 a month for Canadians with disability and $800 for people who don't have any issue but need money anyway. Meanwhile, rapefugees live in hotels, motels, temporary housing and Canada now spends billions housing them, providing them free MOBILE health care, and allow massive food voucher every day.

And they don't work. They don't do anything. They live off the government.

Canada is footstep next to america and has gone through extensive liberal and commie social engineering & it's a calamity.

The most unproductive country in g7. One of the highest taxes paid for shittest services received.

Canadians die to the tune of 20000 a year while waiting for care. Let's not forget about legalized suicide called MAID which allows patients to kill themselves. Every year, assisted medical suicide has seen a growth rate 25+% and possibly going to reach 20000-30000 per year in 2024. Medical professionals also "encourage" patients to explore MAID as an option to end their life. It's fucking malpractice to the highest order. MAID now represents 5% of total population mortality per year.

All this is happening right next to US door steps. This is the end result of socialist/commie/liberal elite agenda. They want you dead, used up, drugged up, broken in pieces and demoralized utterly and completely.
 
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Never Scored said:
I feel so vindicated. I was on Reddit and shit back in like 2013 saying that these programs suppressed wages, drove up housing, had little benefit to the average Canadian and were basically slavery and was called racist online for it. That's a downright mainstream opinion now.
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Nah, their main concern is 'those heckin poor workerinos'
Baraka Obama said:
This report focuses on farm work temporary hires and I strongly disagree with the findings. Farm labour is really hard to come by in Canada, there are not enough people willing to work for minimum wage (which is already insanely high) in the middle of the countryside. So they bring in people from the Caribbean seasonally to work, most of these people are making good money for a Caribbean country and only need to work a few months in Canada to cover the rest of the year. Most of these farms have a really good relationship with their TFW and hire the same people year over year as they develop good skills.

These people aren't abusing the system to come into Canada.

As a contrast, the TFW program for low wage earners means that every Tim Hortons and Subway franchise in the country is avoiding hiring actual Canadian teenagers and instead mass importing Pajeets. This lowers wages and raises housing prices but both sides of that system are exploiting each other. The worthless UN report doesn't even care about that side.
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There's no reason we should have to import labour when jobs are as rare as they are. That's just funneling money out of the country.
 
Never Scored said:
I feel so vindicated. I was on Reddit and shit back in like 2013 saying that these programs suppressed wages, drove up housing, had little benefit to the average Canadian and were basically slavery and was called racist online for it. That's a downright mainstream opinion now.
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I personally felt it wasn't a big deal back in 2013.
Now it's.....holy fuck.
 
Baraka Obama said:
This report focuses on farm work temporary hires and I strongly disagree with the findings. Farm labour is really hard to come by in Canada, there are not enough people willing to work for minimum wage (which is already insanely high) in the middle of the countryside. So they bring in people from the Caribbean seasonally to work, most of these people are making good money for a Caribbean country and only need to work a few months in Canada to cover the rest of the year. Most of these farms have a really good relationship with their TFW and hire the same people year over year as they develop good skills.

These people aren't abusing the system to come into Canada.

As a contrast, the TFW program for low wage earners means that every Tim Hortons and Subway franchise in the country is avoiding hiring actual Canadian teenagers and instead mass importing Pajeets. This lowers wages and raises housing prices but both sides of that system are exploiting each other. The worthless UN report doesn't even care about that side.
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Before TFW programs were a thing, farmers usually hired teenagers during the summer break for help around the farm and got by just fine.
 
Kiwisee said:
Before TFW programs were a thing, farmers usually hired teenagers during the summer break for help around the farm and got by just fine.
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I'd like to see the TFW program sorted out or removed altogether, but in the current era, teens won't work on farms when they can get 40hrs working at a drive thru, retail or something similar.

You need to keep in mind that farmers (not giant factory farms, but family run farms) make barely anything on their crops these days. Does the government need to step in and force grocers to stop acquiring foodstuffs from outside the country? Maybe? I can't answer that, could be that farmers need to get together and ensure they're paid properly for the risk they take in growing crops and the work put into them. As it stands currently, crops buyers make the most money in the equation, with grocers making the next largest sum, farmers coming in last. The result is that profit margins are razorthin, farmers can't really offer more than $15/h for backbreaking labor in the sun, and when I was a kid I worked anywhere other than a farm as a result. My friends did the same. My dad grew up on a farm and used to give me shit for refusing to go work for his friend picking strawberries, but slinging icecream to tourists was a helluva lot more preferable to bending over a bush for hours with minimal breaks. I had AC at least.

If you can get $19/h cleaning offices and bathrooms for a company or the government, or $20+/h being manual labor for construction, why wouldn't you choose that instead of being eaten by flies all day picking crop for someone else?

All I know for certain is that overloading the country with foreign labor to keep wages low isn't helping anyone that needs help. It's just making the rich richer, and keeping farmers going. There has to be a way to solve this issue, but I won't claim to be smart enough to know what it is without further research.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
I'd like to see the TFW program sorted out or removed altogether, but in the current era, teens won't work on farms when they can get 40hrs working at a drive thru, retail or something similar.

You need to keep in mind that farmers (not giant factory farms, but family run farms) make barely anything on their crops these days. Does the government need to step in and force grocers to stop acquiring foodstuffs from outside the country? Maybe? I can't answer that, could be that farmers need to get together and ensure they're paid properly for the risk they take in growing crops and the work put into them. As it stands currently, crops buyers make the most money in the equation, with grocers making the next largest sum, farmers coming in last. The result is that profit margins are razorthin, farmers can't really offer more than $15/h for backbreaking labor in the sun, and when I was a kid I worked anywhere other than a farm as a result. My friends did the same. My dad grew up on a farm and used to give me shit for refusing to go work for his friend picking strawberries, but slinging icecream to tourists was a helluva lot more preferable to bending over a bush for hours with minimal breaks. I had AC at least.

If you can get $19/h cleaning offices and bathrooms for a company or the government, or $20+/h being manual labor for construction, why wouldn't you choose that instead of being eaten by flies all day picking crop for someone else?

All I know for certain is that overloading the country with foreign labor to keep wages low isn't helping anyone that needs help. It's just making the rich richer, and keeping farmers going. There has to be a way to solve this issue, but I won't claim to be smart enough to know what it is without further research.
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I think we can get creative with accommodating farming sector. Make farming cheaper, for instance. No tax and/or deferred tax on all crops yielded per hectare/acre, fuel and gas subsidies/tax exemption, no hst/GST collected, and capping the cost of land for farming for small farmers.

Right now inflation is hitting everyone including farmers looking to start up something. It costs millions of dollars just to get up and running. It's crazy expensive to farm. That's why you see more and more farmers opting to sell their land for millions to bigger corporation/farmer because it's better than going bankrupt.

The entire economy is hellbent on making farming impossible. Changing that will inevitably make farming more attractive and we will see rural town boom once again.
 
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