Disaster Camp Fire death toll 85 (2018) - Paradise Lost

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/11/10/butte-county-deadly-camp-fire-consumes-100000-acres/
BUTTE COUNTY — The death toll for the Camp Fire soared to 23 on Saturday, as authorities began the grim task of discovering bodies in the ashes of Paradise, a town overcome by the firestorm this week.

The fire, roaring about 100 miles north of Sacramento, is already the most destructive fire in California history, consuming 105,000 acres and destroying nearly 7,000 structures — in its first 48 hours. And it may soon become the deadliest.

“We are doing everything we possibly can to identify those remains and make contact with the next of kin,” said Butte County Sheriff-Coroner Kory Honea. “My heart goes out to those people.”

Four of the bodies were discovered in the town of Concow, just west of where the fire started early Thursday morning. Ten more were discovered Saturday in Paradise, where officials had already announced on Friday nine people were killed.

Only two fires have claimed more lives — the 1933 Griffith Park fire in Los Angeles, which killed 29, and the Oakland Hills fire in 1991, which killed 25. Last year, several fires across Northern California killed 44 people in the Wine Country.

Authorities said they were unable to identify many of the remains because they were so badly burned. They are turning to a Department of Justice DNA lab truck and California State University Chico anthropology team to help identify the remains.

With heavy winds expected to last through Monday, officials fear the historic blaze is far from finished with its ruinous path.

“Dry, dry, dry conditions,” said National Weather Service forecaster Johnnie Powell. “That’s what’s making this super unusual.”

Wind gusts are expected up to 50 mph, triggering Red Flag Warnings for high risk fire danger, and northeasterly winds are pushing the Camp Fire’s thick unhealthy smoke into the Bay Area, canceling outdoor events through the weekend.


Typically, the region sees more rain in the fall, but this year has been especially dry. There may be “a hint of rain” the week of Thanksgiving, Powell said, but until then firefighters are working under tough conditions.

And while air crews tried to take advantage of calmer winds Saturday to attack the deadly blaze burning near Paradise, the fire was just 20 percent contained and spreading on two fronts, to the north toward Stirling City and south toward Lake Oroville, home to the nation’s tallest dam.

In February 2017, more than 180,000 residents were evacuated from the region near the Oroville Dam when a damaged emergency spillway threatened to release a 30-foot wall of water into nearby communities after a winter of heavy rains. Dam officials frantically shored up the spillway and lowered the lake levels to avoid a catastrophe.

Now, construction operations at the Oroville Dam spillways have been shut down because of the fire, said Erin Mellon, a spokeswoman for the Department of Water Resources. The department is wetting down areas at risk of catching fire and placing backup generators in key locations to prepare for a possible power outage or the loss of power lines.

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OROVILLE, CA – NOVEMBER 10: The CHP mans a roadblock on Highway 162 at Forbestown Road in Oroville, Calif., after a mandatory evacuation order of towns to the east had been ordered. The Camp Fire continues to burn southward, Saturday, November 10, 2018. (Karl Mondon/Bay Area News Group)
Some workers have lost their homes in the blaze already, and the department was drawing up plans to continue managing water storage and delivery operations remotely in case the dam needs to be evacuated.

“It’s just an awful thing to see happen year after year,” Mellon said of California’s recent rash of deadly wildfires.

Darvis McCoy is bracing for another order to flee his home. He retired from the Santa Clara Valley Water District a few years ago and moved to Oroville.

“Getting a little tired of this,” McCoy said Saturday as he prepared to evacuate for the third time in less than two years. “My wife is back at the house now packing, and I told her don’t bother making the beds in case we lose the house.”

Already, the Camp Fire has forced 52,000 people from their homes. On Saturday, the blaze was still threatening some 15,000 structures, and dozens of people are reportedly still missing.

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PARADISE, CALIFORNIA – NOVEMBER 10: Law enforcement officials search in the rubble of a property on Windsong Lane and Neal Road after the Camp Fire destroyed more than 100,000 acres in Paradise, Calif., on Friday, Nov. 9, 2018. The fire has killed at least 23 people and destroyed nearly 7,000 structures. (Ray Chavez/Bay Area News Group)
Marie Wehe’s family was desperate to hear from her after she was last seen leaving her home in the tiny town of Concow, just west of where the fire started, in a gold 2000 Chevy Silverado with disabled plates.

“The neighbor thankfully told my grandma to get out, as it was at her back fence,” said her granddaughter, Rosemary Flansaas. “But we don’t know if she made it out because we have not gotten a call or anything. We think she is stuck in there or didn’t make it.”

Paradise, just days ago home to about 26,000 residents, has been reduced to charred rubble. Few structures remain standing. On Saturday, fire crews and PG&E workers fanned out across the town, combing through ashes, looking in burned out cars and checking power lines.

Old Town Plaza, a popular shopping center, was destroyed. A home for disabled people on Ripley Lane was in ruins, save for a fireplace and chimney, and abandoned wheelchairs left behind. Just east of town, the historic Honey Run Covered Bridge — one of the last surviving bridges of its kind — was gone.

“We are used to fires that we can control at breaks or towns. Not this time,” said Oakland Fire Department Battalion Chief Robert Lipp, who is part of a task force that helps fight fires around the state. “Usually, the towns remain, and that is where people turn for refuge and mental recovery. Where do they go when even the city and services and meeting places are gone?”

Brad Weldon, who had his ailing blind 90-year-old mother at his home, decided to stay in Paradise and battle the flames licking at his home himself with a garden hose.

“It was like fighting an elephant with a piece of spaghetti,” Weldon said.

His home survived. But on Saturday, Weldon — searching for gas to run his generator — was warned by law enforcement he wouldn’t be let back into his neighborhood if he went too far.

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A down power line hangs after burning during the Camp Fire in Paradise, Calif., on Saturday, Nov. 10, 2018. (Randy Vazquez/Bay Area News Group)
In nearby Magalia, Cindy Seeley and about 30 other residents, with their dogs and cats, rushed to safety in the Magalia Pines Baptist Church. Fire resistant and protected by firefighters, the church and its refugees survived while flames burned around it.

“Doors were wide open for anybody and everybody to come,” Seeley said. “Everybody shared. It was a safe haven.”

Not everyone has been so lucky. So far, 6,453 homes have been destroyed and the fire has scorched an area three times the size of San Francisco.

Around 4,050 firefighters and law enforcement from across California and out of state are battling the inferno “all over the perimeter doing different tasks,” said Cal Fire spokesman Kevin Tidwell.

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PARADISE, CALIFORNIA – NOVEMBER 10: Krystin Harvey, left, comforts her daughter Araya Cipollini, 19, as they look at the remains of their property on Grinding Rock Avenue in Paradise, Calif., on Saturday, Nov. 10, 2018. Harvey along with her husband, their three girls, 19, 17, and 16, her cousin and two dogs survived the fatal Camp Fire because they didn’t evacuate. Also they lost their home to the Humboldt Fire in 2008, they said. They evacuated back then but not this time. (Ray Chavez/Bay Area News Group)
Meanwhile, in Southern California, the Woolsey and Hill fires have forced more than 250,000 people in Los Angeles and Ventura counties to flee their homes, destroying Malibu mansions and houses built deep into canyons in the area.

Despite the terror still shaking so many parts of the state, President Trump took to TwitterSaturday morning to blame poor forest management for California’s fires. The comment drew immediate ire, with many on social media pointing out the federal government maintains the vast majority of California forests and arguing that climate change is the real culprit.

“Lives have been lost,” Governor-elect Gavin Newsom responded. “Entire towns have been burned to the ground. Cars abandoned on the side of the road. People are being forced to flee their homes. This is not a time for partisanship. This is a time for coordinating relief and response and lifting those in need up.”

Normal fire season ended 10 days ago. Paradise, CA is basically gone. It is highly probable the fire was started by a PG&E power line going down.



Update: I found a recording of the original call. Gave me fucking goosebumps. Sounds like dispatch called up every engine they had and was very specific about it involving a high tension power lines.
 
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Now where near where it needs to be. They have so much build up from decades of extinguishing any fire that a ton of work needs to be done before they can safely burn. As much as it pains me to not take a dump on California, that isn't really their fault, as that was the policy across the country for a long time, and it was fucking exceptional and is causing a ton of problems today. What is 100% their fault and contributing to the issue is that no one wants to pay for that work to be done, beyond that no own actually wants fires, because California collectively ignored common sense and good reason even to the present day, and put houses in very high risk areas with fire breaks that are no where near adequate. Those mountains need to burn, they are designed by nature to burn, and even with low temp, low brush, controlled fires people's houses are going to go up as well, and then those home owners throw a fit and sue. Even if they don't burn, no one wants to deal with the smoke damage, or their view being "ruined", or paying to put and upkeep ceramic roof tiles, or keeping vegetation away from their house, or any of the other things they should be doing. So they continue to sit there with their thumb up their ass and then when their house burns down they flee to others states to repeat the exact same mistakes they made in California.

And that's why there should be a year-long open hunting season on Californians. They're diseased and we need to keep their numbers down, so they don't spread their filth and destroy the ecosystem, like too many deer.
Similar reasoning is also why California cities are several decades behind every other US city when it comes to public transportation and part of the reasoning as to why California ends up with massive droughts.
 
the environment groups don't want to allow controlled burns to clean out underbrush and the like
Those environmental groups are ignorant as fuck, then. Like @Disgruntled Pupper said, fire is a natural mechanism of forestland that is necessary to keep it healthy and balanced. Trees don't get thinned out, so they compete with each other and are all much weaker overall, certain plants only release seeds in extreme heat conditions, a lot of rare and necessary vegetation is choked out by the thicker shit or can't grow due to the heavy shade from the excessive tree cover.

I know the wildlife refuges in my area do controlled burns, because the idea is to make them as close to unhumanized environments as possible, and chronic fire suppression is about as humanized as you can get.

I'd like to think this may all lead to a change in forestry policy, but I know better. Fire risk isn't even new in Paradise. My family members had been evacuated several times in the past due to nearby wildfires. This is just the first time it actually reached where they lived, and did so in such a destructive way.

Still, kind of fucked for Trump to make a point against the liberal, urban Californians at the expense of people in areas like Paradise, which are much more conservative and filled largely with Trump supporters.
 
I'd like to think this may all lead to a change in forestry policy, but I know better.

You have no idea how badly I want this to happen. Even if nothing changes in California, maybe someone will point to Trump the Forest Service is forced into the same policies for the National Parks and a huge percentage of the National Forests. That was Bill Clinton's major concession to the eco-fucks back in the 90's.
 
Those environmental groups are ignorant as fuck, then. Like @Disgruntled Pupper said, fire is a natural mechanism of forestland that is necessary to keep it healthy and balanced. Trees don't get thinned out, so they compete with each other and are all much weaker overall, certain plants only release seeds in extreme heat conditions, a lot of rare and necessary vegetation is choked out by the thicker shit or can't grow due to the heavy shade from the excessive tree cover.

I know the wildlife refuges in my area do controlled burns, because the idea is to make them as close to unhumanized environments as possible, and chronic fire suppression is about as humanized as you can get.

I'd like to think this may all lead to a change in forestry policy, but I know better. Fire risk isn't even new in Paradise. My family members had been evacuated several times in the past due to nearby wildfires. This is just the first time it actually reached where they lived, and did so in such a destructive way.

Still, kind of fucked for Trump to make a point against the liberal, urban Californians at the expense of people in areas like Paradise, which are much more conservative and filled largely with Trump supporters.
It's the crazy libs that make the no-burn policies.
Something something air quality endangered species NIMBY rules.
 
Even if they don't burn, no one wants to deal with the smoke damage, or their view being "ruined", or paying to put and upkeep ceramic roof tiles, or keeping vegetation away from their house, or any of the other things they should be doing. So they continue to sit there with their thumb up their ass and then when their house burns down they flee to others states to repeat the exact same mistakes they made in California.
We get a lot of those dumbasses around here. Motherfuckers never heard of stand-off and green space. It's worse in the older communities where all those cute spruces/firs/pines they planted 40 years ago are choking each other out and dying. But nobody does anything about it because they don't have the money to call in a tree service. They are waiting for a big windstorm to come through and knock them over so their insurance covers it.

Having property means you have to maintain it you dipshits. If your stupidity causes my house to burn down I swear to fucking God...
 
For anyone who is surprised that a fire ran through a town so quickly. Santa Ana winds blew through California in this week. It's why the fire has gotten so strong and why the Malibu fire has also gotten out of control. 20-30 (up to 60) mph winds in dry heat will do that.
So many fires have gotten big from it. (Edit: if they don't get started from it- the Santa Ana winds make it worse.)
 
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https://www.politico.com/story/2018...licies-for-deadly-california-wildfires-982925

The urban interface is one of the most important parts of forest management. This is where private and/or public forests butt up against any human development. It is where the real damage, both property and human, begins.
I mean he isn't entirely wrong. California's fire management is really bad at keeping fires under control. Even when other states are helping to fight it with them.
 
The Bachelor mansion burned down. That is genuinely making people upset
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Forest fires are getting worse each year, just like hurricanes. Alternating between flooding and drought might be the ultimate result of climate change. The whole food system would have to change.
 
The 90's eco-shit fucked up all kinds of shit. Combined with the Boomer "DON'T RUIN MAH VIEW!" bullshit.

It's not just the Forestry agency, but the BLM too.

Where I live we have purple level air quality for at least a month each summer, and pretty much you know its summer when the smoke rolls in.

This year it rained ash for two weeks straight. It was so smokey for almost a month that visibility was down to less than a city block.

Something has to be done.
 
Ten years ago I went to a water meeting where people were discussing using natural plants made for desert areas instead of using pretty plants that required too much upkeep. That was an idea then.

Barely anyone went with this idea, even though California is a dry area and more like a desert because of the heat and dryness. I wonder if there would be as much of a problem if people at least used natural plants.

As for the air quality it was grey all day the smoke could be seen from the hills. The sun was red at sun down instead of looking like a normal sunset. WTF.
 
The 90's eco-shit fucked up all kinds of shit. Combined with the Boomer "DON'T RUIN MAH VIEW!" bullshit.

It's not just the Forestry agency, but the BLM too.

Where I live we have purple level air quality for at least a month each summer, and pretty much you know its summer when the smoke rolls in.

This year it rained ash for two weeks straight. It was so smokey for almost a month that visibility was down to less than a city block.

Something has to be done.
Several years ago I spent 6 weeks working in the Idaho Falls area. There were several forest fires going and at least 1 fire out in the desert. Visibility was regularly below 1/4 mile. I went camping up around Island Park this summer and all the BLM roads had been built into proper firebreaks. That's progress at least.
 
Something has to be done.
Put the feds in charge like everywhere else. CA isn't unique in having winds and fires, just unique in fire management incompetence.

Florida is on fire all winter every year, but the feds manage to keep it contained - every year, despite the danger of dealing with big fires in cypress groves.
 
I wonder if there would be as much of a problem if people at least used natural plants.
It naturally burns. Let the sagebrush build up enough and it will make for a large hot fire when it eventually goes.

The issue is clearing the land. Either we do it or nature will. The smart way would be periodic controlled burns and timber harvests on public lands and actually having large land owners follow the land management plan they filed and enforcement of state/county/city rules for overgrown shit in town. Every western state has these regs but they are rarely enforced.

Several years ago I spent 6 weeks working in the Idaho Falls area. There were several forest fires going and at least 1 fire out in the desert. Visibility was regularly below 1/4 mile. I went camping up around Island Park this summer and all the BLM roads had been built into proper firebreaks. That's progress at least.
That's usually how it works. It gets blown up and then suddenly nobody has any objections to rebuilding it proper.
 
It naturally burns. Let the sagebrush build up enough and it will make for a large hot fire when it eventually goes.

The issue is clearing the land. Either we do it or nature will. The smart way would be periodic controlled burns and timber harvests on public lands and actually having large land owners follow the land management plan they filed and enforcement of state/county/city rules for overgrown shit in town. Every western state has these regs but they are rarely enforced.

I've been told by locals cheatgrass is a big problem in sagebrush. Adds a lot of fuel load and spends most of year resembling a tinderbox. (Un)ironically the best way to control it is burning.
 
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