🐱 Can Video Games Help Tackle Extremism?

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“A man goes to the doctor, and the doctor says, ‘What's the problem?’ The man says, ‘Well, I'm dead.’ The doctor looks at him sitting in the chair and says, ‘You're not dead. You're sitting in my chair. You walked into my office.’ The man says, ‘No, no, no, no, I'm dead.’ The doctor says, ‘I'll prove to you that you're not dead. Let me ask you a question: do dead men bleed?’ The man says, ‘No, of course not, everybody knows the heart has stopped - dead men don't bleed.’ The doctor grabs the guy's hand, picks up a pin and stabs the guy with a pin in his finger and says, ‘Look!’ The guy looks at his finger and says, ‘Son of a gun. Dead men do bleed.’”

Larry Kuperman is the director of business development at Nightdive Studios, but he’s talking to me today about a different kind of business. The Jewish-American lecturer and games industry professional wants to talk about extremism, and whether or not video games can be a tool in helping to stamp it out. He’s telling me this joke through his camera on Zoom, wearing a T-shirt that reads, “Jesus: the original social justice warrior.”

“If 2020 taught us one thing, it's that politics is not separate from life,” Kuperman says. “It's not separate from any aspect of life. I do not know any company in the games industry larger than four or five people that wasn't impacted by COVID, and the response to COVID worldwide was dictated by politics. I don't think that people would have thought about that prior to last year.”

Kuperman has recently been working with a non-profit organisation called Beyond Barriers, a charity created by former neo-Nazis who escaped the iron grip of extremism and now hope to help other people make the same journey. Working with that charity and giving talks like “Nationalism: the other God that failed”, Kuperman wants to help this reformation along. He thinks video games could possibly do their part, too.

Video game publishers are notoriously scared of allowing their developers’ works to explicitly say anything. However, saying nothing often still sends a message. Think about how many military shooters you’ve played in recent years that claim to be apolitical while sanitising America’s actions in conflict zones, or simply rewriting history to paint Russia as the only nation that’s capable of committing atrocities. Think about how many games are inherently jingoistic, show gun ownership as a good thing, or give you their in-game orders via a digital President.

“Patriotism is saying ‘my country is great’, and that's all fine,” Kuperman explains. “Nationalism is saying my country's [the] greatest. If you're out there saying ‘my country is the greatest country in the world’, whether it's America or England, it doesn't really matter. You think about the presentation in games, it's not just saying, ‘Oh, my country is the greatest country’. It's saying, ‘my country is the greatest country, and this game involves shooting people that don't look like me’. It's not like saying, ‘we're going to beat Myanmar in a spelling bee’. We're taking those sentiments, and we're applying a certain amount of violence to them. I think that's the real threat.”

Much of this is defined by industry assumptions. While things are becoming more global - especially now that development is remote and studios are more open to recruiting from around the globe - the industry still has a very Western view of the world. That means the games we create are informed by that perspective, and the people whose job it is to sell games are terrified of alienating their core audience. This fear of the audience has begun to spread to other regions. You can see it in the Blizzard controversy of 2019, where a professional Hearthstone player was banned for saying “free Hong Kong” on a broadcast. You can see it in the Taiwanese horror game Devotion being pulled from Steam due to political controversies. Video games are an artform, but they’re still driven by numbers.

“What drives those things is not necessarily a deep-seated prejudice,” Kuperman explains. “Those deep-seated prejudices may be revealed in the games, but what drives the creation of those games? Money. History has shown us that the games industry can contribute to prejudices, nationalism, jingoism, to all the ugly -isms. But I also think that as the games economy changes, as markets like China open up, if you're a mobile games developer, you probably at least want to have a passing thought about the market in India and Nigeria, which is, I think, the fifth-largest, you know, games country. So if you want to sell your games to maximum potential, you want to have a little bit more of an international point of view.”

Games are part of the cultural impact spectrum. Of course, nobody gets their entire world beliefs from video games, but they’re a part of the media landscape that shapes public opinion, along with movies, TV, books, music, social media, and YouTube. Like movies and books, video games have the opportunity to allow us to empathise with people who aren’t like us, but they’d often rather have us shoot them in the face.

“We've had figures that have emerged that have had real-world impact,” Kuperman says. “Milo [Yiannopoulos] was lecturing at universities here in America before, I think he's in Australia and bankrupt these days. But Steve Bannon, who's been instrumental in some of the [US] politics came out of the GamerGate era. I think that what the games culture did, it wasn't that that it made people prejudiced or nationalistic, or any of the other things, but I think that what games culture did is it gave them forums - where they could unite with other people who shared their same points of view. And I think that a lot of those, you know, 4chan and 8chan, [their] roots are in the gaming world, right? So I think that it's kind of undeniable, particularly if you look at the history of GamerGate, that contributed to the situation. So if it can push people that have this predilection further into that realm, it stands to reason that we can at least stop doing that, if not bring them back the other way.”


The games industry has a tendency to get too protective over games potentially being able to negatively impact someone’s worldview. It’s understandable - video games have been used as a scapegoat for political gain for Conservatives basically since they existed. However, our industry always touts their benefits. If games can help you through a depressive episode or impact you in any other positive way, there’s a chance the opposite is true. It’s something we should be mindful of - especially as sub-communities sprout up around games and extend beyond the games themselves. You can see from here at a glance how the content of a game can affect the community, where hardcore competitive games like Rainbow Six Siege tend to foster unwelcoming communities, while cooperative games like Fallout 76 promote togetherness.

“If you start off selling a game that's America First, and you have more America First-ism in that game, you're just sending people further, further down that path,” Kuperman says. Basically, if a doctor can’t convince a man he’s not dead, maybe it’s time for video games to have a try. As the market becomes less US-centric, perhaps we’ll start seeing a wider range of perspectives, and maybe video games will help pull someone back from the brink of extremism while we're at it.
 
Video game publishers are notoriously scared of allowing their developers’ works to explicitly say anything. However, saying nothing often still sends a message. Think about how many military shooters you’ve played in recent years that claim to be apolitical while sanitising America’s actions in conflict zones, or simply rewriting history to paint Russia as the only nation that’s capable of committing atrocities. Think about how many games are inherently jingoistic, show gun ownership as a good thing, or give you their in-game orders via a digital President.

So the problem is they show politics you disagree with?

Much of this is defined by industry assumptions. While things are becoming more global - especially now that development is remote and studios are more open to recruiting from around the globe - the industry still has a very Western view of the world. That means the games we create are informed by that perspective, and the people whose job it is to sell games are terrified of alienating their core audience. This fear of the audience has begun to spread to other regions. You can see it in the Blizzard controversy of 2019, where a professional Hearthstone player was banned for saying “free Hong Kong” on a broadcast. You can see it in the Taiwanese horror game Devotion being pulled from Steam due to political controversies. Video games are an artform, but they’re still driven by numbers.

Literally nobody in those countries care tho. Like Osoma played games where he was the bad guy.

Like what do you even want video games to be bro? Military is out since you specifically complained about it. Civilians are out since you complained about how that would show gun ownership in a positive light. What does that leave? Cops would still be considered political so I guess all you can play is a criminal who commits firearm crimes all day every day. That isn't exactly sending a positive message either though. Even Mario gets orders from the closest thing his nation has to a President and is fighting people who don't look exactly like him.
 
No. They cause it, stupid.

Edit: gamers... you know what to do. Our time is close, I can feel it. BOTTOM TEXT, brothers. Bottom fucking text.

E2: I'll read the article later.

Edit3, for extra de-glowing purposes: I'm not saying gamers should just fucking go for it and see what happens, or anything, not that it wouldn't make for some sick livestreams, just that there's been a lot of talk among gamers, for some time now, about certain activities. This talk must stop. I don't care how tempting it might seem, to... do that, but believe me, bucko, you wouldn't like it. Don't.. do the fuck that. On the signal.
 
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I don't give a shit about trying to stop this shit any more. Just let the gaming industry kill itself pandering to weirdos with no money.

I don't give a single solitary fuck. I've got more games in my collection than I could ever play. I'd never buy another game again and still never be able to play them all.
 
I mean, theoretically any form of media can tackle an subject. But it’s... it’s fucking video games. The people who make them I doubt have enough know- AND THERE’S THEM MENTIONING GAMERGATE.

Holy shit. It’s been 7 Fucking years, the level of obsession is insane. I was 12 -13 when that happened, do they have anything better to talk about?
 
Video games can tackle farts and poop, not extremism sorry. Please see "The binding of isaac" for details.
 
I thought they were already doing that with the "Punch/Kill Nazis" message in the recent Wolfenstein games.
 
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“Patriotism is saying ‘my country is great’, and that's all fine,” Kuperman explains. “Nationalism is saying my country's [the] greatest. If you're out there saying ‘my country is the greatest country in the world’, whether it's America or England, it doesn't really matter. You think about the presentation in games, it's not just saying, ‘Oh, my country is the greatest country’. It's saying, ‘my country is the greatest country, and this game involves shooting people that don't look like me’. It's not like saying, ‘we're going to beat Myanmar in a spelling bee’. We're taking those sentiments, and we're applying a certain amount of violence to them. I think that's the real threat.”
Oh fuck off. If there was a game in the theme of the Shaft movies and you just went around killing all white mafia dudes, I imagine this cuck would be on all fours sucking it off.

“If you start off selling a game that's America First, and you have more America First-ism in that game, you're just sending people further, further down that path,” Kuperman says. Basically, if a doctor can’t convince a man he’s not dead, maybe it’s time for video games to have a try. As the market becomes less US-centric, perhaps we’ll start seeing a wider range of perspectives, and maybe video games will help pull someone back from the brink of extremism while we're at it.
"America bad because too much Jingoism" - Nigga, the fuck? You saw China and its computer games? Every single hit is Wuxia or Three Kingdoms and talking about how amazing the Han is. You think some indie group in Africa is going to make vidya games about how terrible the country is and why Ebola is so rampant?
 
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